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People comit the crimes. And I don't care how poor you are, that does not justify any violent crime. Go read the crime statistics for ANY U.S. city and you will find that african american crime statistics are significantly higher.
Very good. Now let's consider why people commit crimes.
Quite a few blacks live in poverty. Poverty equals higher crime rate.
You're right, it can. But something like 95% of the people that have it are african american.
Can you please back that up with something? Sickle cell was linked to African tribes where there were Malaria outbreaks in the past, and has more to do with Malaria than race. I also don't understand how you're using sickle cell to justify your bigotry. How does sickle cell affect negatively and how does it justify bigotry toward a group of people?
Fucking AIDS patients.
Literacy: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=69
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I've proven my facts and shown intelligent discussion. You've only thrown personal opinions into this. So once you can address the issues above, you can talk to me on my level.
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One line out of that post was personal opinion. Nice try though.
Fallacious arguments onward!
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234918 is a reply to message #234123] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 23:26 |
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I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234921 is a reply to message #234123] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 00:02 |
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"Hurr my arguments to support bigotry are obviously flawed so I'm going to resort to personal insults."
Silly veterens these days.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234956 is a reply to message #234596] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 06:28 |
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| puddle_splasher wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 05:06 |
There is no difference in a female anatomy wether she is black, white etc.
Same for men.
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I dunno, I could probably show you some videos which would change your mind on that.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234975 is a reply to message #234918] |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 01:26 |
I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid.
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All you proved was that blacks commit more crimes. You proved no correlation between the race and crime. Like I said, you only looked at one variable. Environment effects the outcome of people GREATLY. If you take a black person from a rich family and a black person from a poor family, they're not each as likely to commit a crime. It's not genetics, it's environment.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235019 is a reply to message #234123] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 12:01 |
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I've lived in situations as a child that most black people don't have to go through anymore. Gunshots flying over my head on my way to school .... intersections where people do not stop .... and trainstations where the train refuses to stop. And I pulled out of that without talking ebonics, wearing clothes that fall past my ass, and thinking I'm a thug that "no one understands". I'm living proof that black people are straight up fucking whiners and will blame anyone but themselves for the problems they have in their life.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235020 is a reply to message #234975] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 12:04 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 09:50 |
| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 01:26 |
I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid.
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All you proved was that blacks commit more crimes. You proved no correlation between the race and crime. Like I said, you only looked at one variable. Environment effects the outcome of people GREATLY. If you take a black person from a rich family and a black person from a poor family, they're not each as likely to commit a crime. It's not genetics, it's environment.
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If the black person comes from a rich family, then their parents were driven, educated, and moral enough to pull their heritage out of a rut and bring their children up properly so that they are less likely to comit the crimes. You can argue that poverty causes crime but when was the last time you saw someone murder someone to feed their family? Or mug someone so they could pay the rent? Crimes (mostly violent crime) are almost always comitted for selfish reasons. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235028 is a reply to message #235020] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 12:21 |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:04 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 09:50 |
| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 01:26 |
I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid.
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All you proved was that blacks commit more crimes. You proved no correlation between the race and crime. Like I said, you only looked at one variable. Environment effects the outcome of people GREATLY. If you take a black person from a rich family and a black person from a poor family, they're not each as likely to commit a crime. It's not genetics, it's environment.
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If the black person comes from a rich family, then their parents were driven, educated, and moral enough to pull their heritage out of a rut and bring their children up properly so that they are less likely to comit the crimes. You can argue that poverty causes crime but when was the last time you saw someone murder someone to feed their family? Or mug someone so they could pay the rent? Crimes (mostly violent crime) are almost always comitted for selfish reasons. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
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That doesn't prove anything you're saying, though. That doesn't prove that blacks are more likely to commit crimes. All you said was that people are selfish and will commit crimes for personal gain. Whites, Asians, Africans, Blacks, etc... all commit the same crimes and for the same reasons.
If you were to takes whites out of their middle class lifestyles and put them into poverty... after a generation or two, you would see the same crime rates in whites as you would blacks.
Or if you trade children. Give white families black babies and give black families white babies, and have each raise the kids as they would their own. You cannot tell me that the black babies would still grow up thugs and the white babies would grow up respectable people. THEREFORE, it's the environment that causes the crime rates to be higher in black communities than in white communities.
Edit: You said that you didn't turn out a criminal, who's to say that others wouldn't? An exception to a rule doesn't discredit the rule.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235029 is a reply to message #234123] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 12:34 |
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Dude, look at the fucking FACTS.
And if you want to say that its part of their environment, then why the hell are they in that environment in the first place? Because they don't have a choice? If they're just as equal ... if they're just as intelligent ... if they're just as crime-prone .... then why are they in the situation that white people are not? I'll tell you why: because most of them don't put the right foot forward and make steps to pull themselves out of that lifestyle. They have the same rights and opportunity (if not more, as proven by the initiation of this thread) yet they find themselves in situations that many white people do not.
It is NOT because of their surroundings. People make up their surroundings through choices and they have had their chances to pull themselves out of their "slavery days". They just continue to pass down their poor work ethic, poor communication skills, illnesses, etc. and make the problem worse. Infecting others as they ignorantly refuse to improve themselves.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235032 is a reply to message #234123] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 12:44 |
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I did look at the facts, and I also realized that they only look at one fucking variable. I don't know how many times I have to say that.
Also, I'm not excusing their lack of ambition. It's entirely their fault, but you want to make it seem like it's hardwired into black people like it's part of their genetics.
It's their environment's fault. There are plenty of black people who realize that living in a shitty house in a shitty community is not what someone should allow themselves to do. There are also a lot of white people who feel that everything should be handed to them, and then they end up in those shitty communities. There's always going to be an exception to a rule. However, the general and OBVIOUS conclusion is that how you're raised is how you're going to view things in life. If you're not taught to live respectably and give others respect, chances are you're going to live like shit and treat others like shit.
A + B = C; A != C; B != C. When there are more than one variables to the problem, you can't just look at one to get the solution.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235039 is a reply to message #234123] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 12:58 |
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Alright, well ... let me put it this way:
I have very strong views about "Survival of the fittest" and I personally feel that all people are not created equally. That's my opinion and I'll leave it at that so the actual topic can move forward.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235048 is a reply to message #234123] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 13:10 |
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Alright, well ... let me put it this way:
Holy shit you're retarded.
| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 |
A.I.D.S. need I say more?
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Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here?
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235057 is a reply to message #235048] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 14:23 |
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:10 |
Alright, well ... let me put it this way:
Holy shit you're retarded.
| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 |
A.I.D.S. need I say more?
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Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here?
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Actually it would be nice if you actually said something other than quoting someone else and giving one line rebutals. Everyone else has written up how they actually feel on the subject. you have yet to actually write anything worth reading about.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235072 is a reply to message #235057] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 17:12 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 16:23 |
| xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:10 |
Alright, well ... let me put it this way:
Holy shit you're retarded.
| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 |
A.I.D.S. need I say more?
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Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here?
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Actually it would be nice if you actually said something other than quoting someone else and giving one line rebutals. Everyone else has written up how they actually feel on the subject. you have yet to actually write anything worth reading about.
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I'm asking him to elaborate on his retarded AIDS comment and already posted my opinions above.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235085 is a reply to message #235072] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 22:19 |
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 18:12 |
| Darkknight wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 16:23 |
| xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:10 |
Alright, well ... let me put it this way:
Holy shit you're retarded.
| fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 |
A.I.D.S. need I say more?
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Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here?
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Actually it would be nice if you actually said something other than quoting someone else and giving one line rebutals. Everyone else has written up how they actually feel on the subject. you have yet to actually write anything worth reading about.
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I'm asking him to elaborate on his retarded AIDS comment and already posted my opinions above.
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ok well maybe it was in a different thread cause it sure isnt in this one. i went back and checked all your posts and their all except for one, one line sentences egging him on. you have yet to actually put together any thoughts on anything. every post of yours is just a one line short sentence to try and piss someone off.
Would be nice to read your thoughts on this whole issue and have it be more than just quoting someone else with one line quips.
Whether you agree or not with what flood says atleast he has the balls to talk about it. Is it possible for you to actually put together a half page or even quarter page thought of your own without quoting someone else on how you feel about this whole topic?
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235111 is a reply to message #235085] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 10:57 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Wed, 20 December 2006 00:19 |
Is it possible for you to actually put together a half page or even quarter page thought of your own without quoting someone else on how you feel about this whole topic?
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Sure. I feel racism is completely archaic and that fl00d3d is trying to back up his blatantly racist comments with fake "facts" that have nothing to do with race.
On the other hand, I feel affirmative action is bullshit and this country has some idea that racism against whites is okay/can't happen.
In a nutshell: Racism is retarded, and fl00d3d or anyone else still needs to show something that's "bad" about another race if they want to justify their actions.
Thought that would be pretty obvious from my previous posts, but oh well.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235183 is a reply to message #234123] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 22:39 |
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lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much.
But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism.
As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235191 is a reply to message #235183] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 23:42 |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 |
lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much.
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Then why do you factor this into your dislike of blacks?
| fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 |
But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism.
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That's really determined by the individual rather than race. That's why your whole argument "against" blacks makes no sense. None of this has anything to do with race and has more to do with that fact that we're all human and all have faults.
| fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 |
As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more.
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Why does it matter what skin color the person who originally had AIDS had? Seriously. If the person who originally contracted AIDS was white would you believe that white people are somehow inferior?
Oh, fun fact, the third known case of HIV was in a Norwegian sailor[x].
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235248 is a reply to message #235183] |
Thu, 21 December 2006 08:12 |
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lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much.
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Then why were you arguing with me and xptek? Also, as xptek said, don't put it in a list of reasons why you dislike blacks if you know it's not because of their skin color...
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But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism.
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Umm... we're all equally human. We all deserve the basic civil rights. Anybody who think that every person is equally strong, equally intelligent is sadly mistaken. However, we are all created the same as humans. Just because someone is is black or white, dumb or smart doesn't make them any more or any less of a human. Note: I'm not saying that you think they're any less human...
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As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more.
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What about the Bubonic Plague? Were white people a disgrace then because of it? Should they have been discriminated against?
How about SARS? How should we view Chinese people?
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235364 is a reply to message #235191] |
Thu, 21 December 2006 23:26 |
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| xptek wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 01:42 |
| fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 |
lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much.
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Then why do you factor this into your dislike of blacks?
Because their ethnicity has been PROVEN to have a higher crime rate, less intelligence, and are a downright NEGATIVE WEIGHT on the shoulders of American society.
| fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 |
But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism.
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That's really determined by the individual rather than race.
Wrong!
That's why your whole argument "against" blacks makes no sense. None of this has anything to do with race and has more to do with that fact that we're all human and all have faults.
And some have more faults than others and are a burden on society.
| fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 |
As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more.
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Why does it matter what skin color the person who originally had AIDS had? Seriously. If the person who originally contracted AIDS was white would you believe that white people are somehow inferior?
Um, because they started the epidemic by having butt seckz with monkeys? Seriously, though -- its a worldwide epidemic that plagues our entire species because of ONE RACE. You cannot compare things like the plague and SARS with it because that is a localized outbreak - not a worldwide epidemic started by a single ethnicity. It is still, to this day, going on as a world wide problem -- and it still, to this day, affects more blacks than all other ethnicities combined.
Oh, fun fact, the third known case of HIV was in a Norwegian sailor[x].
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I'd trust the CDC more than that site. And even if that were true - I feel sorry for the moronic norwegian who fucked a HIV infected negro. What a twit. Good riddance.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #235379 is a reply to message #234123] |
Fri, 22 December 2006 01:08 |
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It would be nice if you could back up some of these "facts" with actual data.
Sigh. 
Edit: Also, do you have some reason you won't trust the British Medic Journal or something?
Edit edit:
Just wanted to comment on a few more things.
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lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much.
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Because their ethnicity has been PROVEN to have a higher crime rate, less intelligence, and are a downright NEGATIVE WEIGHT on the shoulders of American society.
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Which one is it? You seem to be completely contradicting yourself here.
You're saying that ethnicity does not make someone commit a crime yet ethnicity is responsible for high crime rates and is therefore a "negative weight" on American society? That really doesn't make sense.
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its a worldwide epidemic that plagues our entire species because of ONE RACE.
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You do realize this is completely irrelevant when discussing AIDS, right? Every race is affected by AIDS. The same thing would have happened had Europeans first contracted the virus.
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You cannot compare things like the plague and SARS with it because that is a localized outbreak
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Yeah, that seems pretty localized.
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not a worldwide epidemic started by a single ethnicity.
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Widespread illness is generally started by a bacteria/virus. Not an ethnic group.
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