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Ring of Evil [message #138928] Thu, 17 February 2005 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ring of Evil [message #138929] Thu, 17 February 2005 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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=gbull=[L]=]Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals, we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it.


They could probably justify their actions as well, and most likely believe in them.

Attacking Iraq had nothing to do with the protection of America, there was never any proof to the contrary.
Ring of Evil [message #138938] Thu, 17 February 2005 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then those US fighter pilots that were shot at on a daily basis by AAA\SAM sites weren't US citizens?

Stop derailing my fucking thread... Although what davegmm wrote is similar to the hateful quotes this thread is supposed to be about.
Ring of Evil [message #138939] Thu, 17 February 2005 18:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then those US fighter pilots that were shot at on a daily basis by AAA\SAM sites weren't US citizens?


Working in conjunction with Resolution 678 and 687, you forgot that. Of course they were American citizens, but they were working under U.N. juristiction; a restricted authority. So trying to pull a self-defence clause out of such an incident is flawed because it conflicts with article 51 of the charter.

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Stop derailing my fucking thread...


Stop whining, please.



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Ring of Evil [message #138940] Thu, 17 February 2005 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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=gbull=[L]=]Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals,


Just like there is not one for the illegal invasion of Iraq.

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we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it.


Then, by your logic, the nations involved with the scandel (might) have justifications for their actions. "Then so be it".

You're pulling a double standard for America again. Try and figure it out, because I'm growing weary of trying to explain to you what it is you are actually saying in your posts.



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Ring of Evil [message #138946] Thu, 17 February 2005 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dont be stupid, human lives are worth more than money and so what they did is NOTHING like what we are doing. And those pilots are american citizens FIRST and UN soldiers SECOND. And if the UN doesnt like what we are doing, then they can kick us out. What....they...wont? surprise, too damn bad k thx. Smile

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Ring of Evil [message #138951] Thu, 17 February 2005 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canada has no room to talk. You guys waited until the glorious year of 1982 to ask to be allowed to amend your constitution. Canada is not a country you want in charge of getting things done. And you have shown that you stick with it. I mean seriously. Do you think writing a letter of concern will fix everything?

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Ring of Evil [message #138952] Thu, 17 February 2005 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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=[DT

=gbull=[L]=]Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals, we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it.


They could probably justify their actions as well, and most likely believe in them.

Attacking Iraq had nothing to do with the protection of America, there was never any proof to the contrary.


And the same could be said if we attacked Afghanistan in October of 2001.

You would be bitching and moaning saying Osama was a peace loving man who only wanted to be friends. Yet when an attack happens it is bushes fault, if he stops one. OMG!!!!! He is like EVIL!@!!!!


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Ring of Evil [message #138953] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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=gbull=[L]=]Dont be stupid, human lives are worth more than money and so what they did is NOTHING like what we are doing.


The moral card has no leverage on the logic you have used. And while I agree with you that human lives are worth more than money, it does negate the validity of my comparison.

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And those pilots are american citizens FIRST and UN soldiers SECOND.


While that might be true in the broader scheme, it is not true in context. They were American soldiers working for the U.N. and under the U.N.'s authority. This means they are bound to U.N. authority stipulations, just like every other Coalition soldier in first Gulf War-- including Article 51. Which is why the self-defence clause doesn't apply in that argument.

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And if the UN doesnt like what we are doing, then they can kick us out.


Or better yet, you can pay your membership dues to date, which you still haven't done, and leave of your own accord.



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Ring of Evil [message #138956] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Or better yet, you can pay your membership dues to date, which you still haven't done, and leave of your own accord.


In a perfect world....


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Ring of Evil [message #138957] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canada has no room to talk. You guys waited until the glorious year of 1982 to ask to be allowed to amend your constitution. Canada is not a country you want in charge of getting things done. And you have shown that you stick with it. I mean seriously. Do you think writing a letter of concern will fix everything?


What does this have to do with anything? Does 1+1 not equal 2 when it comes from a Canadian? Or are you just being bigotted because you don't like what you're reading?



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Ring of Evil [message #138958] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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=gbull=[L]=]Dont be stupid, human lives are worth more than money and so what they did is NOTHING like what we are doing.


The moral card has no leverage on the logic you have used. And while I agree with you that human lives are worth more than money, it does negate the validity of my comparison.

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And those pilots are american citizens FIRST and UN soldiers SECOND.


While that might be true in the broader scheme, it is not true in context. They were American soldiers working for the U.N. and under the U.N.'s authority. This means they are bound to U.N. authority stipulations, just like every other Coalition soldier in first Gulf War-- including Article 51. Which is why the self-defence clause doesn't apply in that argument.

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And if the UN doesnt like what we are doing, then they can kick us out.


Or better yet, you can pay your membership dues to date, which you still haven't done, and leave of your own accord.


Why do you keep saying such complete bull shit? It doesn't matter what the UN says. If someone in the American military does not like it they can tell the UN to fuck off. American soldiers only take orders from the president. If the president says blow the shit out of them they blow the shit out of them. If they get shot at they shoot back in self defense. If Iraq fucks with us we fuck with them. It doesn't matter if a few knuckle heads around the world don't like us. They can just deal with it.

As for the money we owe. I think the many military operations and funds we have pumped into other countries puts the world in eternal debt to us.


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Ring of Evil [message #138961] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canada has no room to talk. You guys waited until the glorious year of 1982 to ask to be allowed to amend your constitution. Canada is not a country you want in charge of getting things done. And you have shown that you stick with it. I mean seriously. Do you think writing a letter of concern will fix everything?


What does this have to do with anything? Does 1+1 not equal 2 when it comes from a Canadian? Or are you just being bigotted because you don't like what you're reading?


It has to do with a lot of things. A farmers opinion on Nuclear fission is not valid because he has nothing to contribute. Canada's opinion on fixing the world is not valid because they are too scared to get these things for their own country. You are still a common wealth of England! That is just pitiful!

If you think things can be solved in other ways please point them out. Until then stay in Canada and don't come out until you can offer a valid alternative to what we are doing.

If you don't have anything constructive to say just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear you bitching.


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Ring of Evil [message #138962] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not quite kid.

Your president gets his LEGAL international authority from the U.N., not from your congress. The soldiers do as they are told, like good men and women. If their president orders them to do something illegal on the international field, they will still do it because it is an order. Stop trying to pin me against the Coalition soldiers when the problem is far from them and solely on the Coalition leaders.

As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up.



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Ring of Evil [message #138965] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canada's opinion on fixing the world is not valid because they are too scared to get these things for their own country. You are still a common wealth of England! That is just pitiful!


I suggest you learn what Confederation is and why Canada rightfully chose to stay in close alligance with England before you make such ignorant statements.

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If you think things can be solved in other ways please point them out.


Oh really? And where would these alternatives be put into place? 3 years in the past? Good critical thinking there, champ.

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If you don't have anything constructive to say just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear you bitching.


Stop breaking the law. It prevents anarchy.



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Ring of Evil [message #138967] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not quite kid.

Your president gets his LEGAL international authority from the U.N., not from your congress. The soldiers do as they are told, like good men and women. If their president orders them to do something illegal on the international field, they will still do it because it is an order. Stop trying to pin me against the Coalition soldiers when the problem is far from them and solely on the Coalition leaders.

As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up.


The United States does what it wants. It is that fucking simple. the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. As a sovereign nation no one can tell us what to do. If we tell the UN to shove we can do it. It doesn't matter. We threw out the league of nations we can do the same to the UN. They had their time and the idiots totally ruined what it was supposed to be about. It was simply a place where countries can talk. We can do that without the UN. The UN is just the womens bathroom for the world.

We owe no money. It is the simple. Imagine if we never joined the UN. Between 1850 and 1950 there was 70 wars in Europe. How many where there after the US became a super power? 0. Really tells you something doesn't it? We keep the world in line and the things we have given to the world far outweigh and numerical value.


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Ring of Evil [message #138968] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up.


How about we just take it out of their parking tickets and call it even. Either that or just call Ted and all his buddies, he'll pony up for the "good" cause again, I'm sure.
Ring of Evil [message #138970] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canada's opinion on fixing the world is not valid because they are too scared to get these things for their own country. You are still a common wealth of England! That is just pitiful!


I suggest you learn what Confederation is and why Canada rightfully chose to stay in close alligance with England before you make such ignorant statements.

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If you think things can be solved in other ways please point them out.


Oh really? And where would these alternatives be put into place? 3 years in the past? Good critical thinking there, champ.

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If you don't have anything constructive to say just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear you bitching.


Stop breaking the law. It prevents anarchy.



America had a confederation, it sucked and we got rid of it.

I'm asking you for these. Since it is quite obvious we cannot change anything you no longer have anything to say. except complain about every thing we do.

We haven't broken any law.


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Ring of Evil [message #138973] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The United States does what it wants.


Yup, whether you break the law or not. Which you did, by the way. Smile

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the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation.


Laws you helped make AND agreed to. Laughing I guess you just owned yourself there.

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We owe no money.


Yes you do.



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Ring of Evil [message #138975] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up.

The United States funds a fifth of the United Nations, if not more, so when did our "membership fee" become more than that? Is 20% of all UN funds not enough for you?
It's too much for me. It's all a waste of money on an obsolete organization that accomplishes absolutely nothing in today's day and age.

It's time for us to say, "Screw the UN," take the 20% of all UN funds that we provide and leave.


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Ring of Evil [message #138976] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We owe no money. It is the simple. Imagine if we never joined the UN. Between 1850 and 1950 there was 70 wars in Europe. How many where there after the US became a super power? 0.


LOL.


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Ring of Evil [message #138977] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm asking you for these. Since it is quite obvious we cannot change anything you no longer have anything to say. except complain about every thing we do.


That's a logical fallacy, you know. "WAT R UR ALTERNTIAVE O BTW WE CANT DO NE THING"

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We haven't broken any law.


You violated international law. Your argument for this position is flaunt with holes and ignorance. Prove your point by refuting the facts that:

a) You signed the charter agreeing to it. (Maybe you should actually READ the charter too)

b) You are bound to the resolutions that your nation also ratified. Note the "sovreignty" clauses in 686 to 1441 (relevant resolutions only).

Stop living in a bubble and understand America is worth as much as Cape Verde (not financially, of course) on the international field in that an American citizen is not above the law any more than an Iranian is.



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Ring of Evil [message #138979] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The United States does what it wants.


Yup, whether you break the law or not. Which you did, by the way. Smile

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the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation.


Laws you helped make AND agreed to. Laughing I guess you just owned yourself there.

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We owe no money.


Yes you do.


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Ring of Evil [message #138980] Thu, 17 February 2005 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then amend it and get out of the U.N. please.


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Javaxcx

As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up.

The United States funds a fifth of the United Nations, if not more, so when did our "membership fee" become more than that? Is 20% of all UN funds not enough for you?
It's too much for me. It's all a waste of money on an obsolete organization that accomplishes absolutely nothing in today's day and age.

It's time for us to say, "Screw the UN," take the 20% of all UN funds that we provide and leave.


Citizens of a country pump billions into the economy of a country.. with all that money being put towards good use, I guess we should be free from paying taxes.

Great logic there. Here's a free hint. There has been no agreement with America and the UN to substitute its membership fees with any other sort of consideration. Therefore it does not matter if you single-handedly fund everything the UN does. There is no arrangement to defer those fees, so you pay them.
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