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| TD based tiberium models [message #13837] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 14:41   |
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Dante
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| Aircraftkiller |
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As part of the dev team for Renegade, it was up to me to use Westwood assets like the other artists did.
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LOL
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Saying "LOL" doesn't make you right.
Have you realized that yet?
I am part of the dev team, or whatever was left of it by that point in time. You can try to argue with it all you want, but the fact remains that I was allowed that honor by Westwood themselves.
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please post both of the two items that made you part of the Dev team...
a picture of the check they sent you, and a copy of the email from WS saying "Welcome to the dev team..." " ... here is what we expect from you as part of our..." " ... Please Reply to this letter to acknowledge you agree with..." etc...
getting leftovers from unfinished maps does not make you part of a dev team, it makes you a scavenger by definition...
RenEvo
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| TD based tiberium models [message #13838] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 14:44 |
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Halo38
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Location: UK
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| Dante |
| Aircraftkiller |
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| Aircraftkiller |
As part of the dev team for Renegade, it was up to me to use Westwood assets like the other artists did.
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LOL
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Saying "LOL" doesn't make you right.
Have you realized that yet?
I am part of the dev team, or whatever was left of it by that point in time. You can try to argue with it all you want, but the fact remains that I was allowed that honor by Westwood themselves.
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please post both of the two items that made you part of the Dev team...
a picture of the check they sent you, and a copy of the email from WS saying "Welcome to the dev team..." " ... here is what we expect from you as part of our..." " ... Please Reply to this letter to acknowledge you agree with..." etc...
getting leftovers from unfinished maps does not make you part of a dev team, it makes you a scavenger by definition...
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LOL
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Saying "LOL" doesn't make you right.)
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| TD based tiberium models [message #13839] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 14:46 |
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General Havoc
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ack, i think people would appreciate your work on Glacier Flying if you showed them how westwood had done when you first started
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that my suggestion too, a while ago......... still waiting..........
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Anyone with commando editor has it... I think... Look under Terrain/MP Levels/Glacier or something like that, its there...
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Yeah everyone will be able to "make" the terrain in Level Edit as it pulls the data from ACK's mix file. It also has all the other unfinished map names. If you have downloaded other maps such as bunkers it will be able to pull in the terrain from the mix. It can be done with any map anyway by extracting the W3D from the mix so it's nothing special just that Level Edit creates a shortcut to the file.
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| TD based tiberium models [message #13855] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 15:03 |
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Dante
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ok, in acks defense, i saw what he had to work with, hell i made it a .gmax for him... thing is, it needed ALOT of work via the texturing, the meshes needed alot of re aligning, some of the tunnels needed a rebuild, all of the buildings had to be hand placed, etc...
it isn't easy
RenEvo
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| TD based tiberium models [message #13908] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 15:58 |
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Aircraftkiller
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| Dante |
| Aircraftkiller |
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| Aircraftkiller |
As part of the dev team for Renegade, it was up to me to use Westwood assets like the other artists did.
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LOL
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Saying "LOL" doesn't make you right.
Have you realized that yet?
I am part of the dev team, or whatever was left of it by that point in time. You can try to argue with it all you want, but the fact remains that I was allowed that honor by Westwood themselves.
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please post both of the two items that made you part of the Dev team...
a picture of the check they sent you, and a copy of the email from WS saying "Welcome to the dev team..." " ... here is what we expect from you as part of our..." " ... Please Reply to this letter to acknowledge you agree with..." etc...
getting leftovers from unfinished maps does not make you part of a dev team, it makes you a scavenger by definition...
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Told you before that I never received a cent for this. You know for a fact that I had to bust my ass to get the map fixed up for them, twice, then negotiate heavily for over a month just to get a single map into the patch.
According to Steve Tall, I'm part of the team or whatever was left of it at that point, so I'm taking his word for it. After all, he knew more than you or I did or do about it.
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14050] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 18:32 |
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Captkurt
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Registered: February 2003
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Ack, I'm going to be releasing my version of Glacier_Flying soon, I did not copy what you call yours, every thing within mine is done by either West Wood or myself, I'm taking one of Westwood’s unfinished maps, Glacier Flying and going to be finishing it and then releasing it. So get used to it. If you want to run to my ISP and tittle-tattle go ahead. Hehe. I couldn’t care less. You need to learn some things. You remind me of Sadam Hussein, he had a few followers too, but the majority of the people rose up and spoke. Those that followed him didn't have a brain of their own. I do. Even though I really don't even like the map, Glacier_Flying, infact, every time it cycles around, I quit. But for personal reasons I'm going to show you, you’re not the only one that can do it. Some will like your version better, and others will like mine better, so again, get used to it, This is supposed to be a modding forum not a “gut cut from Ack. So you really need to quit bitching so much, stay out of other peoples threads unless you have something constructive to add and get a life, I have spoken. Move on.
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14067] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 18:58 |
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Try_lee
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Registered: February 2003
Location: Reading, England
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Ack, I'm going to be releasing my version of Glacier_Flying soon, I did not copy what you call yours, every thing within mine is done by either West Wood or myself, I'm taking one of Westwood’s unfinished maps, Glacier Flying and going to be finishing it and then releasing it. So get used to it. If you want to run to my ISP and tittle-tattle go ahead. Hehe. I couldn’t care less. You need to learn some things. You remind me of Sadam Hussein, he had a few followers too, but the majority of the people rose up and spoke. Those that followed him didn't have a brain of their own. I do. Even though I really don't even like the map, Glacier_Flying, infact, every time it cycles around, I quit. But for personal reasons I'm going to show you, you’re not the only one that can do it. Some will like your version better, and others will like mine better, so again, get used to it, This is supposed to be a modding forum not a “gut cut from Ack. So you really need to quit bitching so much, stay out of other peoples threads unless you have something constructive to add and get a life, I have spoken. Move on.
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So you're going to take someones work, modify it and ruin it? Mapping is an art and although the base for the map was laid out by WS, Aircraftkiller put lots of time, effort and work into transforming the empty shell of that map into it's current state. What you plan to do is morraly wrong and you have no right to do it. More than that, you will lose any respect you may have had and face it, how many sites will be willing to host the map for download? How many people will be willing to overwrite the existing Glacier_flying.mix file? To be honest, I've never seen anyone act so immaturely on a message board.
YARR! The pirate life is for me! 
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14069] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 19:02 |
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Dante
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Ack, I'm going to be releasing my version of Glacier_Flying soon, I did not copy what you call yours, every thing within mine is done by either West Wood or myself, I'm taking one of Westwood’s unfinished maps, Glacier Flying and going to be finishing it and then releasing it. So get used to it. If you want to run to my ISP and tittle-tattle go ahead. Hehe. I couldn’t care less. You need to learn some things. You remind me of Sadam Hussein, he had a few followers too, but the majority of the people rose up and spoke. Those that followed him didn't have a brain of their own. I do. Even though I really don't even like the map, Glacier_Flying, infact, every time it cycles around, I quit. But for personal reasons I'm going to show you, you’re not the only one that can do it. Some will like your version better, and others will like mine better, so again, get used to it, This is supposed to be a modding forum not a “gut cut from Ack. So you really need to quit bitching so much, stay out of other peoples threads unless you have something constructive to add and get a life, I have spoken. Move on.
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no offense, but ack does own the legal copyright of that maps intellectuall property, if you where to do anything with it (whether it be the Mike Amerson's version, or acks) it is illegal, plain and simple with out full permission from the owner (ack in this case).
check the laws if you like, but those are the just of it.
get over it, if you don't like Glacier so much because it lags, don't play it...
RenEvo
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14070] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 19:06 |
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| Captkurt01 |
Ack, I'm going to be releasing my version of Glacier_Flying soon, I did not copy what you call yours, every thing within mine is done by either West Wood or myself, I'm taking one of Westwood’s unfinished maps, Glacier Flying and going to be finishing it and then releasing it. So get used to it. If you want to run to my ISP and tittle-tattle go ahead. Hehe. I couldn’t care less. You need to learn some things. You remind me of Sadam Hussein, he had a few followers too, but the majority of the people rose up and spoke. Those that followed him didn't have a brain of their own. I do. Even though I really don't even like the map, Glacier_Flying, infact, every time it cycles around, I quit. But for personal reasons I'm going to show you, you’re not the only one that can do it. Some will like your version better, and others will like mine better, so again, get used to it, This is supposed to be a modding forum not a “gut cut from Ack. So you really need to quit bitching so much, stay out of other peoples threads unless you have something constructive to add and get a life, I have spoken. Move on.
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Wow, I don't think I've seen someone so eager, and dumb enough to completely ruin their reputation (and a map).
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14071] |
Sun, 13 April 2003 19:06 |
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Aircraftkiller
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Ack, I'm going to be releasing my version of Glacier_Flying soon, I did not copy what you call yours, every thing within mine is done by either West Wood or myself, I'm taking one of Westwood’s unfinished maps, Glacier Flying and going to be finishing it and then releasing it. So get used to it. If you want to run to my ISP and tittle-tattle go ahead. Hehe. I couldn’t care less. You need to learn some things. You remind me of Sadam Hussein, he had a few followers too, but the majority of the people rose up and spoke. Those that followed him didn't have a brain of their own. I do. Even though I really don't even like the map, Glacier_Flying, infact, every time it cycles around, I quit. But for personal reasons I'm going to show you, you’re not the only one that can do it. Some will like your version better, and others will like mine better, so again, get used to it, This is supposed to be a modding forum not a “gut cut from Ack. So you really need to quit bitching so much, stay out of other peoples threads unless you have something constructive to add and get a life, I have spoken. Move on.
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Right, totally ignore everything said here... Way to go, champ - you'll pass reading literacy tests like that.
You had to have used everything in the map that exists now. There is nothing unfinished in Glacier Flying as it exists today. Everything in that map that is in Renegade today is because of me and Dante's work on the W3D import script. Regardless of what you say or do, it's common public knowledge that you had nothing to do with Glacier Flying's development.
Don't worry, I'll "run to" your ISP. More like e-mail their abuse department to take care of this. I don't give a damn about what you're trying to prove - you could do it by making your own version from scratch without using the damn terrain of Glacier Flying. You could try to be original without being a thief, but no -- you've got to make things hard for yourself. Keep digging that hole, champ. I'll see to it that you end up like Shady and AllGusto and all the other losers that have virtually disappeared from the community.
If you want to talk about modifications, that's just fine. That's what this forum is about, after all. However, my ignorant little friend, if you believe for one moment that I'll stand down from what I believe to kiss everyone's ass and tell them their work is perfect all the time when it isn't to me, you've got another thing coming. Furthermore, you're only helping to reinforce what I'm going to continue doing - giving my honest opinion on what others do regardless of what assholes like you believe.
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14120] |
Mon, 14 April 2003 00:17 |
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Captkurt
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No one here is going to be so stupid as to come out with a map with the same name as one that 's already out there, I didn’t even say that is what I was doing, I did make one, for personal use, that runs less laggy, but the one I’m going to be releasing is called "C&C_Glasier_AI.mix" that is not stealing, it is building or creating from basic scratch, I've added my own models to the base that WW released to the general public. It is not stealing, it is not even close. It’s just making a different version of some of the unfinished maps that Westwood allowed anyone to have access too. A lot of their maps are already out with AI versions added or no flying etc. So what if Ack has the actuall GmaX files. that would be nice to have , but then, I would of made it different all together. But with what I have and my artistic talents, am going to be releasing my map Glacier_AI. If that's a problem then hay don’t play it.
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| TD based tiberium models [message #14208] |
Mon, 14 April 2003 11:25 |
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Aircraftkiller
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No one here is going to be so stupid as to come out with a map with the same name as one that 's already out there, I didn’t even say that is what I was doing, I did make one, for personal use, that runs less laggy, but the one I’m going to be releasing is called "C&C_Glasier_AI.mix" that is not stealing, it is building or creating from basic scratch, I've added my own models to the base that WW released to the general public. It is not stealing, it is not even close. It’s just making a different version of some of the unfinished maps that Westwood allowed anyone to have access too. A lot of their maps are already out with AI versions added or no flying etc. So what if Ack has the actuall GmaX files. that would be nice to have , but then, I would of made it different all together. But with what I have and my artistic talents, am going to be releasing my map Glacier_AI. If that's a problem then hay don’t play it.
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You still don't get it. You motherfucking idiot, can you comprehend that Westwood Studios did not release the Glacier Flying map? None of their artists besides Tse-Cheng Lo brought it into existence, and he stopped after the flying patch was released.
I brought the entire thing out to the public. Westwood had nothing to do with the design phase after the 1.030 patch was released. You are taking my work, motherfucker. Not yours. Adding some spawn points and some AI waypoints to a map does not make you the creator of the map. READ THE FUCKING TEXT FILE IN YOUR DATA DIRECTORY OR SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE MAP.
YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION FROM ME OR ANYONE AT THE NOW DECEASED WESTWOOD STUDIOS TO WORK ON GLACIER FLYING, CREATE ANY MODIFIED VERSIONS OF IT, OR CALL IT YOUR OWN. ARE WE CLEAR?
RENAMING A MAP TO SOMETHING ELSE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THE WORK WAS DONE BY YOU OR THE MAP WAS GIVEN TO YOU. I DON'T SEE DANTE SUPPORTING YOUR BULLSHIT AND HE'S THE ONE WHO STARTED THE AI MAPS THAT YOU'RE SO FOND OF.
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