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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133115] |
Wed, 19 January 2005 19:47   |
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glyde51
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Once again, the Iraq war was for gain, not to liberate the people. What about poor Africa, where they don't need us to make wars, just the $$$?
No. Seriously. No.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133149] |
Wed, 19 January 2005 21:51 |
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IRON FART
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Attacking Iraq for a military base is very much overkill seeing as how they had no trouble mobilizing around Iraq. Some countries were willing to help, and they already have a base in Israel. Spending upwards of $150 Billion simply to establish a military base, expand influence over the middle-east and to "liberate" a nation is absurd.
[Heres where the controversy begins]
But seeing how that money is largely being spent on American Corporations, some of it goes back into the pockets of... you guessed it.
Glyde is right saying that war is made for gain.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133157] |
Wed, 19 January 2005 22:44 |
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IRON FART
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You are right. His number 1 priority was morality and to do something good for the world as an American President. I feel so much safer in this country. Now that I know that 9/11 and Saddam Hussein were directly linked and that he had weapons of mass destruction I feel much safer. Now that Hussein is no longer in power, we can all hold hands and sing peaceful songs.
Does it not seem at all possible to Bush supporters that, even if you do not consider it fact, it is entirely possible and plausible? Does it not seem odd that the connection between 9/11 and Hussein was never established and that the reason for attacking Iraq changed like 3 times? (Combat terrorism->WMD's->Liberate Iraq)
This is your $150 Billion. Do you want it to go to corporations? Or would you prefer to have it help the education system, Hospital, medical systems and to help combat poverty?
Oh and if you want to know, my father was sacked from his job in 2001 when California's education budget was cut by $20 Billion and there were many job cuts. There was a huge job-freeze from 2001 - 2003 and the situation isn't much better. Now I wonder where that money went. Or rather who is wiping their ass with $100 bills.
Also my old school used to recieve $30,000 grants every 6 months from the State to spend on Science. Well that program took the axe in 2001.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133169] |
Thu, 20 January 2005 00:33 |
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IRON FART
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No they are not. They have officially announced that. It took them a while though. Tony Blair admitted this about last july in an official report.
Let me just bring something to your attention.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
I'll just emphasize the first paragraph.
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The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm
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We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks
President Bush
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(Take a look at the little beige box at the beginning)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm
Well, if Bush's administration states this, then am I to believe the biased article?
Sure, Hussein has funded terrorism before, but he did not play a part in 9/11. I'm sure he loved to watch it, but he didn't play a part in it. Especially not fund it seeing as how loaded Osama is.
That link did not put anyone to shame.
Theres tons more info about the absence of the Hussein 9/11 link. Google it or use Yahoo or Reuters.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133192] |
Thu, 20 January 2005 07:07 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I've never seen anything, anywhere, that shows the President and his administration said Saddam had any ties to 11 September, 2001.
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Well, in an odd bit of hypocrisy, watch George Bush the day al Qaeda ties are flatly ruled out [A month or two ago] George Bush says Iraq had no connections to al Qaeda, and then about 5 minutes later says there was a connection. It would be funny if he weren't our "President."
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
The Liberal Media At Work
An objective look at media partisanship
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133219] |
Thu, 20 January 2005 15:13 |
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Crimson
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Oh man that EVIL EVIL money going to corporations...
So they can pay their workers, and create jobs, and donate to the communities they serve...
SHAME ON THEM! Shame on everyone who works for large corporations!
I'm the bawss.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133222] |
Thu, 20 January 2005 15:22 |
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Hydra
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Haven't you learned by now, Crimson, that all rich people are evil and arrived at their position in life solely by exploiting the "working-class" man?
Don't you know that all that rich people do is think of how else they can screw over poor people for more of their money?
That's why I'm in support for much higher taxes on the evil rich and no taxes on the working-class! That'll show those evil, rich, capitalist bastards!
FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY; TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED!!!
WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133227] |
Thu, 20 January 2005 16:46 |
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IRON FART
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You both just missed the point COMPLETELY. I did not say anything about working class people, or people who work for large corporations. I did not generalize either.
The point is that the war was instigated by Bush/Cheney. Why? Well the cost of the war would go straight back to those corporations. Do you think the "poor middle class workers" are going to get ANY of that money other than what they are already getting paid? Its going to the high-up people, the chairmen, CEO's Executives, Directors. Strangely enough almost all of Bush's cabinet members and advisors have ties to major corporations. Including Lockheed Martin, Haliburton, BP (British Petrolium, AKA "Arco"), Exxon, GM (General Motors), and Chevron. (There are more of course).
Now how much of this $150 Biillion are workers ever going to see? Nothing out of their ordinary wages.
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So they can pay their workers, and create jobs, and donate to the communities they serve...
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1. Of course they need to pay their workers, but those workers would have been paid regardless if there was a war or not. The corporations those workers were employed by weren't nearing bankruptcy.
2. Well if budgets are being cut from elsewhere, and people are getting laid off? Take a look at this.
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| What the "left" thinks of the "red states&quo [message #133241] |
Thu, 20 January 2005 19:01 |
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Crimson
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You are a FOOL, a FOOL I tell ya! If a corporation doesn't have MONEY, then they CAN'T PAY THEIR WORKERS! You think anyone can just form a corporation, hire 20,000 people, and they all sit on their asses and do nothing and just collect big dollars from the government? Do you know NOTHING about economics? Or do you know only "BIG CORPORATION BAD! ME WANT DINNER!"
I work for a large corporation myself. A corporation so large that it once had a larger market cap than Microsoft a few years ago. My paycheck is directly derived from the success of my work. People higher up make money based on their decisions and the ability to manage effectively. A company grows by successfully filling a need and being paid to fulfill that need by other companies or end consumers. When people do their job well, the company makes more money which means they can do more things, expand their market, fulfill needs for more people, research new and innovative ideas... did I say HIRE MORE PEOPLE? When a company does a bad job, when they are not fulfilling a need, the company shrinks, jobs are lost. How many people do you think Haliburton hired to do the work over in Iraq? Do you think they just stopped fulfilling their other obligations with the rest of their customers and sent the existing employees over there? C'mon... think about it, ok?
I'm the bawss.
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. They are still looking for WMDs im sure.
