| smoking ban in uk... [message #260906] |
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talk about it...
personally as a non smoker i dislike the smoke in pubs so will like it, but at the same time i believe that the smoke it part of the uk traditional pub... therefore invading the integrity of our local drinking holes.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260918 is a reply to message #260906] |
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260923 is a reply to message #260906] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 07:39 |
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I'm getting pretty sick of living in a country that won't let me make my own decisions about my body, I am a responsible smoker and can understand that non-smokers don't want to breath my smoke, but pubs should be able to choose to have an indoor smoking area - the ban is fucking ridiculous.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260925 is a reply to message #260906] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 08:03 |
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as long as people arent smoking in my face i really dont care about them smoking near me, then again i am only one in my family who doesnt smoke...
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260931 is a reply to message #260923] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 08:40 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 10:39 |
I'm getting pretty sick of living in a country that won't let me make my own decisions about my body, I am a responsible smoker and can understand that non-smokers don't want to breath my smoke, but pubs should be able to choose to have an indoor smoking area - the ban is fucking ridiculous.
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Exactly.
The establishment should be able to choose whether or not they want to allow smoking in their building. If the building allows for smokers, the non-smokers can either deal with it or fuck off and go to a different, non-smoking establishment. If the establishment doesn't want to allow for smokers, too bad for the smokers, and they can go smoke their cancer sticks somewhere else.
This certainly shouldn't be something the government decides. However, public (government owned) buildings should be smoke-free due to the fact that you can't always avoid going there, and smoking does have a negative impact on those who come into contact with it.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260953 is a reply to message #260931] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 10:26 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 18:40 |
| MexPirate wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 10:39 |
I'm getting pretty sick of living in a country that won't let me make my own decisions about my body, I am a responsible smoker and can understand that non-smokers don't want to breath my smoke, but pubs should be able to choose to have an indoor smoking area - the ban is fucking ridiculous.
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Exactly.
The establishment should be able to choose whether or not they want to allow smoking in their building. If the building allows for smokers, the non-smokers can either deal with it or fuck off and go to a different, non-smoking establishment. If the establishment doesn't want to allow for smokers, too bad for the smokers, and they can go smoke their cancer sticks somewhere else.
This certainly shouldn't be something the government decides. However, public (government owned) buildings should be smoke-free due to the fact that you can't always avoid going there, and smoking does have a negative impact on those who come into contact with it.
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yer but if you allow establishment to choose then they will obviously allow smoking due to loss of revenue if they dont
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260969 is a reply to message #260953] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 11:43 |
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People should just open up new bars+clubs where smoking is prohibited. Surely they'll be highly successful and profitable.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260977 is a reply to message #260923] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 12:07 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 09:39 |
I am a responsible smoker and can understand that non-smokers don't want to breath my smoke, but pubs should be able to choose to have an indoor smoking area - the ban is fucking ridiculous.
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To have an indoor smoking area means that I have to breathe your smoke. Do I piss in your ashtray when I need a piss? After-all I want to share the end product of my beer with you.
However, I do not get the opportunity to decide if I want the end product of your cigarette, do I? But I still have to suffer it or leave and find a non-smoking pub.
The ban works a treat in Scotland, just as it will come 1st July 2007 in England.
Every time I come home from a night out in Scotland i do not have to worry about the smell of smoke on my clothes, which also means that perhaps my lungs will last a little longer.
Pubs were originally opened to serve alcohol and not for smoking, drinking soft drinks, coffee and tea.
At last the Goverment got something right. 
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260982 is a reply to message #260969] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 12:12 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 13:43 |
People should just open up new bars+clubs where smoking is prohibited. Surely they'll be highly successful and profitable.
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What do you not understand, smoking or prohibited?
It was prohibited but thankfully, now its banned. They were always "highly successful and profitable" and will continue to be. Hmmmm! smell the fresh air, but there just will not be smoking.
Why?
Its banned
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #260992 is a reply to message #260906] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 12:26 |
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I don't know if your laws are similar to ours on these subjects, but two things came to mind while I was reading this:
(also, just for the records, I'm a nonsmoker)
(1) It's a health issue. It'd be one thing to prohibit wearing red socks with purple boots (lol?) but I see it as a valid health concern as statistics show 2nd hand smoke is worse for a person than 1st hand. That being said,
(2) If establishments were given the control on who to allow and who to disallow it would be a discrimination issue.
Personally, I feel that if you want to smoke that is your right and I have absolutely no complaints (other than thinking you're not too bright, at least). But it should be done responsibly and under consideration for the health of those around you. This logic extends to businesses who should follow a similar practice. In the United States you aren't allowed to smoke inside public buildings and it some businesses (such as pubs) the county may have further restrictions stating that smokers must be contained in an area at a higher elevation so the smoke doesn't affect those around them. Some counties even go as far as to say you have to have a physical barrier between sections. And I support that.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #261025 is a reply to message #260977] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 14:13 |
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| puddle_splasher wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 15:07 |
| MexPirate wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 09:39 |
I am a responsible smoker and can understand that non-smokers don't want to breath my smoke, but pubs should be able to choose to have an indoor smoking area - the ban is fucking ridiculous.
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To have an indoor smoking area means that I have to breathe your smoke. Do I piss in your ashtray when I need a piss? After-all I want to share the end product of my beer with you.
However, I do not get the opportunity to decide if I want the end product of your cigarette, do I? But I still have to suffer it or leave and find a non-smoking pub.
The ban works a treat in Scotland, just as it will come 1st July 2007 in England.
Every time I come home from a night out in Scotland i do not have to worry about the smell of smoke on my clothes, which also means that perhaps my lungs will last a little longer.
Pubs were originally opened to serve alcohol and not for smoking, drinking soft drinks, coffee and tea.
At last the Goverment got something right.
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My God, you and the people who agree with you are fucking morons.
Do you have to go to the establishment if you don't want to breathe in smoke? NO! It's a fucking personal choice that YOU make to go there. Nobody's forcing you to go to a pub to drink. Nobody's forcing you to go to a restaurant to eat. Therefore, if you're not forced, you make the conscious decision to walk into an establishment with smoking being allowed. If the establishment allows smoking, smokers are given the right to smoke there and can do so as they please.
Just as server owners in Renegade have the right to ban swearing and ban cheaters or allow it, companies should hold the same rights. It's THEIR company. If THEY want to outlaw something, THEY can do so on their own. It's their business, so they should be able to do with it as they please. If government can prevent you from smoking in private businesses, what's to stop them from smoking in your own home? You'll argue that it's in the privacy of your own home, and you own the home... yeah, but don't the business owners... own their businesses? Yeah, I thought so.
If you don't want to deal with the smoking... avoid it. As I said, nobody forces you to go to the pub. That's a personal choice that YOU make. If you run a red light, and someone else hits you, is it the person's fault that they hit you? No, you're the one who made the choice to run the red light, and you suffer the consequence of being hit. It's not their fault you're an idiot.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #261029 is a reply to message #260906] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 14:25 |
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well, J_ball just made my point better than I ever could.
I agree, people shouldn't have to breath in my smoke - this law however is retarded, let me give some examples:
My old workplace was a seven storey building, on each floor there was a room for smokers with extractor fans etc, it didn't cause a problem - with these new laws smokers will all need to spend twice as long to leave the building and stand outside, that's a good image for a company isn't it, having all a load of people standing outside the entrance 
My current work place has a bus shelter outside the back of the building for smokers, the building has three sides and ventilation at the bottom, the new law states that it is only allowed to have 2 sides, so now the company needs to either hack the thing apart or buy a new shelter.
A woman came on the radio the other day explaining that she was HR person at a small business, virtually all the other employees were smokers (imaging your average warehouse-90% of our warehouse workers smoke) this woman was then forced to put signs around the building telling all the employees that they were no longer allowed to smoke and when the completely ignored her she was obliged to force them to put cigarettes out, needless to say she was upset and it exluded her from the other people there.
My local pub is run by a husband and wife that smoke, one end of the pub allows smoking, the other is smoke free and ventilation is in place to prevent smoke travelling down - virtually everyone uses the smoking area and banning it will costs their business and mean that they are not allowed to smoke in their own pub.
I agree that many places should be non-smoking, but a blanket ban ignores individual circumstances and overrides common sense.
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| Re: smoking ban in uk... [message #261030 is a reply to message #261029] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 14:36 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 17:25 |
I agree, people shouldn't have to breath in my smoke
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Yeah, I agree, too. It's not like we're trying to say that people have to breathe in the smoke of others. Nobody should have to suffer because of others. However, when it's clearly a choice made by non-smokers, it's incredibly ridiculous to try and stop the smokers from doing as they please because non-smokers walk into the establishment and expect to be accommodated because they don't smoke. What pompous asses are they. They need to get off of their high horses and realize that if they value their lungs enough, they'll go find an establishment that caters to their non-smoking habits rather than force others to cater to them. Fuck that selfishness.
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