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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251448 is a reply to message #251444] Sat, 24 March 2007 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ralphzehunter wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 14:05

Javaxcx wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 14:25

For someone claiming to be so great, you're pretty piss poor at reading comprehension. This has nothing to do with a pissing contest you mental giant. It has everything to do with the illegitimacy of your arguments.

^ says the guy who doesn't even know the stealth sound we're talking about and hasn't ever heard it. JohnDoe and I have some of the best tanks in Renegade at the moment, so its nothing like we keep losing stealth tanks because we "suck". Like I said, you can hear the stank from one bridge to another on Islands.. I'm guessing you didn't read that part.
Do you have a mental disorder or something? Noone's saying that your hockey theme or whatever is cheating, and I even said that we weren't talking about whatever sounds you guys were talking about.
It does kinda amuse me how pissed off you are getting at the fact you might have to remove one sound from your Renegade data. It might not be an issue with you but it is with people who actually play renegade competitively.


I'm sure his sound isn't nearly as bad as the cheat that we want banned, but his queer anthem won't really blend in with the environment like it's supposed to, either. I'd say it's at the neonglow sniper/stealth/c4 level...the amplified sound on the other hand is an undeniable cheat.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251462 is a reply to message #251444] Sat, 24 March 2007 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, you'll find that our soundfont is anything but a cheat and, ipso facto, we should be allowed to continue using it. You two want a cheat banned, that's fine. Ban the cheater when you see him in your server. If you want to bellyache about 'blending in with the environment' maybe you should go play on a pure server and leave the rest of us alone who don't have our nuts so tightly bound up.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251463 is a reply to message #251447] Sat, 24 March 2007 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ralphzehunter wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 15:11

Deathgod wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 15:07

Ralphzehunter wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 15:05


It does kinda amuse me how pissed off you are getting at the fact you might have to remove one sound from your Renegade data. It might not be an issue with you but it is with people who actually play renegade competitively.


Whenever a small minority decides to make decisions for a group, it is a problem. That is what you are proposing.

That's BHS's problem, not ours. They're the ones who control Renguard, not anyone else. I don't see where you're going with this.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251464 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So I'm guessing you don't happen to be going anywhere with that statement? I don't see why you're arguing with us when you could be arguing with Blazer, the guy who's actually in control of what RG blocks.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251467 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Preventing your vapid stupidity from getting any kind of attention sounds like a pretty good reason for him to post.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251468 is a reply to message #251462] Sat, 24 March 2007 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Javaxcx wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 15:45

Actually, you'll find that our soundfont is anything but a cheat and, ipso facto, we should be allowed to continue using it. You two want a cheat banned, that's fine. Ban the cheater when you see him in your server. If you want to bellyache about 'blending in with the environment' maybe you should go play on a pure server and leave the rest of us alone who don't have our nuts so tightly bound up.


OK now how exactly would you ban the cheater? Ask him for his sound? Roll Eyes

Face it, you don't really have the slightest clue about this stuff, so do us all a favor and let the people who do decide these things. Good luck trying to figure out Renegade in the meantime!


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251469 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 15:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would ban the fag and get a move on with my day. You on the other hand evidently, would happily grill him up a steak and give him a blowjob while you made up your mind.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251470 is a reply to message #251464] Sat, 24 March 2007 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ralphzehunter wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 16:58

So I'm guessing you don't happen to be going anywhere with that statement? I don't see why you're arguing with us when you could be arguing with Blazer, the guy who's actually in control of what RG blocks.


I don't see him in here being a jackass and whining about custom sounds, I see you here. You've also made numerous comments which were short-sighted and ill-conceived, somewhat like you.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251478 is a reply to message #251469] Sat, 24 March 2007 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Javaxcx wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 17:24

I would ban the fag and get a move on with my day. You on the other hand evidently, would happily grill him up a steak and give him a blowjob while you made up your mind.

Try reading his post and you'll understand what he's talking about. How are you supposed to know if someone has the sound or not? How are you supposed to test for it?

I like how the only way that you guys can try to attack my arguments is by ad hominem. Keep up the good work! You're really proving your point there!


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251480 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have already satisfactorily responded to your poorly drawn up conclusions about this topic. They fail to deliver on the grounds that you scrubs have no conception on how these sounds operate; a little tidbit of information you've clearly taken with a grain of salt strangely. Now, it simply empty rhetoric on your part, and witty quibs on our's.

Frankly, the stupidity and slow wittedness of your current thought process leaves little to be desired in an actual gameplay situation. If you don't see an inherent problem with someone say, shooting your stealth tank from accross the map because you suspect they can hear you, I hardly think anything short of direct intervention by StiffyBoot™ is called for. You apparently think otherwise. Thank God you're not on the design team or this game would have already been six feet under. I suggest you stop wearing diapers and grow up, because what you purpose has an adverse effect an law abiding and honest gamers like myself and Deathgod.

Or perhaps you could get off your arse and make your own version of rengaurd and run it on your insignificant servers the way you would like to?



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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251481 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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100% truth right above.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251501 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What disorder do you have again? I already said that this has nothing to do with any of us "losing stealth tanks" because we suck, or even getting shot from far away and suspected someone has the sound effect. You never replied to me besides saying that I was fag and didn't know what I was talking about, yet I'm the one who's actually seen the effects of the sound. :\ I'm not saying anything like the .wav file can change the distance at which the game plays the sound, its just the fact that the default sound can't be heard from that far away normally. But I guess your disorder doesn't let you comprehend any of our posts, as every time you post you're talking about a whole idea and situation than we are. Its pretty funny how you complain about how stupid we are when you can't even comprehend a 2-line response from JohnDoe.

And lol @ SK, gotten over your addiction to cheating yet?


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251504 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As mentioned above, louder sounds do NOT mean you can hearstealth tanks from farther away. There is a set distance or which you can hear stealth tanks, and no matter how loud they are you will not be able to hear them from farther away unless you are also running an objects.ddb modded so that you can hear stankd from a increased distanced. Anyone with half a brain can already hear the default stank sound from within the default distance, so making it louder will not provide a significant distance.

As a mentioned before, I think an appropriate compromised would be to either add sounds puremode and allow for mods to force puremode on specific players, OR to allow server owners to specify which files to block. An outright ban on certain sound files would be unfair to everyone.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251521 is a reply to message #249251] Sat, 24 March 2007 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wmFTGTH-k0
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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251526 is a reply to message #251501] Sun, 25 March 2007 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ralphzehunter wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 21:51

What disorder do you have again? I already said that this has nothing to do with any of us "losing stealth tanks" because we suck, or even getting shot from far away and suspected someone has the sound effect. You never replied to me besides saying that I was fag and didn't know what I was talking about, yet I'm the one who's actually seen the effects of the sound. :\ I'm not saying anything like the .wav file can change the distance at which the game plays the sound, its just the fact that the default sound can't be heard from that far away normally. But I guess your disorder doesn't let you comprehend any of our posts, as every time you post you're talking about a whole idea and situation than we are. Its pretty funny how you complain about how stupid we are when you can't even comprehend a 2-line response from JohnDoe.

And lol @ SK, gotten over your addiction to cheating yet?



I believe you are mistaken friend. I don't care about your lackluster stealth tank "skills" in the slightest. Frankly, I wouldn't go as far as to call them skills in the first place because I haven't seen them firsthand, but better safe then sorry right? I care about my liberty to continue playing this game in the fashion I have been since I adopted my custom peripherals; without the inherent advantage and with some sense of personal preference over the default. Again, thank God you're not in charge of this department and the sane people at the top will not in good conscious adopt such a moronic and frankly, pandering proposal. Keep reaching for that rainbow though, clowns.



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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #251527 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 25 March 2007 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe you should watch the video I posted. :\

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I did, and strangely enough I couldn't give two shits about it. Like I said, if you had a quam about cheating (because my stealth tank sound isn't discernable as such), then ban the fucker you think is cheating and stop trying to influence what goes in my /data folder legitmately. Otherwise, can it queer like I said pages ago.


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So would you say that wasn't a cheat? Yeah, I know your sound isn't like that one, but the way RG works is that you can disallow certain files while allowing "whitelisted" ones to still be used. All you'd have to do is ask Blazer to allow your sound file.
I don't see why you're about to slit wrists over maybe having to get rid of a sound for a video game, but hey, that's just me.


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Because if I chose to change my sound I shouldn't HAVE to go through some kind of censorship dialogue. Why is it so infeasible for you two to just unleash the banhammer on those you suspect of cheating? Curiously enough that mantra worked wonders for my server in the hayday.


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The reason we want the sound disallowed is because some homos will do anything to get an advantage and we like to play clanwars.. Its not like we can just ban them from the clanwars league just for suspecting they have stank sounds. It's already a rule that stank sounds aren't allowed, but there's no way to block it or even know if people have it, except through RG, so that's why we'd like to have them blocked by it.

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Actually, there are tonnes of passive ways of testing whether or not someone has a cheat userside. If you are repeatedly subject to being targetted from unreasonable distances, being shot from unreasonable distances, or otherwise being subject to unreasonable hositility ingame from the same player; you're dealing with a cheater. You don't need to affect MY game in any appreciable way to test whether some fucktard is cheating.

Of course, you could always just take my suggestion from before and program your OWN renguard and run it the way you like.



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Renx wrote on Sat, 24 March 2007 22:54

As mentioned above, louder sounds do NOT mean you can hearstealth tanks from farther away. There is a set distance or which you can hear stealth tanks, and no matter how loud they are you will not be able to hear them from farther away unless you are also running an objects.ddb modded so that you can hear stankd from a increased distanced. Anyone with half a brain can already hear the default stank sound from within the default distance, so making it louder will not provide a significant distance.

As a mentioned before, I think an appropriate compromised would be to either add sounds puremode and allow for mods to force puremode on specific players, OR to allow server owners to specify which files to block. An outright ban on certain sound files would be unfair to everyone.


Hey, that sounds like what I was getting at. Thumbs Up


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Ralphzehunter wrote on Sun, 25 March 2007 02:23

The reason we want the sound disallowed is because some homos will do anything to get an advantage and we like to play clanwars.. Its not like we can just ban them from the clanwars league just for suspecting they have stank sounds. It's already a rule that stank sounds aren't allowed, but there's no way to block it or even know if people have it, except through RG, so that's why we'd like to have them blocked by it.


Why isn't clanwars run in puremode??


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Deathgod wrote on Sun, 25 March 2007 03:07

Ralphzehunter wrote on Sun, 25 March 2007 02:23

The reason we want the sound disallowed is because some homos will do anything to get an advantage and we like to play clanwars.. Its not like we can just ban them from the clanwars league just for suspecting they have stank sounds. It's already a rule that stank sounds aren't allowed, but there's no way to block it or even know if people have it, except through RG, so that's why we'd like to have them blocked by it.


Why isn't clanwars run in puremode??


because renguard obviously doesn't work for everyone.
because puremode blocks things that isn't really advantageous (reticle, etc.)


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Javaxcx wrote on Sun, 25 March 2007 01:28

Actually, there are tonnes of passive ways of testing whether or not someone has a cheat userside. If you are repeatedly subject to being targetted from unreasonable distances, being shot from unreasonable distances, or otherwise being subject to unreasonable hositility ingame from the same player; you're dealing with a cheater. You don't need to affect MY game in any appreciable way to test whether some fucktard is cheating.

Of course, you could always just take my suggestion from before and program your OWN renguard and run it the way you like.


OK I'll try a step for step procedure this time. I'm going out on a limb here, but I have a feeling that even someone that seemingly combines arrogance and ignorance should be able to follow me on this:

1. Do you agree that this: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wmFTGTH-k0) is a cheat?
2. Do you want people to continue being able to use this sound in Renguard protected servers?
3. How are you possibly going to catch someone using it if a) it's not picked up by anti-cheat software and b) it doesn't even increase the range of the sound, thus always leaving open the possibility of fair play?

I think if you dodge these simple and fair questions, your opinion on this matter can be disregarded. Actually, anyone can ask themselves these questions to determine which side of the fence they're on. Having compulsive cheaters like SilentKane agreeing with you should be a subtle hint...


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