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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963541] Sun, 23 February 2003 13:51 Go to next message
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I'm thinking the barracks would be the worse loss. Either building is best kept intact, but still.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963540] Sun, 23 February 2003 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My opinion is considering the big picture losing the barraks hurts worse.

The cheapest vehic is still more expensive than the cheapest char. Plus losing hotwire is definatly a bad thing. Another part of the equation is the map setup, base defenses / no base defenses.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963539] Sun, 23 February 2003 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Losing the Barracks is much much worse. Infantry units are always more important with vehicles. Also infantry units give less points if they are hit or they die. Another thing, who do you think would win? 40 player server. GDI has lost their Weapons Factory and Nod still has all of their structures. 20 players on GDI have an assortment of units ranging from hotwires to gunners to Ion Cannon Sydney. Now who would win? 20 hotwires, gunners, and Ion Cannon Sydneys or 8 flame tanks, light tanks, and/or stealth tanks? I would bet on the infantry any day.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963538] Sun, 23 February 2003 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But if there is a bse defense, the WF loos gives the other time a thing of secure, cos If you have
1 APC + 5 (normal) enineers you can easily destry a bulding, but 5 Hotw + no APC ?

Yeah I know, ther are several posybiltys to get into the bases but it is easyser to hold Inftaery (e.g. just ran over them with an buggy) than kill an APC.

But it really depends on the situation and the Map.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963537] Sun, 23 February 2003 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it depends on the map, if playing with base defenses it is bad to lose the wf, if playing without defenses it is bad to lose the barracks
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963536] Sun, 23 February 2003 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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quote:
Originally posted by rjs87:
Losing the Barracks is much much worse. Infantry units are always more important with vehicles. Also infantry units give less points if they are hit or they die. Another thing, who do you think would win? 40 player server. GDI has lost their Weapons Factory and Nod still has all of their structures. 20 players on GDI have an assortment of units ranging from hotwires to gunners to Ion Cannon Sydney. Now who would win? 20 hotwires, gunners, and Ion Cannon Sydneys or 8 flame tanks, light tanks, and/or stealth tanks? I would bet on the infantry any day.

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I would prefer to lose the WF.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963535] Sun, 23 February 2003 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Definitly barracks is the worst to loose. Loosing the barracks means no more mines and whats worst is it then takes 2 engies to destroy a building. We all know how hard it is sometimes to find someone to tag along with you to engie rush.
Speaking of lack of teamwork, I have seen many games Nod has lost because someone nuked the WF first. It seems like as soon as WF goes everyone gets a PIC or Mobius and starts defending. Any unorginized Nod rush of any kind will never make it against a base full of PIC/Mobius's.
So unless you feel you got a well orginized team never ever nuke WF first. That's just my opionin though.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963534] Mon, 24 February 2003 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963533] Tue, 25 February 2003 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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quote:
Originally posted by cheeta31:
it depends on the map, if playing with base defenses it is bad to lose the wf, if playing without defenses it is bad to lose the barracks

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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963532] Tue, 25 February 2003 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Id say the WF is worse to lose if the map has defences, it makes it almost impossible to run into a base and take out a few buildings [Razz]

but a map without defences would suck to lose the Bar. lose that and lose your defensive mines [Frown]
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963531] Wed, 26 February 2003 00:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Indeed, try winning on maps like City when you are Nod without vehicles [Razz]
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #-963530] Thu, 27 February 2003 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Last night I played a game on Mesa. When I joined, the airstrip was down. I was Nod. We were about 3000 points behind (GDI 7500 Nod 4500). Everyone bought LCG, Technicians, and Raveshaws, and we kept pounding GDI's Harvester and every tank they sent to our base for points.

Later they managed to take out our refinery, still, everyone had at least 500 credits for another LCG. This was with about 8 minutes left. In the end, we (Nod) won by simply defending our base, with about 2000 credits more than GDI (GDI 16000 Nod 18000).
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18008] Thu, 01 May 2003 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless you like to point whore and love metal i think bar as said most of the way down is more important to the well being of your base Razz
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18009] Thu, 01 May 2003 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if you kill the wepas firsts its bad for Nod as GDI just buy loads of pics/mobuisses which eats up any attcks made my Nod Shocked
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18071] Thu, 01 May 2003 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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War Fac. Think about it, you can't produce vehicles, so the other team rushes you with flame tanks or mammoths. Who will win? :rolleyes:

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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18077] Thu, 01 May 2003 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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coolmant u arent too bright are u :rolleyes: ? almost everyone above has said that a rush of tanks would quickly be chewed up by pics or ravs, and i agree. Besides, who would rush with mammys and give the enemy all those points...? your best bet on a base defence map when u lose wf or air is to point whore on the other teams rushes and try for a win by points
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18083] Thu, 01 May 2003 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IMO, PP ios the worst thing; without one, you basically can't buy anything and your defenses don't work...

But of the two, I say WF because without it, you have no vehicles, whereas you still have 4 character choices if you lose ref. Besides, with no vehicles, your team will be owned by Snipers.

And yes indeedy, I HAVE single-handedly taken out many a high-price vehicle as a free character.


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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18158] Fri, 02 May 2003 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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coolmant u arent too bright are u :rolleyes: ? almost everyone above has said that a rush of tanks would quickly be chewed up by pics or ravs, and i agree. Besides, who would rush with mammys and give the enemy all those points...? your best bet on a base defence map when u lose wf or air is to point whore on the other teams rushes and try for a win by points


Not too bright? I have been playing this game for as long as its been out, so 2 years (I don't remember.) Anyways, I am smart enought to know that vehicles are what make Renegade the game that it is. So think next time before you post. :rolleyes: Also, why do you think vehicle rushes work in Renegade? I will run you over in my tank if I see you ingame. BTW, how do you expect to attack someone's base if they have base DEFENSES? Do you think that your 1000 point character can take out an AGT or Obolisk? NO WAY. :rolleyes:


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WF is of course far more worse [message #18514] Sun, 04 May 2003 03:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have played Renegade more than a year and it's far more worse when you lose the WF. Especially in maps with base defences. TANKS will give you the power the team need and also the points. Infantry can be easily killed by the advanced tank driver. And tanks are far more difficult to destroy. In maps without base defences the Hand of NOD would be of course a great loss to NOD because of the technicians and the sthblack hands who will place beacons in the GDI base. But in games with base defences you will be doomed if the WF or AS is destroyed.
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18546] Sun, 04 May 2003 07:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would prefer having the barracks. Because infantry are the variety in the game. Infantry can do any role expect charging a base defence. Vehicles are best used against vehicles. The anti-infantry vehicles are weak and would be chewed up by sniphers or a few well place anti-tank shots. Infantry are also needed to hold down the places tanks can't go. Sure the shotgun can shine in the tunnels but it is nothing compared to the tiberium weapons in there. And tanks aren't the ones clearing out bunkers (well maybe an arty shot) you need infantry to get in there and chase the enemy out of fortifications. And where would we be without the hotwire as said above? And who would take out the artillery weapons? 3 MRLS would chew up a tank trying to leave a base. But a snipher in could slip out the tunnels and make those MRLS wonder where their health is going. And where would Nod be without the stealth black hand. He is the one that slips up behind sniphers and into buildings to plant the nuke. Try planting a nuke with a rifle infantry.
How about recon? I am sure it is harder to spy when your in a buggy then when you are hiding with a snipher. And what would you do without your PIC players? Those flame tanks wil BBQ the medium tanks but will have trouble getting that PIC just out of reach on the hill or in the tunnel.

So you see how variety of the barracks outweighs the slugging power of the war factory?


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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18549] Sun, 04 May 2003 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you lose the bar you can actually use it to your advantage. Rush and get a couple of shots in on their 1000 credit characters, and get more points from that then they do when they kill you. And, it is possible to fight tank rushes with engys :twisted:
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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18722] Mon, 05 May 2003 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just dont get squishied by those faster tanks Laughing
What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #18724] Mon, 05 May 2003 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On the whole, I'd rather lose the WF. There's just too much defensive and offensive variety coming out of the barracks, between PICs/Raveshaws and techs/Hotwires (never mind all our personal favorites notwithstanding).

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What's worse? losing barracks or wf? [message #19130] Tue, 06 May 2003 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bar is worse.
having a wep doesn't help repair shit faster.


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i have won many times when losing WF i always snipe the engis that get out of their vehicles 2 repair them in field. Me and a friend once were bh's sniping and they had 2 mammys in the field engis got out 2 repair it 2 head shots and the game was won, they didnt expect 2 mammys commin 4 em, lol

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