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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191759 is a reply to message #191706] |
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| msgtpain wrote on Fri, 03 March 2006 23:57 |
if you disable flash intentionally, then you are the one at fault, not the developer.. You know what it is, you know what you're missing, and you chose that path.
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True, but it gets rid of annoying flash adverts. I have yet to see someone require flash for a navigation system without the whole site being flash-based.
| msgtpain wrote on Fri, 03 March 2006 23:57 |
If you publish the swf and the html file, then copy the basic code from that html file in to your own document, the embed tag ingeniously points you to the cab file on the macromedia server.. so if, as you say, they are dumb enough to not know what flash is, the web page itself will direct them to macromedia's site to install it..
it's not rocket science.
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No its not, but my parents used to have trouble figuring out how to send email. Not everyone is tech-savvy. I expect some will download it then not know what to do with it.
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191765 is a reply to message #191759] |
Fri, 03 March 2006 15:01 |
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If it were a downloaded .exe, I may somewhat agree with you.. But Macromedia has gone to great lengths to ensure that it is a seamless process.. When you don't have flash, and the object tag directs you to Macromedia's site, the page you are greeted with has a simple "install" button on it. in about 30 seconds, you have flash installed.. No running an .exe, no restarting the browser, etc. You're taken to the proper page, you click a most obvious link, and flash now works on your system.
You keep reverting your argument to "your parents e-mail", or some other similar inexperienced person analogy. My mom calls me when she accidentally hides her task bar and thinks windows is broken... But we're not talking about our parents, we're talking about a gaming Web site. Knowing your audience is one of the single most important aspects of how you develop a Web site. If they can't install Flash, I'm sort of left wondering how they're going to play the game.
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191768 is a reply to message #190291] |
Fri, 03 March 2006 15:24 |
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I know of one aspect of web design that is more important then "knowing your audience", and that is to insure compatibility for the widest range of users possible. I see no problem with adding an alternative to the flash menu for when the user doesn't have flash. Also you are correct about Macromedia trying their hardest to make the flash install seamless, but the fact is that there are way too many variables between systems for this to always work. Having flash not display on sites is a common issue, and there are several ways to check if the user has flash installed and if they not just simply replace it with a basic html/css menu. The way of auto installing it does not work with everyone.
So basically it is plain and simple. If you want to have the widest possible user base, then you must insure compatibility with as many users as possible. Having something as important as navigation not compatible with all users is a major mistake in any web design. Then again all the choices are up to the designer, if they don't care then why should we?
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 03 March 2006 16:59 |
You're arguing for having more dumbasses join us? 
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Not everyone is a dumbass by choice. Some just haven't had the opportunity to learn yet.
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191778 is a reply to message #191765] |
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| msgtpain wrote on Fri, 03 March 2006 16:01 |
If they can't install Flash, I'm sort of left wondering how they're going to play the game.
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I think exactly the same. 
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191964 is a reply to message #190291] |
Sun, 05 March 2006 22:30 |
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Would his butler be considered a toy??  Anyways, Batman Begins was a great movie 
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191966 is a reply to message #191904] |
Sun, 05 March 2006 22:39 |
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| Demolition man wrote on Sun, 05 March 2006 08:21 |
Jack bauer > flash
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He was better in the lost boys, and stand by me. Now he is just an old man on another go nowhere, unrealistic show. Just like alias.
As for Batman, it doesnt matter how many toys you have, you cant take anyone and make him into a Batman figure. Keaton was the best.
Blue Flash was better.
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #191968 is a reply to message #190291] |
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Who's blue flash???
"I wumbo, you wumbo, he, she, wombo, wombo, wombo-ing, wobology, the study of wombo, it's first grade SpongeBob" - Patrick Star.
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #192179 is a reply to message #190291] |
Wed, 08 March 2006 07:26 |
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http://www.renegadecommunity.com/ (note that the news were posted to check some stuff.)
Goz, could you modify the code of the news fud page so we see:
the name of the poster, the date, the time and the number of comments and also add a link: "post a comment".(using fud forum so)
Almost done:
To fix:
Tournament/Clan pages with XWIS and not the old WOL stuff.
Fix solo missions pages (must still be added)
Fix Gallery (add each images)
Changes done:
Mails redirect to crimson's mail.
Mod tools download redirect to gmax + the workaround to register.
Changes planned:
Check the fan site section, update the wallpaper gallery as it's ugly and more to come for BHS, Renguard and everything about Renegade.
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To crimson: moderated forum is a bad idea, I think we should do as planetcnc: you send your news by mail and then if it's ok, the news poster will post it. So people can post comments on news and such...
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| Re: Renegade Website [message #192183 is a reply to message #190291] |
Wed, 08 March 2006 08:41 |
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I see that there is some fine tuning I can still do indeed  . Note that if you want to link to a renegadeforums.com subforum, you will need to put the two sites on the same computer.
I'll have a look at it soon  .
Big thanks to Renardin who must have put lots of time in it to make it all work like it used to (all content, ...)!
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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