| Freedom of Speach & The First Amendment. [message #15685] |
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[sg]the0ne
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First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
You say what you want.
I say what I want.
If some famous fuck-head actor (such as Tim Robins(?)) says some gay ass shit about the war, the president or our country guess what I may not ever see one more of that fuck-heads movies ever again. Violation of freedom of speach? --------------NO--------------
So if some stupid fuck actor starts losing jobs because of his anti-thought stance on the war then TOUGH SHIT.
If you have an anti-war stance thats great, your allowed to.
If I happen to call you a socialist communist psuedo-peacenik piece of shit thats great as well, because I'm allowed to.
I use extremes to prove my point. I do not think everyone who is anti-war is a socialist communist pseudo-peacenik piece of shit. But if you do happen to be a socialist communist pseudo-peacenik than I do think you're a piece of shit.
Whats the problem here ?
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| Freedom of Speach & The First Amendment. [message #15760] |
Sun, 20 April 2003 10:25  |
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NeoSaber
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I'd rather be a communist than a Nazi...
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Nazis and Communists aren't exactly opposites. For starters its very misleading to actually refer to a political party as communist. Communism is an economic system, not a political system. The 'communists' in WW2 and beyond are socialists. If you didn't know, the Nazis were socialists too.
Nazis and 'Communists' hate each other because they're both variants of the same philosophy, socialism. They both want to be the sole voice of socialism and so they want to destroy each other.
To say 'I'd rather be a communist then a Nazi' is really saying 'I'd rather be a socialist then a socialist'. How much sense does that make?
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| Freedom of Speach & The First Amendment. [message #15813] |
Sun, 20 April 2003 14:32 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
I'd rather be a communist than a Nazi...That's right...the extremes
democrats = Communists
republicans = Neo-Nazis
you're absolutely right...under the first ammendment...you can call me a communist. But on the reverse side...you could be refered to as a Nazi...and I think people would rather listen to a communist than a nazi
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Sorry to be mean but here it goes:
Read some damn history before you start your blabbing!
Nazism and Communism are not opposites. They are from the from the same source: socialism.
And maybe if you had a brain in your head, you'd realize communism would have led to the death and pain of just as much people that Nazism had. Communism is just as evil as nazism, but it just didn't have a chance to prove it to the world. Ronald Reagan put a stop to communism and rampant 20th-century liberalism (which is a unsatble mixture of socialism and universal progressiveism, BTW).
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Neo-Nazi's are all Republicans...that was the entire point I was trying to make. The worst insult you can come up with is calling someone a communist or a hippy...whereas I could call you a member of the KKKK. The entire point of what I said was to be wary of what you call people...because they can probably call you worse.
I am anti-war. Not anti-military. believe it or not...there is a difference. If I were a religious person...I would be praying for them to come home safe...but since I'm not...I'm just hoping they will.
To me...people on one side or the other of this issue scare me. There is no simple solution...just as there isn't with any difficult subject. There's a reason why there's two sides to the arguement...because it's difficult and neither choice is the right choice
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First, it's the KKK. Just because I'm white, Christian, Republican and I live in the south, that means I'm an EVIL Nazi-KKK member :rolleyes: .
So a decision is never a right one? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. So us going into WWII after Pearl Harbor was not the "right decision"? When Moses smashed that golden idol was that not a "right decision"?
Seriously, get a brain that didn't come from a blue light special.
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| Freedom of Speach & The First Amendment. [message #15875] |
Sun, 20 April 2003 18:52 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
thanks...seriously...no one could prove your ignorance as much as you did.
First off...it's the KKKK...Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
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Proving his ignorance with your ignorance, great strategy! :rolleyes:
They are the "Ku Klux Klan", they have been the "Ku Klux Klan" since they first started after the Civil War, only recently have they begun refering to them selves as the "Knights of the Ku Klux Klan", in addition to just plain "Ku Klux Klan".
Both acronymns are correct, but KKK is much more vastly used.
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| Freedom of Speach & The First Amendment. [message #15935] |
Mon, 21 April 2003 05:25 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
no, it's: Neo-Nazi's = republicans. Just like Communists = Democrats
and how does that make me ignorant? I was correct...wasn't I? I never said he was wrong...I just said that I am also right. Just because KKK is the more popular saying...that doesn't mean KKKK is wrong...and that's all I was saying.
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You first said it was the KKKK.
He then corrected you, saying it was the KKK, not the KKKK
You came back, saying how he's ignorant, and that you were right, it's KKKK.
Ignorance, you failed to look into rather plain 'KKK' was correct also, instead you came back to flame him and say you were right, and he was wrong.
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| Communism and Nazism [message #17386] |
Sun, 27 April 2003 10:53 |
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Ok. Communism and Nazism are not the same thing. They are opposites. Complete opposites. Not in reality they aren't. But on paper they are. Communism is the people own everything. Everyone has an equal share. There is no free enterprise. No one can make lare sums of money. The government controls everything. Under Nazism there is free buisness. People are free to do as the wish. Except with Nazism, the dictator has the power to do whatever he wants. Which means that if he wants control of a buisness, he'll take it and no one will stop him. Communism is radical democratic and Nazism is radical republican. They are opposites but always in the end some mad man on a power trip ruins both for the entire country.
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| Re: Communism and Nazism [message #17392] |
Sun, 27 April 2003 12:24 |
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NeoSaber
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Ok. Communism and Nazism are not the same thing. They are opposites. Complete opposites.
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They are not opposites. They are varities of socialism. In communism all citizens and businesses are controlled by the government. In Nazism businesses are allowed to be owned by ordinary citizens because the citizens are already controlled by the government. So basically, Communism is Nazism taken even further.
Look at the names of the Nazi's and the Soviet Union. Nazi is short for National Socialist, the Soviet Union's full name is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Their own names give away what they really are.
Here are some exact opposites:
Socialism: People serve the state.
Democracy: State serves the people.
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| Re: Communism and Nazism [message #17518] |
Mon, 28 April 2003 09:52 |
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Yet what is the state? And interesting question. One that can easily topple your statement.
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Don't be an ass. State means government.
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I could argue that the socailist government serves the people by ensuring that the people are made equal.
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Don't make me laugh. Sure people are equal in socialism, equally enslaved by the government. It hardly serves the people to be slaves to the person in power.
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| Re: Communism and Nazism [message #17577] |
Mon, 28 April 2003 14:56 |
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NeoSaber
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| Commando no. 448 |
State does not automatically mean government. Even in that context. The United Governments sounds more like an alliance of nations then one nation. Yet using it in the manner I suggested sounds much more correct.
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The word state does have several meanings, based off the context of its use. In science, state means form, but this is a political forum. In politics, state means government. Your use of the term United Governments is actually somewhat correct. Each state in the US has its own authority, its own government. All the states then unite to form a national government that has some authority over all states. So the US really is one country consisting of many countries. Kind of bizarre to think about. Shows why the debate of State authority vs Federal authority has gone on for so long.
The United States of America can be referred to as the United Governments of America or even the United Nations of America. All three mean the same thing in principle. The founding fathers just chose to go with United States.
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