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SuperFlyingEngi
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| gbull wrote on Fri, 04 November 2005 21:49 |
I had no idea two wrongs make a right.
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I didn't say they did. I was suggesting you should check yourself before you make bold remarks about the correctness of what others say.
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]Also, I don't care how much Michael Moore makes, all I care about is revealing his character for what he truly is: A lier.
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...All you've done in this thread is said that you hate him. Might want to "reveal" a little more than your personal opinions.
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No, I understand the bullshit stance he has on Katrina. It's still just as stupid as what I said.
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No You Do Not.
But what you said was pretty stupid.
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We all should have just voted for Kerry. I'm sure he would have been able to stop Hurricane Katrina.
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No, but he could have organized something called emergency management.
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Then he'd defer to Edwards, who, being the damnable tort lawyer he is, would have called for lawsuits against everybody BUT the ones at fault.
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Have you looked at Edwards' trial record, and decided whether or not his lawsuits were warranted or not?
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178000 is a reply to message #177998] |
Sat, 05 November 2005 12:17 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Sat, 05 November 2005 12:42 |
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No, I understand the bullshit stance he has on Katrina. It's still just as stupid as what I said.
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No You Do Not.
But what you said was pretty stupid.
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No, I understand perfectly well, I just still think he's WAY off base. It's NOT the federal government's job to evacuate areas. It's the local and state government's job. It's not Bush's fault that the governor of Louisiana doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.
As for what he offered to the Army Corps of Engineers, it doesn't matter. The levees should have been built to withstand Cat 5 hurricanes in the first place. They didn't think they needed to be built stronger, and up until this year, they didn't. Nobody predicted the hurricane, so blaming Bush on that is just petty. Though, you can't put it past Moore or other liberals.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178002 is a reply to message #177331] |
Sat, 05 November 2005 12:23 |
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You know, there's this thing called FEMA...
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178104 is a reply to message #177331] |
Sun, 06 November 2005 09:42 |
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Bush appointed Brown to be the head of FEMA even though Brown was dangerously underqualified for the job. The result was a lackluster response from Emergency Management and a natural resentment to the government.
Did Bush cause Katrina? No. But he did choose nepotism over responsible appointments, and it is a legitimate reason to be mad at Bush. If you become President of the United States, you owe it to the nation to appoint qualified people to positions of great responsibility, not (as Bush does all the time) offer positions to friends and firends of friends. It was irresponsible, and there were consequences.
now you can take out your frustration on Michael Moore, who is an easy target, or you can be mature enough to admit the Bush administration acted without the best interest of the American people in appointing Brown to FEMA, and for once (just once perhaps) admit the Bush administration makes mistakes.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178107 is a reply to message #177331] |
Sun, 06 November 2005 10:07 |
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FEMA isn't supposed to be there the moment a hurricane hits, you government dependent moron. They are supposed to come in a few days or even a few weeks after the disaster in order to provide assistance to those who are in need of it. Judging from your response I seriously doubt you've ever lived in the south or have any experience with major storms like hurricanes, so for you to even come in here and complain about hurricane management is like me complaining about you dealing with blizzards and FEMA not helping you in a timely manner. What do I know about blizzards; living in Florida for 20 years? Sure I could make a bullshit opinion, just like you did with hurricane relief, but I'd rather not.
I've been through at least 18 named storms and about eight major hurricanes. I know what it's like to feel terror in your heart when you see the faint Moonlight illuminating the clouds enough to silhouette trees outside your window that are about to break in half. Government wasn't set up to be something you depended on whenever something goes wrong. It was set up to be what set the rules of the nation and what helped out in certain circumstances, lest it grow too large and repeat ye old England's failures in governance.
What I'm basically telling you, since you probably have no idea of what emergency preparedness means (You should have been a Boy Scout so you'd have some personal morality and ability to depend on yourself instead of others in times of emergency), is that you should have stockpiled enough food, water, and other items to last you long enough for assistance to arrive - whether it be charity or local\state government help. You should always depend on yourself first, because only you are responsible for your own safety and health.
EDIT: Instead of telling people to admit that the administration has made mistakes (Which almost all of us here regularly do, if you ever paid any attention at all instead of posting trollish garbage that you think is intellectual), how about you admit that the administration does a lot of things right?
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178139 is a reply to message #178104] |
Sun, 06 November 2005 13:54 |
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| Gizbotvas wrote on Sun, 06 November 2005 11:42 |
now you can take out your frustration on Michael Moore, who is an easy target, or you can be mature enough to admit the Bush administration acted without the best interest of the American people in appointing Brown to FEMA, and for once (just once perhaps) admit the Bush administration makes mistakes.
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What frustration? I'm just laughing at the fact that this fat fuck can make a documentary on a disaster site to blame Bush for not helping out when he isn't helping out, either. The time and energy making his film could have been to help rescue people trapped. If you want to make Bush out to be a bad guy, you better do the same for Mr. Moore. He's just as capable of helping.
Believe me, I don't like everything the Bush administration does, and I've repeatedly said this. I just don't agree with the liberals when they try to blame every little god damn thing on Bush and his administration. I'm sorry, but I don't care to have a huge federal government. In fact, I believe that the government is too big as it is.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178183 is a reply to message #177331] |
Sun, 06 November 2005 18:53 |
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You have the media to thank for that admission. The major faults rested with the city and state officials, yet the media focus only on the President and how the current administration "fumbled the ball."
J_Ball, current Republicans are so weak-spined that they would quit after the Democrats fire back with their usual tactics of class warfare and ethnic pandering (you know, "Republicans hate poor people and blacks!"). Besides, the media would focus on how "great" the city, state, and federal Democrats would be (man-)handling the situation while totally ignoring any charges made by Republicans.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178266 is a reply to message #177331] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 11:23 |
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He doesn't lie, he just covers one side of the story. Something he will be the first to admit and if you ever watched the movie (which I bet half of you haven't) he does admit it. That is why I don't have a problem with him. So long as hes open that he only covers the side of the story he supports then I'm fine with him. It's his movie(s) if he wants it like that then so be it, if you don't like it don't watch it and stfu.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178280 is a reply to message #178166] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 13:09 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Sun, 06 November 2005 17:50 |
Yes, and even though he admitted "fault" (which I still disagree with), the liberals are going to attack him for being aware that he made those mistakes. They're relentless, though, I doubt republicans would be much different if that was a liberal in the spotlight.
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If someone like a president admit a fault, it's only because he can't be president the next time. So he better leave with a good image for the public. And then the next republican will make it...
aaaah politics... Another way of arguing over the net.
(omg I trolled this super topic...)
(PS: don't make fun of fat people! Seriously think about hydra, bigjoe45 and the ack's girlfriend... They are all fat. So watch your words.)
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178281 is a reply to message #178280] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 13:18 |
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| Renardin6 wrote on Mon, 07 November 2005 15:09 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Sun, 06 November 2005 17:50 |
Yes, and even though he admitted "fault" (which I still disagree with), the liberals are going to attack him for being aware that he made those mistakes. They're relentless, though, I doubt republicans would be much different if that was a liberal in the spotlight.
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If someone like a president admit a fault, it's only because he can't be president the next time. So he better leave with a good image for the public. And then the next republican will make it...
aaaah politics... Another way of arguing over the net.
(omg I trolled this super topic...)
(PS: don't make fun of fat people! Seriously think about hydra, bigjoe45 and the ack's girlfriend... They are all fat. So watch your words.)
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Get the fuck out of this thread if you're going to flame people. If you're going to shit on threads, shit on the ones at your website.
I'm really not in the mood for you to spam random shit.
(By the way, your signatures sucks - there is clearly no sign of cookies and it looks like you made it in paint...)
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178282 is a reply to message #177331] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 13:19 |
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If someone like a president admit a fault, it's only because he can't be president the next time. So he better leave with a good image for the public. And then the next republican will make it...
aaaah politics... Another way of arguing over the net.
(omg I trolled this super topic...)
(PS: don't make fun of fat people! Seriously think about hydra, bigjoe45 and the ack's girlfriend... They are all fat. So watch your words.)
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Why are you wasting your time here? Don't you have to completely remake Reborn for the hundredth time because it doesn't have the GDI Shit Shooter?
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178880 is a reply to message #178107] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 21:36 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 06 November 2005 12:07 |
FEMA isn't supposed to be there the moment a hurricane hits, you government dependent moron. They are supposed to come in a few days or even a few weeks after the disaster in order to provide assistance to those who are in need of it
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Actually, you are completely wrong, as usual.
From the FEMA website www.fema.gov:
"The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters."
I lived in Fotr Lauderdale, FL for a few years, and I think your assumptions about what I do and do not know are both presumptuous and factually incorrect.
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.... Sure I could make a bullshit opinion, just like you did with hurricane relief, but I'd rather not.
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As far as I can tell, ACK, you offer no facts, no information rooted in fact, all you seem to offer is bad poetry and bullshit opinions. Ironic you should contribute them too, since you rally so hard against them when other people write.
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how about you admit that the administration does a lot of things right?
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I will admit the administration does a lot right as soon as I believe it to be true. While, instead, I feel the current administration is a quagmire of corruption and incompetence. Of course, that's just my bullshit opinion, but since you don't care about facts, I thought I would offer it instead.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #178883 is a reply to message #178880] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 21:52 |
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| Gizbotvas wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 22:36 |
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 06 November 2005 12:07 |
FEMA isn't supposed to be there the moment a hurricane hits, you government dependent moron. They are supposed to come in a few days or even a few weeks after the disaster in order to provide assistance to those who are in need of it
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Actually, you are completely wrong, as usual.
From the FEMA website www.fema.gov:
"The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters."
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You do know you didn't disprove anything he said. That quote says they are supposed to respond, plan for, and alleviate some of the damages a hurricane causes. No where does that statement say when.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #179050 is a reply to message #178883] |
Sun, 13 November 2005 14:38 |
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| gbull wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 23:52 |
You do know you didn't disprove anything he said. That quote says they are supposed to respond, plan for, and alleviate some of the damages a hurricane causes. No where does that statement say when.
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Really? Because ACK says FEMA doesn't help until days or weeks after a disaster hits, and I qupte their mandate to help plan-for and mitigate against disaster. Which by definition must take place before or during disasters.
Regardless, that this gets far far off topic. Michael Moore is not "lying" about the Bush administration's incompetence handling FEMA, at worst it is an opinion, at best it is an accurate portrayal of an administation placing Dangerously underqualified people like Brown in positions of important governmental responsibility.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #179061 is a reply to message #177331] |
Sun, 13 November 2005 16:59 |
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Yes, really. I have yet to see you show me where they establish the amount of time planning takes.
This also didn't help:
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Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.
The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.
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It's tough to help people who don't want it.
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She rejected the takeover because once the Bush administration controls all Lousiana military, then they control all the cameras, and they would proceed to frame the governor. Whether or not the federal government controls those troops really has nothing to do with how quickly they can respond to an emergency.
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| Re: He's at it again. Stupid fucking douchebag. [message #179302 is a reply to message #177331] |
Tue, 15 November 2005 16:43 |
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So wait a minute...you're mad at the federal government for NOT going in and taking charge, but if they had, you would be pissed because they abused their authority in doing so.
That makes no fucking sense.
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