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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194167 is a reply to message #194036] |
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I 3-way the rejection hotline, then let it talk for me. Some people get the hint and hang up, others get pissed, and others just keep on talking. Either way, I get a laugh out of it, and usually they don't call back.
As for the automated ones, I just hang up. There's no point. You can't insult a machine.
No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have?
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194172 is a reply to message #194167] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 13:05 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 |
I 3-way the rejection hotline, then let it talk for me. Some people get the hint and hang up, others get pissed, and others just keep on talking. Either way, I get a laugh out of it, and usually they don't call back.
As for the automated ones, I just hang up. There's no point. You can't insult a machine.
No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have?
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Oh, give me a fucking break. I really with we all had the luxury of choosing a job that meets your moral standards, but it doesn't work that way. Most of the people I work with are quite honest. They're either highschool students looking for a high paying job with flexible hours (like myself) or older people in debt. Don't pretend we're all a bunch of crooks that took the job just waste five minutes of your time.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194173 is a reply to message #194167] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 13:23 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 |
No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have?
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Yes, they are. German soldiers during WW2 weren't necessarily Nazi. They were controlled and ordered by the Nazi government. You were forced to do what you were told. Most people didn't actually believe in the practices they were being forced into performing. However, the true enemy of WW2 was the Nazi leaders and the SS.
The reputation of telemarketers has no bearing on the job availability. If it's the only job available or the highest paying job, you're going to take it. Anybody with any logic and reasoning would do that. If I was given the chance to be a telemarketer, I would. Making $14/hr to make phone calls and getting rewarded for making a sale; why would someone give up that opportunity just because of the "reputation"? If you would... good luck in the real world with that attitude.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194175 is a reply to message #194173] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 13:51 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 |
No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have?
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Yes, they are. German soldiers during WW2 weren't necessarily Nazi. They were controlled and ordered by the Nazi government. You were forced to do what you were told. Most people didn't actually believe in the practices they were being forced into performing. However, the true enemy of WW2 was the Nazi leaders and the SS.
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Since when does "Just following orders" make you innocent? If you did what they did, you're a bad person, no matter who told you to.
And for the record, it was the SS that operated the camps, not the soldiers.
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 |
The reputation of telemarketers has no bearing on the job availability. If it's the only job available or the highest paying job, you're going to take it. Anybody with any logic and reasoning would do that. If I was given the chance to be a telemarketer, I would. Making $14/hr to make phone calls and getting rewarded for making a sale; why would someone give up that opportunity just because of the "reputation"? If you would... good luck in the real world with that attitude.
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If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it?
I can't sit there and bug people when they quite obviously (I say obviously based on 99% of answers that telemarketers get) don't want whatever garbage it is that they are being peddled. My morals wouldn't let me, because I know I hate being called by people I don't know selling junk I don't want.
Have you noticed NOBODY in this topic as of now has said "I hear them out, and if they're offering something I want, I make a deal."? That's because telemarketers do nothing but bring discomfort to innocent people. If it were otherwise, telemarketers wouldn't have the bad rep they do.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194179 is a reply to message #194172] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 13:56 |
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:05 |
Oh, give me a fucking break. I really with we all had the luxury of choosing a job that meets your moral standards, but it doesn't work that way. Most of the people I work with are quite honest. They're either highschool students looking for a high paying job with flexible hours (like myself) or older people in debt. Don't pretend we're all a bunch of crooks that took the job just waste five minutes of your time.
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You act as if there's some kind of shortage on availible jobs.
If high wages and flexible hours are the only reason you have the job, then you're a terrible person. How can you justify causing others discomfort for "flexible hours"?! If most of the workforce can go to work from 9 to 5, so can you. I'm sure you didn't take the job with the intention of wasting our time, but that's a by-product you should've considered before taking the job.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194186 is a reply to message #194179] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 14:25 |
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You act as if there's some kind of shortage on availible jobs.
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Yeah, there is a shortage of available jobs.
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How can you justify causing others discomfort for "flexible hours"?!
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Two minutes of discomfort? How AWFUL!
Grow a fucking spine, say "Not interested," and get on with your day.
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I'm sure you didn't take the job with the intention of wasting our time, but that's a by-product you should've considered before taking the job.
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You act as if I care about your time. =\
And the whole 'compate telemarketers to Nazis': ...what?
You honestly get THAT worked up over a phone call?
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Have you noticed NOBODY in this topic as of now has said "I hear them out, and if they're offering something I want, I make a deal."? That's because telemarketers do nothing but bring discomfort to innocent people. If it were otherwise, telemarketers wouldn't have the bad rep they do.
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Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194188 is a reply to message #194175] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 14:36 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:51 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 |
No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have?
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Yes, they are. German soldiers during WW2 weren't necessarily Nazi. They were controlled and ordered by the Nazi government. You were forced to do what you were told. Most people didn't actually believe in the practices they were being forced into performing. However, the true enemy of WW2 was the Nazi leaders and the SS.
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Since when does "Just following orders" make you innocent? If you did what they did, you're a bad person, no matter who told you to.
And for the record, it was the SS that operated the camps, not the soldiers.
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 |
The reputation of telemarketers has no bearing on the job availability. If it's the only job available or the highest paying job, you're going to take it. Anybody with any logic and reasoning would do that. If I was given the chance to be a telemarketer, I would. Making $14/hr to make phone calls and getting rewarded for making a sale; why would someone give up that opportunity just because of the "reputation"? If you would... good luck in the real world with that attitude.
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If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it?
I can't sit there and bug people when they quite obviously (I say obviously based on 99% of answers that telemarketers get) don't want whatever garbage it is that they are being peddled. My morals wouldn't let me, because I know I hate being called by people I don't know selling junk I don't want.
Have you noticed NOBODY in this topic as of now has said "I hear them out, and if they're offering something I want, I make a deal."? That's because telemarketers do nothing but bring discomfort to innocent people. If it were otherwise, telemarketers wouldn't have the bad rep they do.
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Let me guess, you're a liberal? (off topic, but I feel that I make an accurate assumption)
If they're being forced to do something against their will... yeah, it does make them innocent. If you're raped, does that not make you innocent? You're being forced to perform a sexual act, yet the victim is still performing the act. Then by your logic, they're not innocent. Now you've just made all rapists wrongfully accused.
Calling people and advertising is an equivelant of killing jews? You're a member of PETA, aren't you?
If telemarketing didn't work, it wouldn't be worth spending the money on it, now would it be? Corporations don't just go, "hey, let's waste millions of dollars on telemarketing just for the Hell of it!" They know that it works. Sure, a majority of people don't buy into the products, but for the percentage that it does work on... they make a profit off of.
Also, if you're going to bitch about telemarketing, then you better bitch about TV commercials, radio commercials, and road bilboards because they do the same thing. If I see a Budweiser TV commercial, I'm not interested in buying Budweiser, but that doesn't mean that it won't work on others.
Also, yeah, there is a shortage of jobs. Unemployment is at 5%, which means that it's NOT at full employment (4% unemployment). If it's not at full employment, it means that there's not enough jobs for there to be full employment. Hence an obvious observation of a shortage of jobs.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194189 is a reply to message #194179] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 14:38 |
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If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it?
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You are taking it out of context.
When you recieve a telemarketing call nobody gets murdered for being in a certain ethnic group or religion. And depending on what is on offer, for example offering cheaper internet access to previous customers of AOL. It's not always a bad thing.
Over here (UK), I'm getting a job in a call centre. Where I will be phoning existing customers of a certain gas company and asking them (not pushing, but at the same time not being too passive) if they would like insurance to cover them if anything is to go wrong with their gas supply (leak, mains burst. etc). You could say we are selling them peace of mind.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194202 is a reply to message #194036] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 15:51 |
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I don't like telemarketing but seriously, you can't compare them to Nazis. That's just insane.
My point is, we've had our number taken of every list we can find and yet some calls still manage to come through on a Sunday night occasionally whilst we're eating. If these people are going out of their way to bug us even though we've asked not to be bugged then they deserve what they get.
Me: Have you got a number I can ring you back on?
Them: Yes it's 0176......
Me: Is that your home number?
Them: I'm sorry I don't want you calling that.
Me: I don't want you calling mine either. *Puts phone down*.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194211 is a reply to message #194179] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 18:05 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:56 |
You act as if there's some kind of shortage on availible jobs.
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Well, up here in Manitoba getting a job even at Mcdonalds or a Dairy Queens is hard. That's how bad it is, and no I'm not incopitent as I'm often seen as the overachiever in the group.
Anyways, what I do to telemarketers is just get my parents to handle it. My mom's pretty nice to them, but depending whether or not my dad has had one too many.... lets just say I'm left feeling sorry for the guy on the other end of the phone. 
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194214 is a reply to message #194036] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 18:17 |
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I used to work at a call center... I got fired because I suck at it. I had a blast working there though, not because of what we were doing there, but because the people I worked with. Didn't matter that age. There were some younger than myself, and those who were well older... Almost like a close group of friends out to just have a good time.
A telemarketer isn't a bad thing. When you say you don't like that they continue after you say, "I'm not interested.", you can't get mad at the caller... They truely are just doing their job. At where I worked you were required to rebuttal at least twice during each and every call they are able to. My wife also worked as one and the same policy applied.
I don't have any problem with listening to what they have to say. You'd be surprised with how nice a person would be after you let them say their thing, and then you nicely said your not interested. Surely there can't be much where you can't spare yourself a few minutes to let this person do their job. You know... The longer their on the phone with you, the better they do their job... They don't mind giving you the whole story about the product they might be selling, just for you to say no. In fact, I loved when I got them type of people. Had some great conversations with some people on the phone that way... Talking to strangers on the phone can be quite fun.
I've had pranks pulled on me also... Know what? Doesn't do anything. When that call is over, you or what you just did is not even a memory... But those calls who actually listened to you or even talked to you (even if they said no) are the ones you remember.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194322 is a reply to message #194186] |
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Yeah, there is a shortage of available jobs.
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Utter and complete Bullshit.
| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Two minutes of discomfort? How AWFUL!
Grow a fucking spine, say "Not interested," and get on with your day.
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It's not even the two minutes. It's more of the "Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my house without permission?"
| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
You act as if I care about your time. =\
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...Which makes you a bad person. I'm sure Nazi's didn't care for the jews much either.
| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
And the whole 'compate telemarketers to Nazis': ...what?
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First example that came to mind, although I can provide others if you'd like.
| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do.
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By "usually around", do you mean "7-8%"?
Even at 20, that's pathetic. 4 out of every 5 people you call want to be left the hell alone. That's less than half of a majority.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194323 is a reply to message #194188] |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 |
Let me guess, you're a liberal? (off topic, but I feel that I make an accurate assumption)
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Define "liberal".
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 |
If they're being forced to do something against their will... yeah, it does make them innocent. If you're raped, does that not make you innocent? You're being forced to perform a sexual act, yet the victim is still performing the act. Then by your logic, they're not innocent. Now you've just made all rapists wrongfully accused.
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That entire paragraph was absolute nonsense. Rapists have a choice, the victem doesn't. Similarly, you, the telemarketer, can quit your job and stop bugging people. The people on the recieving end of the call have no choice. Even if we don't answer, we endure the endless ringing, and then you just call back later that day.
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 |
Calling people and advertising is an equivelant of killing jews? You're a member of PETA, aren't you?
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Are you shitting me? Of course not. PETA sucks. And I never implied that the two were equivelants.
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 |
If telemarketing didn't work, it wouldn't be worth spending the money on it, now would it be? Corporations don't just go, "hey, let's waste millions of dollars on telemarketing just for the Hell of it!" They know that it works. Sure, a majority of people don't buy into the products, but for the percentage that it does work on... they make a profit off of.
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Do spam e-mails work? I doubt it, but people still do it because it's do damn cheap. The companies win because they get a measly "20 or so percent" of the people called, the callers win because they get their measly $14 an hour, but the call-reciever just gets pissed off.
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 |
Also, if you're going to bitch about telemarketing, then you better bitch about TV commercials, radio commercials, and road bilboards because they do the same thing. If I see a Budweiser TV commercial, I'm not interested in buying Budweiser, but that doesn't mean that it won't work on others.
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Oh, but there are ways around those. I have Tivo, and can skip commercials. I listen to internet radio--no commercials. I'm not FORCED to look at road billboards. They're just there if I happen to glance over. If I don't like it, I look away. I can't do that with telemarketers.
| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 |
Also, yeah, there is a shortage of jobs. Unemployment is at 5%, which means that it's NOT at full employment (4% unemployment). If it's not at full employment, it means that there's not enough jobs for there to be full employment. Hence an obvious observation of a shortage of jobs.
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You dumbass. Do you have any grasp of economics? If we were at 0% unemployment, do you know how much inflation there'd be? Your $14 an hour would be worthless. The target unemployment rate is between 4 and 6%, so I'd say there are enough jobs. More than enough, even.
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