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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159581 is a reply to message #159578] |
Mon, 13 June 2005 06:36   |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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It would be better if destroying species through habitat destruction and overhunting were more comperable to choosing the right to not have children.
Abortion will never lead to the extinction of the human race, FYI.
But I guess that's just me.
By the way, ACK, have you found any reason at all yet to believe that the Clintonites trashed the White House right before they left it to Bush Jr.?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159643 is a reply to message #159636] |
Mon, 13 June 2005 13:52 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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| warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:18 |
Missed the point. The comic is dependant on what is defined by "life". If something is still undeveloped as is the egg in the comic, and is not deemed to be human/animal/living/whatever, then it should be fine to eat the egg. If it is not, becaus ethe animal wil eventually develop into the animal (as the character suggests), then the same wrong can be placed with human embryos as well.
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Well, that's what the comic is trying to say, but not what the real issue is. Environmentalists who protect species aren't interested in the moral issues of eating a developing embryo. It's about letting eggs develop to replenish the species. Which is not the issue of abortionists.
Additionally, ACK, how do you know tree hugger pinko commies don't support pro-Life positions? Maybe they're a sect of liberalism that does endorse anti-abortion. Because such a thing does exist. Maybe you're generalizing a bit too much. Because you are.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159658 is a reply to message #159643] |
Mon, 13 June 2005 14:25 |
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warranto
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:52 |
| warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:18 |
Missed the point. The comic is dependant on what is defined by "life". If something is still undeveloped as is the egg in the comic, and is not deemed to be human/animal/living/whatever, then it should be fine to eat the egg. If it is not, becaus ethe animal wil eventually develop into the animal (as the character suggests), then the same wrong can be placed with human embryos as well.
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Well, that's what the comic is trying to say, but not what the real issue is. Environmentalists who protect species aren't interested in the moral issues of eating a developing embryo. It's about letting eggs develop to replenish the species. Which is not the issue of abortionists.
Additionally, ACK, how do you know tree hugger pinko commies don't support pro-Life positions? Maybe they're a sect of liberalism that does endorse anti-abortion. Because such a thing does exist. Maybe you're generalizing a bit too much. Because you are.
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This has nothing to do with enviromentalists. It brings up the idea about "when life begins". Those eggs have the potential to become life (in this case, replenishing a near-extinct species), so the same could be said about any embryos, human or animal, endangered or not.
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159661 is a reply to message #159658] |
Mon, 13 June 2005 14:34 |
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| warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:25 |
| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:52 |
| warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:18 |
Missed the point. The comic is dependant on what is defined by "life". If something is still undeveloped as is the egg in the comic, and is not deemed to be human/animal/living/whatever, then it should be fine to eat the egg. If it is not, becaus ethe animal wil eventually develop into the animal (as the character suggests), then the same wrong can be placed with human embryos as well.
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Well, that's what the comic is trying to say, but not what the real issue is. Environmentalists who protect species aren't interested in the moral issues of eating a developing embryo. It's about letting eggs develop to replenish the species. Which is not the issue of abortionists.
Additionally, ACK, how do you know tree hugger pinko commies don't support pro-Life positions? Maybe they're a sect of liberalism that does endorse anti-abortion. Because such a thing does exist. Maybe you're generalizing a bit too much. Because you are.
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This has nothing to do with enviromentalists. It brings up the idea about "when life begins". Those eggs have the potential to become life (in this case, replenishing a near-extinct species), so the same could be said about any embryos, human or animal, endangered or not.
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LMAO,Proving somebody wrong again.
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159757 is a reply to message #159658] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 00:43 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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| warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 17:25 |
| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:52 |
| warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:18 |
Missed the point. The comic is dependant on what is defined by "life". If something is still undeveloped as is the egg in the comic, and is not deemed to be human/animal/living/whatever, then it should be fine to eat the egg. If it is not, becaus ethe animal wil eventually develop into the animal (as the character suggests), then the same wrong can be placed with human embryos as well.
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Well, that's what the comic is trying to say, but not what the real issue is. Environmentalists who protect species aren't interested in the moral issues of eating a developing embryo. It's about letting eggs develop to replenish the species. Which is not the issue of abortionists.
Additionally, ACK, how do you know tree hugger pinko commies don't support pro-Life positions? Maybe they're a sect of liberalism that does endorse anti-abortion. Because such a thing does exist. Maybe you're generalizing a bit too much. Because you are.
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This has nothing to do with enviromentalists. It brings up the idea about "when life begins". Those eggs have the potential to become life (in this case, replenishing a near-extinct species), so the same could be said about any embryos, human or animal, endangered or not.
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When I said environmentalists, I meant species protecting people. And the cartoon wants to bring up the idea, but, as mrpirate says it, the two are "incongrous". Species aren't under ther endangered list because there are more ethical reasons against eating them rather than other animals. It's so the species can be rehabilitated from Republican hunters killing animals to the point of extinction. It's not an issue of when life begins there.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159782 is a reply to message #159620] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 06:53 |
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| kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 14:34 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 11:04 |
You liberals sicken me.
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 This guy anti-liberal terrorist
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And your an enemy of America. Your fighting against your President in a time of War. If J_Ball is an terrorist because he hates liberal ideas that are leading to the downfall of America then your a murderer for supporting liberal causes that spread propaganda and get our Soilders killed. Die.
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159787 is a reply to message #159757] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 07:09 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 03:43 |
When I said environmentalists, I meant species protecting people. And the cartoon wants to bring up the idea, but, as mrpirate says it, the two are "incongrous". Species aren't under ther endangered list because there are more ethical reasons against eating them rather than other animals. It's so the species can be rehabilitated from Republican hunters killing animals to the point of extinction. It's not an issue of when life begins there.
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It's funny to watch you try to back up this bullshit argument even when it's been brutalized by Warranto.
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159788 is a reply to message #159541] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 07:13 |
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Jecht
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It's not an issue of when life begins there.
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Yes, yes I'm afraid it is. Its a "Political" cartoon, not an environmentalist cartoon. That means Its trying to spread a "Political" message. The cartoon goes on to say that the eggs are just an undeveloped clump of cells that don't breate, fly, or experience pain. This is what Pro-choice believers think is true of an Embryo. Stop trying to talk around the message intended please, its really pathetic.
Btw, in case you don't know, being a Republican and Being a Poacher are two different things. 
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159791 is a reply to message #159782] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 08:11 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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| cowmisfit wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 09:53 |
And your an enemy of America. Your fighting against your President in a time of War. If J_Ball is an terrorist because he hates liberal ideas that are leading to the downfall of America then your a murderer for supporting liberal causes that spread propaganda and get our Soilders killed. Die.
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Your avatar makes you look a lot smarter than you actually are.
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Yes, yes I'm afraid it is. Its a "Political" cartoon, not an environmentalist cartoon. That means Its trying to spread a "Political" message. The cartoon goes on to say that the eggs are just an undeveloped clump of cells that don't breate, fly, or experience pain. This is what Pro-choice believers think is true of an Embryo. Stop trying to talk around the message intended please, its really pathetic.
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I believe eggs are an undeveloped clumo of cells that don't carry out real functions of organisms until right before egress from the egg. I'm quite pro-egg eating, since I don't believe it is murder. Neither do I believe abortions before a certain point are murder, either. But that's not the issue of species protection. I'm not trying to avoid the message, I'm trying to say, straight up, that the message is wrong.
EDIT: Errors with quotation system.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Re: Quite possibly the best political cartoon ever. [message #159812 is a reply to message #159541] |
Tue, 14 June 2005 11:35 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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But wouldn't you agree that the destruction of entire species and the destruction of underdeveloped fetuses created by the person who chooses to not have a child are different things?
By the way, in case you all don't know my stance on abortion, it is this:
I believe abortions should be legal because in some cases children have no place growing up and would be deeply underpriveleged throughout their whole lives. I also believe abortions should be sparsely used, and as a last resort to failed contraception.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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