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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19110] Tue, 06 May 2003 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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they had 2 drop that bomb if they would have made a ground invasion there would have benn just as much death but for americans instead of the japenese so they had 2 make that choice, it was either them or us. and we did expect that 2 win the war becuase we scared the crap out of them by saying we had another bomb ready 2 go but we didnt, so they surrendured

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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19115] Tue, 06 May 2003 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and we did expect that 2 win the war becuase we scared the crap out of them by saying we had another bomb ready 2 go but we didnt, so they surrendured


Excuse me, but we dropped TWO atomic bombs on Japan. One over Hiroshima ("Little Boy" Which was 12.5 kt), and the one over Nagasaki ("Fat Man" Which was 21kt).


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19135] Tue, 06 May 2003 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The last time we used a WMD was to end probably the gretest war we will ever see. That was used against the Epire of Japan. I dobt we will ever see WWIII in our lifetime. Even then WMD's would be our last resort as was with WWII.

bombing Hiroshima was not a "last resort" which is why it remains a contraversial subject to this day. Japan was already near surrendering, not to mention the Red Army was gonna land in Japan a few days later and the US would have been a few months later.



they were so close to giving up we had to drop two of them..


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19384] Thu, 08 May 2003 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hirosima was as military target. It was one huge factory town dedicated to making war material. Same for Nagasaki. These were not innocent little residential targets, they were part of the Japanese war machine.

oh...ok...so how many civilians died because of one factory? Hiroshima was a huge city and I find it hard to justify slaughtering thousands of innocents because of one companies mistakes...if that were the case...how would you feel when your local Ford plant was nuked because they gave materials to Nazi Germany to build tanks during WWII?


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19385] Thu, 08 May 2003 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the0ne]they were so close to giving up we had to drop two of them..

I believe I read somewhere actually that they surrendered after the first...but word took too long to get to America that the second bomb was dropped by then...we needed a longer buffer period...we just got impatient


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19388] Thu, 08 May 2003 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the0ne]they were so close to giving up we had to drop two of them..

I believe I read somewhere actually that they surrendered after the first...but word took too long to get to America that the second bomb was dropped by then...we needed a longer buffer period...we just got impatient



I sincerely doubt that, considering we were monitoring thier communications, and had cracked thier coding before the war ever began.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19392] Thu, 08 May 2003 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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perhaps not...I'm not really sure about that but it seems like I did read it somewhere. Anyways...I just think we should have attacked larger military targets at the least

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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19397] Thu, 08 May 2003 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suspect that they were targeted maily due to the fact that they were producing the parts to make the kamikaze planes, which at the time, were the only real threat to the largest armada ever assembled.

Kamikaze attacks were doing far more damage than the Japanese Navy ever could have incurred, and given the distance to get replacements in, and the impending invasion which would need them, I reason that the targets picked were plane factories, and the technicians used to build them.


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I believe I read somewhere actually that they surrendered after the first...but word took too long to get to America that the second bomb was dropped by then...we needed a longer buffer period...we just got impatient


They didn't even want to surrender after the second, but the emperor decided enough was enough and called for surrender. Part of the military tried to overthrow the emperor to prevent the surrender, but the emperor was able to thwart the coup long enough to address the nation and tell the people to surrender.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19478] Thu, 08 May 2003 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It wasn't that there was a factory in the town, it was that the town istelf was a war factorty, with the overwhelming majortiy of civilians producing vital Japanese war materials.

Also, the inhabitants of the city really wern't civilians, because they were armed by the Japanese government, and prepare to fight to repel an invasion.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19509] Thu, 08 May 2003 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hirosima was as military target. It was one huge factory town dedicated to making war material. Same for Nagasaki. These were not innocent little residential targets, they were part of the Japanese war machine.

oh...ok...so how many civilians died because of one factory? Hiroshima was a huge city and I find it hard to justify slaughtering thousands of innocents because of one companies mistakes...if that were the case...how would you feel when your local Ford plant was nuked because they gave materials to Nazi Germany to build tanks during WWII?


I don't know if this was emphasized enough in the past replies to this thread, but HIROSHIMA WAS MAINLY A DAMN INDUSTRIAL TOWN DEDICATED TO MANUFACTURING WEAPONS AND SUCH FOR JAPAN'S WAR EFFORT. It wasn't just one factory you mentally challenged child.

Ford didn't manufacture tanks for Germany dumbass. And Ford wasn't an entire city who was manufacturing weapons and planes and whatever for our enemy.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19543] Thu, 08 May 2003 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ford supplied parts for German tanks during WWII. A town dedicated to building weapons for Japans war efforts my ass. There were a few factories...the entire city wasn't just one big factory...that's like saying any major city is just a big paintball arena

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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19569] Fri, 09 May 2003 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All of you really need to give supporting documents to backup your claims.

This source lends validity to some claims by both parties.

Do RESEARCH before spouting off people.......


http://www.dannen.com/decision/index.html


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19598] Fri, 09 May 2003 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jimlup/hiroshima.95.html



Interesting reading. Thank you.


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perhaps not...I'm not really sure about that but it seems like I did read it somewhere. Anyways...I just think we should have attacked larger military targets at the least


Japan did not surrender after the first bomb. Japan didn't even belive that one bomb could do that damage.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19701] Fri, 09 May 2003 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately, and save themselves from destruction."

Source: Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: Harry S. Truman, Containing the Public Messages, Speeches and Statements of the President April 12 to December 31, 1945 (Washington D.C.: United States Government Printing Office, 1961) page 212. The full text also was published in the New York Times, August 10, 1945, page 12.


just thought that you all might want to hear the words from the mouth of Truman himself. Truman clearly states Hiroshima as a military base, and I agree with this assesment, as Hiroshima was one of the few remaining armorys for what was left of the Japanese war machine.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19726] Sat, 10 May 2003 02:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Man like 70% of Americans would truly agree with Bush if he said let's invade russia one of the last nuclear powers that can oppose us. Of course he would have to use his nice little propeganda.

You see you Americans need to start disagreeing with your president more. Because beleive it or not your president can act like an idiot.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19749] Sat, 10 May 2003 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You see you Americans need to start disagreeing with your president more. Because beleive it or not your president can act like an idiot.


I'll disagree with Bush if I see reason to, but if he agrees with my point of view why should I? While I'm sure there's some lemmings out there that do whatever the president says (whoever the president is at the time), I'm not one of them. I've believed we needed to overthrow Saddam ever since I started thinking about stuff like that. That was 5 or 6 years ago. Bush did what I wanted him to do, I didn't just sit back and nod my head because he said so.

I really annoys me when I debate the war in Iraq and someone says I'm just blindly following the president. If anything, he's blindly following what I want him to do.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19754] Sat, 10 May 2003 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm with NeoSaber on this one. I am not blindly following the will of any President, but simply looking at their views and statements and deciding if I agree with them. I agree with Truman about the dropping of the bomb, and I agree with Bush about the invasion of Iraq. I do not blindly follow Bush, because I disagree with him on some other points, like his refusal to do anything about the flood of illegal immigrents flooding into the contry and my home state of California.

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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19856] Sun, 11 May 2003 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I live in CALI 2 and i also agree with u, what part do u live in

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I meant the country as a whole. There are many that aren't like what you claim to be.

And I how can you disagree with something he hasn't done? You want him to stop the flood of immigrants as he hasn't. That isn't quite disagreeing.


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #19895] Sun, 11 May 2003 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I disagree with Bush on his decision to not take action, as well as his decision to push an illegal immigrent "amnesty" program that would allow all illegals to apply for and get legal residence. It disturs me that neither side of the ailse seems to care about this.

And afroman, i actually live in the Bay Area, close to SF but thankfully not in that city.


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I disagree with Bush on his decision to not take action, as well as his decision to push an illegal immigrent "amnesty" program that would allow all illegals to apply for and get legal residence. It disturs me that neither side of the ailse seems to care about this.

And afroman, i actually live in the Bay Area, close to SF but thankfully not in that city.


What's the problem, really? You don't think other people not fortunate enough to have been born in America should be able to find a better life?


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AMERICA'S WMD [message #20282] Tue, 13 May 2003 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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No, i think that amnesty encourages immigrents to skip the part where they apply for legal residence, get tested for disease, etc before they are allowed in the country.

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