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Say what you want about Toyotas, but BOTH of the Toyotas I have owned have been EXTREMELY reliable. About 3 years ago, I traded in my 1997 Toyota Rav4 for a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan which was brand new with 9 miles on it. I'm not very impressed with my minivan with its random issues, but it has ALWAYS got me from A to B without a problem. I'm not thrilled about how poorly it's holding its value, though. It seems rather pathetic that I could buy my minivan now with DVD player and GPS Navigation system, leather seats, ALL the bells and whistles, for like $15k. And it's a 2005 model in 2007.
It was fun to buy new for once but until I completely don't give a shit about money, I think I'll stick to used... certified with warranties, lease returns.
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277562 is a reply to message #277521] |
Mon, 06 August 2007 11:58 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 06 August 2007 19:11 |
Say what you want about Toyotas, but BOTH of the Toyotas I have owned have been EXTREMELY reliable. About 3 years ago, I traded in my 1997 Toyota Rav4 for a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan which was brand new with 9 miles on it. I'm not very impressed with my minivan with its random issues, but it has ALWAYS got me from A to B without a problem. I'm not thrilled about how poorly it's holding its value, though. It seems rather pathetic that I could buy my minivan now with DVD player and GPS Navigation system, leather seats, ALL the bells and whistles, for like $15k. And it's a 2005 model in 2007.
It was fun to buy new for once but until I completely don't give a shit about money, I think I'll stick to used... certified with warranties, lease returns.
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Toyota's keep their value very well here in Europe. They're one of the more reliable brands as well (and not cheap).
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277577 is a reply to message #277521] |
Mon, 06 August 2007 12:29 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 06 August 2007 13:11 |
Say what you want about Toyotas, but BOTH of the Toyotas I have owned have been EXTREMELY reliable. About 3 years ago, I traded in my 1997 Toyota Rav4 for a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan which was brand new with 9 miles on it. I'm not very impressed with my minivan with its random issues, but it has ALWAYS got me from A to B without a problem. I'm not thrilled about how poorly it's holding its value, though. It seems rather pathetic that I could buy my minivan now with DVD player and GPS Navigation system, leather seats, ALL the bells and whistles, for like $15k. And it's a 2005 model in 2007.
It was fun to buy new for once but until I completely don't give a shit about money, I think I'll stick to used... certified with warranties, lease returns.
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I agree with Crimson, toyota's are reliable, previous posting said toyota and japanese cars were unsafe and no better than american made cars, he also stated that toyotas were light cars and break easily, I'd like to state a few things
1. Crimson's statement is correct
2. My uncle's toyota from the 80's is still running for about 20 years now with the same engine with over 300 thousand miles on it (same engine as the car came with) the car has never had any major work done besides a new muffler after being slightly scraped from a sidewalk curb. and the car still runs like new, no rust, no dents.
3. The scion XB made by toyota isnt a light vehicle, infact, it's several hundred pounds heavier than several toyota. If it's unsafe with 6 standard airbags then what is a 2 airbag car?
4. why does consumer report always rate toyota/lexus in the top 3 if they are so "cheap and deteriorate away"
Also, since dodge chrystler and jeep are made by the same company and same production line but just different brands, I'd think they would be cheapo unsafe cars being made in china pretty soon, My father is looking for a new car and looked at some dodge's, even a salesman told us the cars would be made in china in a few months, so we left and didnt bother even looking at chrystler jeep or dodge, the only companies we can trust right now is toyota, mitsubishi, and mazda, and maybe nissan....nissan went from made in japan to made in USA, but their quality is still very high.
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Toyota's keep their value very well here in Europe. They're one of the more reliable brands as well (and not cheap).
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Quality wise toyota is good, price wise i'd say they are cheap, here in ohio, you can buy a yaris for only 10 thousand with auto transmission if your lucky, other wise it will be 11-12 thousand, still very cheap for a small sedan that gets 40+ miles to a gallon of gas. I'd rather buy this than a hybrid just because if it will last for several years, the engine itself it made to run of gasoline, but hybrids run off half gas half battery, I have read online about a few people who when their battery dies, it is very expensive to replace, even though the yaris gets 40mpg unlike hybrids that get 50-60mpg it will probably last longer because it doesnt rely on the battery like hybrids do, those batteries dont last forever.
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277599 is a reply to message #248947] |
Mon, 06 August 2007 14:49 |
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I'll be honest - the Prius is the only Toyota I'd get, but the thing is, it's overpriced by roughly 10,000-9,000 in Canada (price is dropped to 21K in the US this year - stays at 30K in Canada (BASE)).
The Yaris is a piece of shit that has zero comfort appointments, gets well above it's city rating in mixed driving (8.0L in real life mixed driving) - I get 8.5L-8.7L/100KM (36MPG or so - mixed driving, A/C and all) in my Aveo, and Toyota screws you over with option packages.
There was a price difference of about $80 a month between the comparably equipped Yaris and the Aveo, and I'm including the additional warranty I put on my fully (okay, I didn't option the 6 CD changer, but apart from that, I have everything) equipped Aveo (I'm calling it an Aveo, but actually it's a Pontiac Wave, you guys don't get this in the US), it just wasn't worth it.
The only thing I liked about it was its ergono... Wait, the sedan doesn't even have the appointments the hatchback has... God that thing was awful... Oh wait, yeah, I dig the exterior looks a bit, but apart from that nada.
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277783 is a reply to message #248947] |
Tue, 07 August 2007 19:08 |
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It's a common stereotype that "American cars are shit", and "foreign cars are better made". There is some truth in that many American car models are cheap cookie-cutter copies for the masses, and most have a poor track record when it comes to maintenance over time. In my experience most of the big-name foreign cars have well-built engines that last a long time, but the body panels are usually flimsy and easily damaged. American cars seem usually the opposite...strong bulky body panels, crappy engines.
The exceptions to the rule are usually trucks - American trucks seem pretty well made, durable, and retain their value. The other exception is higher-end sports cars like Corvettes and Vipers.
It's also common for American cars to have more "gadgets" and/or "useless features". For example the 2008 Dodge Avenger has a heated and cooled cup holder, as well as a "chill zone" for storing cold drinks...you won't find oddball things like this on a foreign car. It also has a 20GB media center which some other cars have, but not as many features.
When you get down to it, it all depends on what you are shopping for. A cars top speed is worth nothing but bragging rights, unless you drive on the Autobahn. If fuel economy is your thing, you should probably get a hybrid or even a motorcyle.
Personally I prefer styling, gadgets, and 0-to-100mph performance. I don't have hour-long commutes so I would rather my car be fun to drive, rather than needing ability to go 250mph, or last 20 years before it falls apart, or get 100mpg (okay that would be nice but dream on).
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277792 is a reply to message #248947] |
Tue, 07 August 2007 20:21 |
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If you need something just for daily driving, i'd look for anything you know is good and is under 20 thousand dollars, once you go above 20 you'll find more powerful engines and useless junk like you said, a mini fridge, heated seats....heck i have even seen PERSONAL air condition for each passenger in some car a few months ago. Most cars today are becomming equiped standard with gadgets, like most cars today, even the cheap 13-14 thousand dollar cars, they come with power windows, power locks, air conditioning standard, well ok, so these have been "standard" for about 4-5 years now on the cheaper cars, but still, in your opinion Blazer, what car do you want? everyone is throwing out all kinds of makes and models.
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277802 is a reply to message #277577] |
Tue, 07 August 2007 23:23 |
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Quality wise toyota is good, price wise i'd say they are cheap, here in ohio, you can buy a yaris for only 10 thousand with auto transmission if your lucky, other wise it will be 11-12 thousand, still very cheap for a small sedan that gets 40+ miles to a gallon of gas. I'd rather buy this than a hybrid just because if it will last for several years, the engine itself it made to run of gasoline, but hybrids run off half gas half battery, I have read online about a few people who when their battery dies, it is very expensive to replace, even though the yaris gets 40mpg unlike hybrids that get 50-60mpg it will probably last longer because it doesnt rely on the battery like hybrids do, those batteries dont last forever.
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Agreed
I just bought a yaris in ohio for 14k brand new (manual which can be a bitch to find) a few months ago. I'd say thats a great deal for what it gives. It gets me from point A to B without taking practically any gas. And if I feel like it I can still get some speed (enough for me) and so far I'm just in love with it.
So Toyota's all the way!
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277804 is a reply to message #248947] |
Tue, 07 August 2007 23:30 |
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Blazer, if you are still looking, I'd highly suggest a Pontiac GTO, as others have suggested. It is a very nice car, especially with that 6.0L. One of my few beefs with it, is that the 6-speed stick is a bit balky, and isn't as precise as some competitors. The four-speed auto might sound ancient, but it's a great performer, and GM's auto's are reliable as heck. Just watch out for Pontiac's dealers' notorious markup.
As for people who claim that 'Domestic' vehicles are inferior to 'Imports'; while that may have been true in the 70's, and 80's, nowadays, it is just a bad stereotype. My family, have owned Ford's, GM's, Toyota's, and Mercedes' , and the only nightmare of the bunch was the Mercedes. My own GM pickup which is 17 years old, is still ticking, and with proper oil changes, has kept running reliably, with only the radiator needing a replacement. Really, people should buy based on what they like and need, not on where the vehicle is from. Plus, most 'Imports' are made in North America anyway. 
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277855 is a reply to message #248947] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 09:32 |
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It was still true in the 90's and early 00's, to a certain extent, I mean, just look at the earlier Aveo (it's still for sale along with the redesigned sedan, by the way, but I expect it to be replaced sometime this fall (spy shots back that up)), the Montana and crap cars like that.
We have three GM vehicles - a Malibu ('05) (it's not exactly great nor is it as bad as the Montana) but I'm also under the impression they put the SS engine in it by accident, because it does 0 to 60 in fucking 4 seconds or so), the Montana and the redesigned Aveo/Wave (Wave lacks some of the exterior feature the Aveo has, especially in the rear, but has a much sexier dash). The Montana is a rusting shitmobile, airbags aren't always on, and a bunch of things on it broke down not too long ago. Given, it has 160K KM on the counter, but these issues were 'expected'. He uses it like a pickup and we rarely use it to go anywhere unless necessary. His last car was a Jeep Cherokee, he had it for about 16 years, front driver seat couldn't hold itself at all, it was rather hilarious. Point is post-03 GM vehicles are worthy (not the best, but better than the predecessors), turn-around vehicles are even better. I personally can't wait to check-out the 2008 Malibu in person along with the G8, and yes, check-out also involves driving ( http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/g8prototype_002.jpg = G8).
Chrysler... I'd wait two years before buying anything from them, they need to redesign their interiors and improve quality control on the assembly lines.
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277904 is a reply to message #277855] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 14:30 |
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| Aprime wrote on Wed, 08 August 2007 11:32 |
It was still true in the 90's and early 00's, to a certain extent, I mean, just look at the earlier Aveo (it's still for sale along with the redesigned sedan, by the way, but I expect it to be replaced sometime this fall (spy shots back that up)), the Montana and crap cars like that.
We have three GM vehicles - a Malibu ('05) (it's not exactly great nor is it as bad as the Montana) but I'm also under the impression they put the SS engine in it by accident, because it does 0 to 60 in fucking 4 seconds or so), the Montana and the redesigned Aveo/Wave (Wave lacks some of the exterior feature the Aveo has, especially in the rear, but has a much sexier dash). The Montana is a rusting shitmobile, airbags aren't always on, and a bunch of things on it broke down not too long ago. Given, it has 160K KM on the counter, but these issues were 'expected'. He uses it like a pickup and we rarely use it to go anywhere unless necessary. His last car was a Jeep Cherokee, he had it for about 16 years, front driver seat couldn't hold itself at all, it was rather hilarious. Point is post-03 GM vehicles are worthy (not the best, but better than the predecessors), turn-around vehicles are even better. I personally can't wait to check-out the 2008 Malibu in person along with the G8, and yes, check-out also involves driving ( http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/g8prototype_002.jpg = G8).
Chrysler... I'd wait two years before buying anything from them, they need to redesign their interiors and improve quality control on the assembly lines.
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Well, the Aveo is an econobox built by GMDAT in Korea. It's only meant to be cheap transportation, but I agree that the previous model is a piece of crap. Fuel economy wise, it also sucks. I'm surprised about the Malibu, and I doubt that it goes in four seconds, but if it has a GM pushrod V6, then it'll definately give you some fun.
The Montana part made me laugh, because once again, I will agree that those are pretty terrible. But at least you could get the same damn van as a Saturn, a Chevy, or a Buick. Yippee ki yay! /sarcasn
I too am looking forward to the Pontiac G8, but I'm more excited about the other Zeta-based vehicles from 'Down Under' . If it means more V8, RWD muscle, then I'm happy. 
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #277933 is a reply to message #248947] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 15:58 |
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Well, the Uplander and the SV6 weren't that bad.
Concerning our Malibu - yes, it does have a V6, but apparently it does 0-60 in 8 or so seconds, 8.6 if I remember correctly (pretty similar to all the other mid-size sedans available)... But ours (I was able to check a few hours ago) does it in 6.1.
There's something strange about it and I don't know what it is (it can't have the SS' engine because it wasn't even available for the 2005 model year).
(of course I disabled traction control prior to testing and it wasn't even on a flat/straight road).
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| Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #278344 is a reply to message #278093] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 20:47 |
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Also, my car is #3 in the subcompact segment, yays.
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Just my 2 cents but I think your car also looks like shit, so even if it was #1 I would never even consider buying it.
But that is surprising Buick tied Lexus.
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