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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154219] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 18:20   |
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okkkieeeeee... y not take a break and continue with the praising/criticizing when the updated interior comes out........?
it is impossible to have abortion before being pregnant...
u guys wanna argue about the how the final product is gonna suck.. then argue "when" the final product is out.. not when it is WIP.......
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154222] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 18:40 |
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okkkieeeeee... y not take a break and continue with the praising/criticizing when the updated interior comes out........?
it is impossible to have abortion before being pregnant...
u guys wanna argue about the how the final product is gonna suck.. then argue "when" the final product is out.. not when it is WIP.......
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154224] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 18:42 |
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I tried to know why ack hates reborn so bad. So I post the chat here.
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Renardin (03:18 AM) :
time to talk a little.
Renardin (03:18 AM) :
I will stay polite toward you
aircraftkiller (03:18 AM) :
No, I have work to do and I'm about to go take a shower
Renardin (03:18 AM) :
Promised. if you agree to do it later.
aircraftkiller (03:18 AM) :
You've done this before, and you know my opinion on Reborn isn't going to change until you make it not suck anymore. It hasn't yet so just deal with it until you figure out how to make it better
Renardin (03:19 AM) :
let's talk about it then as adults.
Renardin (03:19 AM) :
later then I hope.
aircraftkiller (03:19 AM) :
I already have. I've given you enough information to make it stop sucking and you either ignore it or pretend nothing is wrong. There's nothing to discuss until you change what it is that makes it bad.
Renardin (03:20 AM) :
You told me ; buildings sux. We are changing it
aircraftkiller (03:20 AM) :
No, the entire system sucks
Renardin (03:20 AM) :
you told me textures look like plastic, I improved my 'metals'
aircraftkiller (03:20 AM) :
You have too many soldiers, you're not keeping it the way TS was, and it doesn't even resemble TS anymore.
Renardin (03:20 AM) :
explain me more about the entire system then.
aircraftkiller (03:21 AM) :
And add that to the fact that you haven't finished it after over a year
Renardin (03:21 AM) :
Well, it's based on TS, not TS, I already explained this
Renardin (03:21 AM) :
one year to do all that with university to manage like the others isn't bad.
aircraftkiller (03:21 AM) :
Then make it "not" based on TS and make it play, look, and feel like it. Otherwise it's just going to suck like every other "mod" out there that thinks they know more about Westwood's games than the designers did
Renardin (03:22 AM) :
Well that's not what we aim. We are creating a fps. The rts for tib sun already exists.
Renardin (03:23 AM) :
Eric gooch talked me the other day, He thinks we create nice stuff.
aircraftkiller (03:23 AM) :
So?
aircraftkiller (03:23 AM) :
Eric says that to everyone, if he said "you suck" his employers would probably get pissed off at him.
aircraftkiller (03:24 AM) :
You don't HAVE to rape C&C to transfer the damages and look of Tiberian Sun to a FPS setting
Renardin (03:24 AM) :
the point I want to explain with my bad english : We try to make a good fps. We realize that making Reborn as TS doesn't fit a fps game. we have to change some stuff and add more infantry. We are fans of renegade in a first time. Renegade wasn't TD and was great.
aircraftkiller (03:25 AM) :
There is nothing preventing you from making it play like TS. You haven't even TRIED to see how it works, only choosing to say that it would never work. If you were a scientist you would be laughed out of your profession because you have to experiment with something in order to find out if it would work or not. This is why so many "mods" fail, and why I'm sick of most of them. They think being original means tearing apart the game they're basing it off, and originality has nothing to do with that becuase everyone else and their dog thinks it's more fun to add stupid units to a game
aircraftkiller (03:25 AM) :
Renegade was shit.
aircraftkiller (03:25 AM) :
That's why it's a dead game.
Renardin (03:26 AM) :
The first reborn (full of bugs and I never worked on it ) was more true to TS about infantry.
Renardin (03:26 AM) :
and it was boring as hell
aircraftkiller (03:26 AM) :
Not the damages.
aircraftkiller (03:26 AM) :
It doesn't matter if it has only 8 soldiers. What matters is how they interact with the world
aircraftkiller (03:26 AM) :
Team Fortress had only like five characters but it was still immensely fun.
Renardin (03:27 AM) :
yeah, but I think we can have fun with all our characters.
aircraftkiller (03:27 AM) :
If you kept the TS damages and appearances, you wouldn't have to spend months balancing shit out, it was already balanced in the game and Renegade is already built for RTS damage input
Renardin (03:28 AM) :
The rts balance doesn't fit a fps balance. Who would like to be infantry if they can be owned by a tank in a sec. I mean in TS, you could kill like 100 soldiers with a simple devil's tongue, that doesn't fit to a fps... don't tell me it does...:S
aircraftkiller (03:29 AM) :
You just don't understand how it works at all, I give up.
aircraftkiller (03:29 AM) :
Back to bashing for fun
Renardin (03:29 AM) :
aircraftkiller (03:30 AM) :
I'll make one last attempt at beating this into your head
aircraftkiller (03:30 AM) :
If you're a soldier, vehicles are supposed to kill you easily. The worst part of Renegade was that it took way too much effort to destroy a lone soldier because of how easy it was to evade vehicles.
aircraftkiller (03:30 AM) :
If you don't want to get run over, make levels where you can hide and evade vehicles in natural cover. This means trees, plants, bushes, rocks, and mountains. Not that stupid "tunnel" shit
Renardin (03:31 AM) :
then what's the problem with more infantry ? we haven't finished our levels, some are still under work. We wait the buildings.
aircraftkiller (03:31 AM) :
I know for a fact that most players like to be sneaky instead of be forced to either run into a hallway, or run into flat terrain with no cover at all. Games are more fun when it feels like you're a real soldier where you can hide behind objects or take cover in foliage
Renardin (03:32 AM) :
so it's just a question of level design then if I understand what you say. yes?
Renardin (03:32 AM) :
not a question of infantry number...
Renardin (03:34 AM) :
well I take noctice about the 'level comment' wich seems good to me then.
aircraftkiller (03:34 AM) :
No, it's also because you keep deviating from TS.
aircraftkiller (03:35 AM) :
You don't need a bunch of made up bullshit to enjoy something. I can understand adding in actual units from a military force like officers and snipers, but bomb squads, random mutants, etc are just pushing it. Nobody needs to be "assrammer mutant #49125 armed with spooge cannon" to enjoy a game
Renardin (03:35 AM) :
Well, it's a mod. We stick to TS as much as we can. But for infantry, we added some stuff just for the gameplay. It's not so bad.
aircraftkiller (03:35 AM) :
yeah okay you'll see what I mean when you release it and it plays just like Renegade. That game killed itself because Renegade had horrible gameplay. I'm off, you're not going to understand my point of view and Reborn will probably continue to suck indefinitely if it's ever released.
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Make your own opinion. I liked Renegade, that's why I add more infantry.
That brings us to an interesting question :
Does a RTS system can be applied to a FPS game and still be good to play ?
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154225] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 18:42 |
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This mod will finish unlike Renegade Alert which was abandoned when it was almost done. If you are working on the 'oh so good' BF2 engine then why does most of that stuff look like it has the same poly count as the RenAlert stuff? Honestly the RenAlert stuff looks better than the stuff you are making for BF2.
I actually liked RenAlert back in 2001-2002 before I knew how much of an ass you and your team are. (Chronojam is the only level-headed person on your team [of the members I know, I have not seen what all of the members post, so I am only speaking of the things that I have seen from the other ones]. He is always calm & collected & he presents well organized resons for his poasts & I haven't seen him flame anyone who didn't deserve it.)(& Sir Phoenix usually is ok as well but I haven't seen him say stuff as much) Just go away & stop being involved in the C&C community. The only relation that you have anymore is the fact that the mod you are making is in the Red Alert universe. No one (or very few people) will buy BF2 just for this mod, at least with RenAlert it was on a game that much of the C&C community had. The only people who like you are on your team because you are constantly alienating yourselves from the rest of us. You don't post much in the way of constructive criticism, just flames of how everything you don't make sucks. At least when I say something doesn't look good I give good reasons why & I don't say it in an aggressive way. (that's what always starts the flame wars, people don't neutrally say what they think looks bad, they always have to say "omg !t $uX0rz!!". Or someone has to go & shoot off their mouth about something because of a pre-existing prejudice & grudge against someone else instead of the piece of work that is being shown.)
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154226] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 18:43 |
uUnNcClLeE
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oops.. doubled the message by accident and all i can do is edit...
can't find the delete button. sorry..
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154228] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 18:50 |
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Wow and I tried to talk with him... I lost my time. Anyway I am up for the challenge ack. I will show you my point with the mod.
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154231] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:06 |
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Who would like to be infantry if they can be owned by a tank in a sec.
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You don't, it takes some time for a normal tank(ish) unit like the Ticktank and Titan to kill infantry, they're made to take out other tanks/vehicles.
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I mean in TS, you could kill like 100 soldiers with a simple devil's tongue, that doesn't fit to a fps... don't tell me it does...:S
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It's a flame tank, it's supposed to be really effective against infantry. I don't think it would be able to take out a hundred soldiers, it would probably take like 10-15 rifle infantry to take down a devils tongue, even less with disc throwers or rocket soldiers, etc.
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If you feel it looks like the inside of a soda can and absolutely cant stand it why dont you show me how it should be done.
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The only things it needs is a gate on the front where the harvester's tiberium tank is pulled in, a simple large conveyor belt that brings it to or over a simple chute where it dumps it's load. And then have a door on the side that goes into a small room with the PT and MCT, with a window that shows the above mentioned area, and make the above area unaccessible.
Doing this would only add a small amount of polygons, since you'd only be seeing it from the outside through the gate as it opens for the harvester's tank, or from the PT/MCT room through a window (dirty glass maybe), the parts don't have to be complex at all, simple shapes (a simple texture for the unaccessible area would show the necessary details) would do.
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154232] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:12 |
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The only things it needs is a gate on the front where the harvester's tiberium tank is pulled in, a simple large conveyor belt that brings it to or over a simple chute where it dumps it's load. And then have a door on the side that goes into a small room with the PT and MCT, with a window that shows the above mentioned area, and make the above area unaccessible.
Doing this would only add a small amount of polygons, since you'd only be seeing it from the outside through the gate as it opens for the harvester's tank, or from the PT/MCT room through a window (dirty glass maybe), the parts don't have to be complex at all, simple shapes (a simple texture for the unaccessible area would show the necessary details) would do.
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It didn't do that in Tib Sun if I remember it well. The only game where I saw this was TD. We found another way to collect tiberium from harvester. You will see it. Even simplier way and looks ok.
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154233] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:14 |
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Oh and plus j_ball430 if you got something to say id like to hear it after you submit your extremely l33t work, because im not seeing shit comming from you. If you dont want to play our mod thats up to you. So until you prove me wrong that your not a dumbass you can go fuck yourself also
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Okay, you little peon. I can't do better, but just because I can't do any better, doesn't mean that I can't criticise it. When you go see a movie and it sucks, you don't go, "that's still better than I can do," you say, "that movie sucked," so don't give me "it's better than you can do" bullshit. We are all entitled to our opinion, and on these forums, we are allowed to express it. I'm expressing my opinion, and if you don't like it, you can shove it up your ass and put me on your ignore list. If Retardin doesn't want to accept criticism, that's fine, but I'm going to call him out on it.
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154234] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:17 |
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Fabian
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Worse than that, you'll never find a Refinery that has nothing inside it. Even the Tiberian Dawn Refinery had an interior inside one of the videos, and it's extremely detailed with loads of pipes and grates everywhere.
This is just completely barren and shows no resemblance to a Refinery whatsoever. Also, why are you rendering this shit in 3D Studio when you can put it into Rendegrade's engine?
Remember, it's Nod, not NOD.
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LOL, he's scraping the bottom of the barrel to find bad comments, how pathetic can ya get.
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He always does that. I played Renegade for 2 years, and not once did I or anyone else say, "Gee...that Refinery sure is boring. They should have spiced it up with some office chairs and a coffee machine." And the Renegade Refinery (MP) interior is even simpler than the Reborn one...
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154236] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:19 |
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It didn't do that in Tib Sun if I remember it well. The only game where I saw this was TD.
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Yes, it does do that in Tiberian Sun, I started a skirmish level and just built the refinery to make sure before I said anything. It does get pulled back into the refinery, when it's done unloading, the tank comes back out and back on the harvester then it goes to pick more up.
In Tiberian Dawn the tiberium tank was grabbed off of the harvester, and rotated up from there, and dumped it's load right there.
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154241] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:33 |
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Oh and plus j_ball430 if you got something to say id like to hear it after you submit your extremely l33t work, because im not seeing shit comming from you. If you dont want to play our mod thats up to you. So until you prove me wrong that your not a dumbass you can go fuck yourself also
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Okay, you little peon. I can't do better, but just because I can't do any better, doesn't mean that I can't criticise it. When you go see a movie and it sucks, you don't go, "that's still better than I can do," you say, "that movie sucked," so don't give me "it's better than you can do" bullshit. We are all entitled to our opinion, and on these forums, we are allowed to express it. I'm expressing my opinion, and if you don't like it, you can shove it up your ass and put me on your ignore list. If Retardin doesn't want to accept criticism, that's fine, but I'm going to call him out on it.
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What I was trying to say which you evidently didnt get was if you dont like it no one is forcing it on you. Im not forcing you to play something you think sucks or go see a movie that you think sucks. Just because you and you mighty dumbshitness dosnt like it dosnt mean you have to sit here and just go reborn sux reborn sux. Dont ruin it for the people that have something intelligent to say.
And im a peon? Who the fuck are you?!?? You somone important I dont know about whos opinion matters so much to me?
lol Fucktard n00b. get a fucking life. 
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154242] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:36 |
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Also, why are you rendering this shit in 3D Studio when you can put it into Rendegrade's engine?
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Remember, it's Renegade, not Rendegrade.
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154243] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 19:43 |
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What I was trying to say which you evidently didnt get was if you dont like it no one is forcing it on you. Im not forcing you to play something you think sucks or go see a movie that you think sucks. Just because you and you mighty dumbshitness dosnt like it dosnt mean you have to sit here and just go reborn sux reborn sux. Dont ruin it for the people that have something intelligent to say.
And im a peon? Who the fuck are you?!?? You somone important I dont know about whos opinion matters so much to me?
lol Fucktard n00b. get a fucking life.
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What I'm trying to say is, I can give my damn opinion about whatever I fucking want. I never said you were forcing Rebarn on me. Just because I may not play it doesn't mean that I can't form an opinion on the staff and the work that I've seen. I find it downright retarded to ignore respected members' opinions because you don't want to hear it (by you, I mean Retardin). It's too fucking bad if it's not what's wanted to be heard, but you can't improve if you don't listen to (negative) criticism. I'm not saying you should listen to "OMG UR WURK SUX," but don't throw out vlokt's opinion because you are too lazy to try and make it realistic. Plus, I don't go "Reborn Sucks Reborn Sucks". I just say it whenever necessary, like my last post, for instance.  I have something intelligent to say, but it's morons like you and Retardin that just don't want to hear it because it's not what you would consider *helpful*.
Yes, you're a peon. You come in here demanding me to prove that I'm *worthy* of forming an opinion and then expressing it. Who the fuck are you to say that? You're a nobody on here. I may not be one of great importance, but that only throws you farther down the chain. "Get a fucking life." Where the fuck did that come from? Just because I share my opinion that automatically makes it that I need a "life"? Great logic there, moron!
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154248] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 20:00 |
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Aight guess I should say something.
First I wouldnt consider myself cowardly. You started talking to me I replied. You then complimented my work (which 20 min later is now "sub-par" l0lz)and tried to get me to join your team. Instead of talking yourself and your mod up you decided to say how much ours sucked. I would have told your right then that you could go jam a cucumber up your ass but I didnt see what you posted until after I talked to renardin.
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I was talking about the interior had you paid any attention at all, and it wasn't 20 minutes later. You have a very abstract sense of time, because I messaged you around 3 PM, and bashed your interior around 7 PM. Unlike a lot of people, I don't like to spend my time going "this or that is good, we're awesome, look at us." I say what I think, and I think you're wasting talent in Reborn considering it's probably never going to get released. Furthermore they have shit for leadership and squander everything.
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Second Reborn is dieing? could have fooled me. shit better watch out ack is going to kill us.
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Is it released? Wait, no it isn't... This "mega upgrade" has been in the works for well over a year, coming on a year and a half. Reborn has yet to produce anything playable in the two and a half years they've worked on it. It's dead, and will stay dead.
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Third I model for the fun and love of the game. I am not a professional, I dont get paid to do this nor have I ever taken any classes for this. I work on these models when I can and im open to constructive criticism. It sux I hate it dosnt really help me much there. The interior is just the basic skeleton layour of the ref. Im sorry if its not a fully functional 100% built to spec working refinary. ITS A GAME!
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No, it's not a game. It's a shit poor modification... I don't care if you're professional or not, I don't care when you work on models, and I don't care about your other excuses. You have the same problem the rest of Reborn's team does, you can't accept any sort of criticism whatsoever and you never improve any of your work. We've given you enough suggestions on how to improve the interior and you act as if nothing was ever written. I should dub you Angel of Dawn the Second.
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And plus I have a life besides modeling.
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WOW AREN'T YOU SPECIAL SO DO I!
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Do you think westwood went around asking all there gamers what they thought of each building and unit before they released it?
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You aren't Westwood Studios.
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Not to mention the only thing your going to be doing inside is running to mct and pts. To me cluttering the inside is just going to get in the way. If you feel it looks like the inside of a soda can and absolutely cant stand it why dont you show me how it should be done. (Remember its the renegade engine not bf2)
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So? Having things inside buildings allows you to hide in them and take cover behind objects. You obviously have no grasp of close quarters combat and why it's important to have interior decorations for both gameplay and appearance.
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I guess to sum it all up I really dont give a shit what you think. 
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You don't care at all, but simultaneously complain and whine about what I wrote. That's fucking genius, you'll be the next Einstien!
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154254] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 21:21 |
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Oh and plus j_ball430 if you got something to say id like to hear it after you submit your extremely l33t work, because im not seeing shit comming from you. If you dont want to play our mod thats up to you. So until you prove me wrong that your not a dumbass you can go fuck yourself also
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Ignore him, he just wants to share the other end of that cucumber with ack.
By the way, I agree with what other people have said a little while ago... the thing about some people having a life...
I posted here and left for a play. When I came back a few hours later there was over a freaking page of flamming. GET A LIFE! If you have that much time to blow and your between the ages of 15 and 30... Well I guess at this point theres not much you can do other than shoot yourself and get it over with. Take an adventure and open your door, heck even getting out of your chair would probably be an adventure for a lot of you...
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I just went over to the renalert website. First of all it looks worse than that artwork of ACK's posted a little while ago... Second of all, atleast ack's got something right:
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This is one of the ideas I've had bouncing around the empty shell of my head for the past few months.
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http://dynamic6.gamespy.com/~renalert/forum/index.php?showtopic=6433
I think he deserves a reward for realizing this :rolleyes:
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| CNC REBORN: Refinery [message #154256] |
Thu, 12 May 2005 21:34 |
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Oh FFS, could you, for a minute, stop being a retard? Why do I get labeled with Aircraftkiller as soon as I share the same opinion on Reborn as he does? I don't get automatically associated with Crimson or gbull because they're Republicans, but apparently this is a completely different situation because everybody who agrees with Aircraftkiller wants to "share the other end of that cucumber" with him. I don't consider you a cum-filled twat who does nothing but brown nose Retardin because you agree with him, so why do it with me or anybody else for that matter?
We spend time on a computer, so do you, but since you were AFK for a few hours while others weren't, that makes you somehow have a "life" whereas the others don't. Of course, timezones and plans (or lack there of) don't play a role in that at all. No, that can't be true. People living in different time zones? Who ever heard of such a crazy idea?
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Thu, 12 May 2005 21:47 |
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you sure post a lot...
First of all, the only reason I relate you with ack is because you seem to agree with him all the time and disagree when he disagrees. Don't you remember in Elementary math classes where you had to match the shapes? Are you missing the pattern here? I'm simply expressing myself so calm down.
As for the second part. What are you trying to get at with timezones? Timezones don't make hours go by faster for some people. My point was that There is way to much posting going on by the same people. that to me is like a red flag in the air of a lowlife.
I'm just waiting for this topic to get locked now. Seems like some of the people in here need a breather. Maybe some of your guys that are posting like crazy would take my advise then and get out of your chair. I'll even give you a highlight of it. You could grab a can of coke...
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I post a lot, yes, it's because I work in an office with nearly nothing to do... ever. That gives me roughly 5 hours to do nothing but sit and post.
I agree and disagree on Reborn and politics. The only time you see me post against him is when he makes a post about something I completely disagree with. If he does something annoying, I, unlike others, stay out of it and just ignore his and others' retaliating posts. I'm not one of those who insults him then calls for him to be banned/ignored because he insults them back. The only pattern you see is me resembling that of a person with common sense.
People are on at different times of day because of their geographic location. For all you know, it could be the middle of the day for me and I'm stuck at work. I can't exactly go off and have plans while I'm in the office, or it could be too late in the night (like it is) for me to go out and do anything because of work or other events during the day. My point is, different lifestyles and geographic locations lead to different lengths of time and posting opportunities for certain people.
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Thu, 12 May 2005 21:56 |
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Ok guys this is what im trying to say. I have absolutely no problem with constructive criticism but you 2 arent really doing that. Check out a comment that is of worth value to me. Tells the problem and a solution.| Sir Phoenixx |
The outside of it looks pretty good, but the interior needs to be redesigned.
It doesn't look like there's a place for the harvester to unload the tiberium, the tiberium storage tank on the back of the harvester is supposed to go into the refinery, but there's a solid wall in the way, then a lobby of sorts behind it. The two tall cylindrical objects on top of the refinery don't seem to go anywhere.
Even if it's not animated to show it unloading/etc., the interior should still actually look like it's in a refinery.
(Also, the harvester looks a little too small compared to the refinery in those screenshots.)
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Now ACK
YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME ADVICE FROM YOUR OWN FORUM!
A: Saying you dislike something without saying why or giving a suggestion to improve is not tolerated.
B: Be thoughtful in your replies. We work hard and expect little in return except a bit of respect for our sanity.
C: Do not take threads off topic, that is what the general discussion and off topic sections are for.
http://dynamic6.gamespy.com/~renalert/forum/index.php?showtopic=6433
I think you kinda violated all 3 of those.....
| Aircraftkiller |
Worse than that, you'll never find a Refinery that has nothing inside it. Even the Tiberian Dawn Refinery had an interior inside one of the videos, and it's extremely detailed with loads of pipes and grates everywhere.
This is just completely barren and shows no resemblance to a Refinery whatsoever. Also, why are you rendering this shit in 3D Studio when you can put it into Rendegrade's engine?
Remember, it's Nod, not NOD.
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I do believe you said it yourself it was a rendered video. and im not exactly going for the extremely detailed cluttered look.
| Aircraftkiller |
I'm still waiting for you to add something to that Refinery. When it gets a functional looking interior it might actually be a decent structure, but knowing Reborn anything you do will make it end up sucking like always.
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Thanks anything we do just sucks I guess.
| Aircraftkiller |
What players, genetix? You really think Reborn will get finished, much less have more than three people playing it?
Just because you don't notice interior detail does not mean it should be a barren room.
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So you want us to spend alot more time adding more detail, but you also say by the time we finish there will only be like 3 people playing it?
I have nothing against your opinion but how does this help me make the ref better?
| j_ball430 |
You want to get your mod out by the summer? Which summer exactly? 2005? 2006? 2010? If you rush your work, it'll end up shitty. A good example of this is the game you're currently modding. Why sacrifice quality for time constraint? It's not like you're going to finish this mod anyways. Might as well make it look as good as you can before you throw it away, that way you can try and argue that your mod wasn't a failure once you do throw it out.
Why shouldn't you care about details? Details are what make everything. Putting detail into your work shows dedication and love for what you're doing. Plus, leaving out common sense things just goes to show how much intelligence, or lack there of, the team actually has. If you don't care about the details, your mod's going to end up like the last Reborn team's release.
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There is a difference between model detail and quality, and detail isnt directly related to the fun factor either. and plus what good is a mod that by the time its finished nobody will play it?
What exactly was your opinion there for me?
| j_ball430 |
You're a fucking retard. You want your opinion from the players, but then you ignore them if it's not praise. FFS, grow the fuck up.
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Where do you get that idea? I wouldnt post my work if I didnt want feedback?
| j_ball430 |
I see no point in being polite to morons.
Yes, you do ignore comments. You may read them, but that doesn't mean that you actually take them into consideration. If they're small minor details that everybody unanimously agrees with, then you adjust a little bit, but other than that, you don't care what others think unless it's a god damn praise.
No, you idiot. It's not just from this thread that I've come to the conclusion that you don't give a fuck about one's opinion unless it's something that you want to hear. You've never been one to actually take others' opinions into consideration unless it was either your assramming buddies or your brown nosing followers. Try to not be so fucking stupid.
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I just dont like listening to comments from ACK that suggest that its going to suck no matter what. It dosnt really accomplish anything.
I guess your still assuming that im just going to leave the inside the way it is? It was just meant to show the layout.
| j_ball430 |
You're not taking the time to make a quality mod just so you can get it out for the summer. You're just doing a halfassed job to "give the people what they want", but what they want is a good mod.
No shit what you read above is sarcastic. Did you have someone tell you that, or did you figure it out all by yourself?
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And still you just continue to say nothing of value.
| j_ball430 |
How am I changing the subject when you bring up my sarcastic remark? I knew you were stupid, but that's just a new low.
Yes, you're going to rush your release, and it's going to suck. I have no doubt that it'll be better than the old Reborn team's release, but that's not saying much.
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