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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #187386 is a reply to message #187375] |
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| Scythar wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 14:30 |
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3) Everything could originate from infinite OR finite source, depending on the observer. Like in quantum physics (quantum indeterminacy)
4) Everything originates from BOTH finite AND infinite source.
5) Everything originates from neither finite nor infinite source. Event like this isn't quite possible to imagine with our brain.
6) There could even be other options than just "finite" and "infinite". Again, we cannot understand such a possibility, if there is one.
In my opinion, there's no point trying to "prove" that god exists/doesn't exist. We don't even undestand the basics of the world yet, and each logical explanation one tries to give for either arqument always falls down to:
A: You believe.
B: You don't believe.
And life goes on. Nothing to see here.
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How can there be options beyond:
-Something always existed
-Everything is created by something else
It's a black or white issue. There is no grey area, or extra options. It's a basic, stripped down, fundamental, reality. Forget terms like finite and infinite for the time being, those two ideas are all there is. It's a "yes or no" problem to solve. There isn't a "maybe" to choose.
There's a huge difference between "proving God exists" and proving a specific religion true. "God" isn't religion, God is a basic principle by which all existence functions. It's not about proving a belief, its about the way the universe works. Various religions have their own descriptions of what God might be like, but there isn't much to question as to whether God is real.
| Ae0nflux wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 14:50 |
Finite, infinite, whatever.. lol what happened to good old big bang theory?
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It's filed under "finite creation that requires infinite creator". But "Big Bang" is a lot easier to say. 
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #187409 is a reply to message #187386] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 17:12 |
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| NeoSaber wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 16:02 |
How can there be options beyond:
-Something always existed
-Everything is created by something else
It's a black or white issue. There is no grey area, or extra options. It's a basic, stripped down, fundamental, reality. Forget terms like finite and infinite for the time being, those two ideas are all there is. It's a "yes or no" problem to solve. There isn't a "maybe" to choose.
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Why would there be no other options? Just because we can't understand them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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There's a huge difference between "proving God exists" and proving a specific religion true. "God" isn't religion, God is a basic principle by which all existence functions. It's not about proving a belief, its about the way the universe works. Various religions have their own descriptions of what God might be like, but there isn't much to question as to whether God is real.
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If God is infinite, doesn't it automatically make all religions correct anyway, since it doesn't really matter how and what one believes to: he automatically believes to one area that is bound to be god, since he/it is infinite? I always found that rather intersting...there are many religions which descripe God as omnipresent and omnipotent, and then contradict themselves by saying that believing in anything else than this *thing* that can be anything in the first place, is bad....
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: This will boggle your mind... [message #187415 is a reply to message #187409] |
Fri, 27 January 2006 17:51 |
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| Scythar wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 19:12 |
Why would there be no other options? Just because we can't understand them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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It's simplified to the point that it's one or the other. Something has "always existed", or nothing has "always existed". Even in your "other options" they all included something that always existed, infinity, or didn't include it. Is it there or is it not? Only two potential answers.
Otherwise you'd be saying "There are no absolutes".
| Scythar wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 19:12 |
If God is infinite, doesn't it automatically make all religions correct anyway, since it doesn't really matter how and what one believes to: he automatically believes to one area that is bound to be god, since he/it is infinite? I always found that rather intersting...there are many religions which descripe God as omnipresent and omnipotent, and then contradict themselves by saying that believing in anything else than this *thing* that can be anything in the first place, is bad....
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Assuming a religion believes God is infinite, yes that would probably make the religion somewhat correct. Not necessarily entirely correct, if some of the beliefs contradicted that premise. I doubt any human belief could entirely grasp every detail of God anyway. Even getting away from that, each religion probably sees a little part of the grand whole and understands that piece of the puzzle. Unless someone founded the religion in a deliberate attempt to deceive...
It is an interesting observation on the inability of humans to comprehend the infinite.
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