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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242474 is a reply to message #242471] Wed, 31 January 2007 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 16:10

k/d is also important, I wouldnt liek to see some1 with 10k points and 1 kill/800 deaths...

Anyway, I think the most important part of all this would be to get it live on xwis fast so everyone who still plays (and maybe isnt on these forums) notices and starts doing something about thier ranks


k/d is irrelevant, people who are prepared to suicide when needed or go out kamikaze style will be more use to the team than some retarded sniper hiding from any hint of danger to protect the all important kd. Points/Base Destruction win games it's as simple as that and people should be playing to win rather than trying to boost personal statistics.


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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242483 is a reply to message #233513] Wed, 31 January 2007 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thats true about the k/d thing, but it still does mean something. Maybe not a whole lot but I usually donate ingame to people who ask or new with a 1/1 or + k/d just so I know im not wasting it. Anyway, in the formula, im thinking they could tone down the k/d% to like 25% of the actual total rank, and this would get players who only play sniping (or do alot of it) also get a decent rank if their good, instead of always being in the bottom Tell Me

Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242498 is a reply to message #233513] Wed, 31 January 2007 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, what's going on with this project?
Has it just been added to the giant pile of stuff for Renegade people say they are going to do, and then don't?
Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242500 is a reply to message #242498] Wed, 31 January 2007 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 17:29

So, what's going on with this project?
Has it just been added to the giant pile of stuff for Renegade people say they are going to do, and then don't?


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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242521 is a reply to message #242498] Wed, 31 January 2007 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 10:29

So, what's going on with this project?
Has it just been added to the giant pile of stuff for Renegade people say they are going to do, and then don't?


No. You guys are hilarious. We work on the ladder and you say "work on RenGuard instead". So we work on RenGuard and now I get this? Come on, people!

Silent Kane is the one who needs to finish the ladder but all of his free time and resources are being spent working on RenGuard 1.04's backend network. We do intend to finish this project and make it live, but RenGuard comes first.

As far as making the ladder a better indicator of skill, such a project is going to be a huge undertaking. I intend to form a team of the most knowledgable members of the community to come up with the ultimate formula, and balance it over time. But, I have to decide whether we're going to get the clan ladder up first or not.


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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242524 is a reply to message #233513] Wed, 31 January 2007 12:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not, the individ ladder should be first priority over clan, mostly because more players play on that ladder vs the clan ladder. This is not to say but the clan ladder on the back burner, just I think most average players would want the indi ladder up first Tell Me

Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242547 is a reply to message #242521] Wed, 31 January 2007 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 13:46


But, I have to decide whether we're going to get the clan ladder up first or not.


So, does this mean that you guys are gonna fix the clan pages on Renegade? That would rock.
Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242560 is a reply to message #242521] Wed, 31 January 2007 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 14:46

Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 10:29

So, what's going on with this project?
Has it just been added to the giant pile of stuff for Renegade people say they are going to do, and then don't?


No. You guys are hilarious. We work on the ladder and you say "work on RenGuard instead". So we work on RenGuard and now I get this? Come on, people!

Silent Kane is the one who needs to finish the ladder but all of his free time and resources are being spent working on RenGuard 1.04's backend network. We do intend to finish this project and make it live, but RenGuard comes first.

As far as making the ladder a better indicator of skill, such a project is going to be a huge undertaking. I intend to form a team of the most knowledgable members of the community to come up with the ultimate formula, and balance it over time. But, I have to decide whether we're going to get the clan ladder up first or not.


I would really like to be a part of that whenever the time comes around for that.
Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242561 is a reply to message #233513] Wed, 31 January 2007 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242563 is a reply to message #233513] Wed, 31 January 2007 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RG > Ladders, we have a working clan ladder and personal ranks mean jack - this community NEEDS the new RG.

Will be nice to see what comes of this after the release of 1.04


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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242575 is a reply to message #242561] Wed, 31 January 2007 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looking forward to it.

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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242722 is a reply to message #233513] Thu, 01 February 2007 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My brother had some better formula ideas for the ladder, let me find them....


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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242732 is a reply to message #242428] Thu, 01 February 2007 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dethdeath wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 05:26

I recently noticed that players which had played a lot of coop/mission maps literally made jumps on the ladder, it's even so bad that one of them managed to get to #1 now, even though he was told yesterday that gaining so much ladder through coop/mission maps is lame. Just shows how determined he was to get to #1, the end justifies the means eh? I just find it to be unfair to the players who play normal games all the time.
The ladder itself might not mean much to most players, but I can imagine it means something to the 5 or so players at the very top. If something were to be done about it, it should be done before the month is over.


I definatly noticed the other day that one player was definatly abusing the way certain servers give out ladder points to reach the #1 spot on the ladder. After checking his games played history it confirmed what I had thought he was doing.

I think what is currently going on is a good case study of what is wrong with the current ladder schema and gives us reason to ensure that people taking such actions should not be rewarded in the future when a new schema is created and properly balanced.
Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242736 is a reply to message #233513] Thu, 01 February 2007 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wanna bet some servers will soon have an auto announcement saying "come play here for loads of ladder points!".

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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242757 is a reply to message #233513] Thu, 01 February 2007 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this was the problem when wilo first started testing these co-op maps, just before the original ladder went down. Unless there is some way to force co-op servers to be non laddered or work out a ladder forumla that won't be affected by their results then the individual ranks will always be screwed.

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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242774 is a reply to message #233513] Thu, 01 February 2007 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can exempt certain host names from counting towards the ladder without much difficulty.

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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242782 is a reply to message #233513] Thu, 01 February 2007 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah but what if suddenly allot more servers get co-op and your away, allot of people will get the advantage..

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If I exempt the server, it becomes retroactive for previous results as well. All that really matters is the end of the month.

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Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242785 is a reply to message #233513] Thu, 01 February 2007 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, ok. But will this only work if you exempt certain host names? Maybe you should block out all servers with the "Co-Op, coop, etc." in the server name.. Or make it read it somehow..

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The names aren't sent to the ladder server.

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I really hope this new rg is almost done. Its really annoying getting banned when I decide to play on Jelly/N00bstories while using rg
Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #242862 is a reply to message #233513] Fri, 02 February 2007 01:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about map names?
Wouldn't it be better to allow only certain map names to count for the ladder?


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Yes, and crimson confirmed it is posisble, so I guess she's working on it. And Im ot sure, but for relatively simple DB queries, you dont need SK do you Crimson? then you could just make a forumula that uses the current info to produce a new style ladder.

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Cpo64 wrote on Fri, 02 February 2007 02:39

What about map names?
Wouldn't it be better to allow only certain map names to count for the ladder?


Ah, I agree, that would be perfect, but it wouldn't necessarily block all mods. Some people like to mod scripts and objects, so original maps can be altered, but they can always block the mission maps.


Re: Coming soon -- I bet you never thought you'd see this [message #253337 is a reply to message #233513] Mon, 09 April 2007 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I have modified the link for a player's name on the online page to go to the beta ladder:

http://www.xwis.info/info/index.php?server=rg

When the beta clan ladder is up, I'll add it in too. Someone lemme know please Blush

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