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| RenEvo... [message #21737] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 10:44   |
KIRBY098
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Including yours.
Ack made sure that WW, the mod community, the players, and every forum he could get his hands on knew what he was doing, how he was doing it, when he was going to be done, and was still able to maintain a high level of quality.
He was so loud in his advertisement, that WW made the offer of unfinished maps, because they knew that not only would he finish them, but he would maintain high levels of quality. And he still keeps us regularly updated, with where the maps are, and how to better download them, and where to play them.
I have no idea what you guys are doing right now, what stage you are at, when I could possibly even hope to see it done, and what's in it. It's like the "RENEVO SECRET", and to make matters worse, we have to go to those forums to get these updates when you do talk about them, because they don't get posted where 80 % of these people look. Namely the general forums.
People are lazy, and careless. Which is why you, as a provider of a service, need to make it easy for them. It isn't right, it's just the way it is.
And of course they don't appreciate it. Hell, they don't even appreciate the free servers EA still maintains for our pleasure. They never will.
But then again, you don't Mod for attention and recognition, do you?
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| RenEvo... [message #21738] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 10:52 |
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Dante
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oh, i guess the 15 interviews on various fansites, the 18 hosted chats with over 30 people, the http://www.planetcnc.com support, n00bstories.com support, me posting it all over this forum, me posting it all over my forum, me posting it all over other forums, as well as hosting a the 2nd largest chat room for this community constantly updating them about items involving RenEvo, hosting REOL, BR .Net progressions, Custom Scripts.dll work, new game modes, ModX, RenEvo ladder etc.. didn't get told to anyone?
play basin much?
unfortunately, ack has been the ONLY person to have released a map that is played that is sporting the custom scripts.
BR .Net has a huge user base.
RenEvo ladder never got the attention it deserved, REOL never had users.
now, you ask why we didn't spam the topics? we didn't spam them, we informed key locations in the community (including this location, do a search if you like) and there was little to NO response on 90% of the items we worked extremely hard on, and people supposibly couldn't live without it...
anywayz, thats my rant for the day.
RenEvo
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| RenEvo... [message #21740] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 10:53 |
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StoneRook
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EA -- free servers?
don't see any?
are you talking about WOL?
there are no game servers running any maps by EA.
(that i know off -- have more info?)
and then - when they did have maps running - none were fan made.
ever - in their entire history...
even when Aircraftkiller finished Westwood's Glacier flying map (and did a pretty decent job - in fact - my server was featuring that map BEFORE it was in the patch) - Dev's House wasn't running it. AND that was in the official patch.
Careless? Easy? -- i ran a site that had the list of maps - links to the maps - and a dedicated server that ran the mod maps.
The game also broadcast where the maps were and how to get them.
Still - i go on a server that is running two mod maps. (last weekend)
Fortress and Deth Islands - as soon as the 'canned' WW maps cycled to these two - the players would drop like flies.
Nope - i mod for the fun of it. if some feel that my work is worth it - so be it.
just time to move on - and play the game.
"None shall pass"
RenEvo -- see our forums (www.renevo.com).
There are times when you must run - and times when you must fight - I choose - fight"
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| RenEvo... [message #21742] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 10:58 |
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Dante
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*puts on sunglasses 
"no one can be told exactly what RenEvo is... "
by definition...
RenEvo is the coalition of the Renegade Community members to improve the functionality and quality of the online and offline gameplay of C&C Renegade.
RenEvo
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| RenEvo... [message #21746] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 11:12 |
KIRBY098
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| Dante |
*puts on sunglasses
"no one can be told exactly what RenEvo is... "
by definition...
RenEvo is the coalition of the Renegade Community members to improve the functionality and quality of the online and offline gameplay of C&C Renegade.
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Now if only you could change things like Neo can.
Maybee we could raise informational literacy in this community.
The answer is not having your own site dedication to downloading maps, and it isn't interviews on obscure things that no one has a clue how to do, and can't relate to.
Persistency, consistency, and dedication pay off. But without the proper channels to disseminate, and proliferate the information........
All is lost.
That was why I posted the "Advertise REOL" topic here and on RenEvo.
I didn't see one anywhere, and thought it was important. I still don't see it, unless I know where to look. Nothing keeps it in the forefront of people's minds.
I have the utmost respect for Dante, and what he tried to do. I will miss the game, and the future that could have been.
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| RenEvo... [message #21749] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 11:22 |
KIRBY098
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oh, i guess the 15 interviews on various fansites, the 18 hosted chats with over 30 people, the http://www.planetcnc.com support, n00bstories.com support, me posting it all over this forum, me posting it all over my forum, me posting it all over other forums, as well as hosting a the 2nd largest chat room for this community constantly updating them about items involving RenEvo, hosting REOL, BR .Net progressions, Custom Scripts.dll work, new game modes, ModX, RenEvo ladder etc.. didn't get told to anyone?
play basin much?
unfortunately, ack has been the ONLY person to have released a map that is played that is sporting the custom scripts.
BR .Net has a huge user base.
RenEvo ladder never got the attention it deserved, REOL never had users.
now, you ask why we didn't spam the topics? we didn't spam them, we informed key locations in the community (including this location, do a search if you like) and there was little to NO response on 90% of the items we worked extremely hard on, and people supposibly couldn't live without it...
anywayz, thats my rant for the day.
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Did you ever consider that the sheer amount of things you were working on is what kept people from being able to keep up, and stay interested?
If you had worked one item, advertised it before it came out, then after it came out, people would have a common thing to talk about, and promote in chat. That's why Westwood only released items in patches once in awhile.
You can't work on 15 things at once, and expect anyone to keep track, and then when they never get finished because you are overtasked, they lose hope and interest.
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| RenEvo... [message #21894] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 05:58 |
KIRBY098
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No Carl, it isn't.
Try to keep up here. It's releasing UPDATES piece by piece, so the community can get excited about one thing at a time, and has a chance to debate, debug, and Beta test each item.
If there are 15 new things, all in Beta, that never get released, the community tends to disregard your statements of:
"NEW AND IMPROVED! IT'S THE NEW MARRIED WITH CHILDREN MOD FOR RENEGADE! IT WILL BE RELEASED SOMETIME IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS WHEN I HAVE TIME TO WORK ON IT, MAYBEE"
:rolleyes:
By releasing things in small portions, it gives us measurable things to get excited about, and future items to look forward to, while simultaneously giving you, the modifier the time you need to get real things done and be taken seriously.
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| RenEvo... [message #21898] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 06:11 |
KIRBY098
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*sigh*
Another promise unfulfilled...........
Please delete your idiocy from a serious topic.
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| RenEvo... [message #21900] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 07:06 |
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your wrong. Feel free to remind me of my promise in a week and 3 day's.
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| RenEvo... [message #21915] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 09:52 |
Carl
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so kirby you say br.net hasnt been released?
never seen a custom scripts.dll?
ok.
tell me, what good is the REOL ladder without REOL?
See, when everything you are working on is Integrally linked you CAN'T RELEASE them. You can only release what will stand on its own.
y0
http://www.dead6.net
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| RenEvo... [message #21921] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 10:38 |
KIRBY098
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Then release products that stand on thier own.............
There is no need to overcomplicate things beyond functionability, and deliverability.
Blazeregulator revolutionized hosting.
BR net was a better mousetrap. Blazer didn't hold up releasing the regulator because something better was in planning. He got what worked out there.
The REOL ladder wasn't necessary, it was nice to have. What was needed was a functional replacement for WOL, since there was a high probability that WW was going to shut it down. The ladder could be added after.
Custom scripts DLL I don't know much about. I do know that to play the game, they aren't absolutely necessary.
Release what you have, fix it as it breaks.
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| RenEvo... [message #21954] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 13:17 |
KIRBY098
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Yes, considering 90 % of them are 12 - 16 years old.
Br.net wasn't exactly an easy app to get going without tech support.
This isn't about Renevo releasing bad products. It's about poor marketing of good products.
Ack didn't kill REOL. Lack of interest from ill informed, tech illiterate gamers did.
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| RenEvo... [message #22375] |
Tue, 27 May 2003 13:20 |
Carl
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quit trying to blame people kirby. the only people to blame is everyone. for not hosting/downloading mod maps.
y0
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| RenEvo... [message #22399] |
Tue, 27 May 2003 15:14 |
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General Havoc
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I thought it was "fan maps" before? Nevermind anyway. Depends really because you can't really call a modified version of canyon a "fan map" bacause they didn't make it so it would be a "modified map", which is short for "mod map".
Since April 2002 I have now got 472 mix format maps and 162 pkg format maps, some being my own test things but a lot of them are actual maps, I have nearly every map created that was released I think. Takes up a goof few gigabytes, some of them would have been very good if development had continued on them. Although some of them you can hardly belive were maps such as some terrain with teapots and high polygon spheres on it andsome random DSAPO objects and called a Deathmatch map.
_General Havoc
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| RenEvo... [message #22534] |
Wed, 28 May 2003 09:02 |
Carl
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They're fan levels, not "mod maps."
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hmm... well bunkers is certainly not a fan level. its a mod map. and i also used the term mod map because anything not officially created by the company, and/or released by the company is generally termed a mod, wether that be just a new terrain with original presets, or a different set of presets.
the only real 'fan level' is glacier flying.
-kthnx
y0
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| RenEvo... [message #22535] |
Wed, 28 May 2003 09:29 |
KIRBY098
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| Carl |
quit trying to blame people kirby. the only people to blame is everyone. for not hosting/downloading mod maps.
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I didn't blame anyone in particular, now did I?
Are you feeling guilty, Carl? Your "contributions" haven't exactly been revolutionary to Renegade. You are just the loudest whiner.
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