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| This is one of the saddest and amzaing things i've seen [message #127426] |
Sat, 18 December 2004 19:28   |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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A story just disgusting enough to make the major media.
Why, pray, did we ever need to hear about this?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| This is one of the saddest and amzaing things i've seen [message #127952] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 19:20 |
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cowmisfit
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Death penalties are merely legalized revenge, and are not justice. Remember, killing the killer doesn't bring anyone back to life. Therefore, justice cannot be served by killing them.
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If that was your wife, your daughter , sister w/e you wouldn't feel that way.
Just plain bullshit, she deserves death, i don't care if its the "correct" justice in your eyes or anyone elses, and i dont' really give a fuck if she's insane or not, she did waht she did. in ron whites words, "If she doesn't know whats going on and it makes me feel better, then what are we arguing about??"
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| This is one of the saddest and amzaing things i've seen [message #128014] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 20:41 |
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Jecht
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If that was your wife, your daughter , sister w/e you wouldn't feel that way.
Just plain bullshit, she deserves death, i don't care if its the "correct" justice in your eyes or anyone elses, and i dont' really give a fuck if she's insane or not, she did waht she did. in ron whites words, "If she doesn't know whats going on and it makes me feel better, then what are we arguing about??"
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Amen.
Eye for an Eye. Price for murder should be death, price for rape should be death. Unless we legalize torturing them for the rest of their lives of course. Now i ask you, whats more of a deterent, A long torturous death, or life in prison? Personally I think it would be cool if we could chain her to the ground and put a shotgun bullet in stomach and let her bleed to death over the course of two days. Or we could bring back the gallows!!!!! Let'er Swing, that'd Git er Dun.
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| This is one of the saddest and amzaing things i've seen [message #128134] |
Tue, 21 December 2004 11:18 |
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Javaxcx
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Location: Canada, eh?
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=gbull=[L]=]and java, the purpose of the law is to keep the peace, if if the murderous are lost to save the innocent, then the end justifies the means. Prisons can only hold so many people
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The purpose of the law is to keep the peace, yes. It is also to be fair in its judgements. Furthermore, a COURT of law has the purpose to ascertain (from an unbiased perspective) guilt and to deal restitution fairly. A court of law does not (should not, I should say) deal out revenge. If it did, then I'm sure you'd be seeing some fairly ridiculous cases. Assault cases, for example. No competent court in the world would say "Well, you hit him, so by ruling of the court, he will hit you." The death penalty works the same way.
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| This is one of the saddest and amzaing things i've seen [message #128172] |
Tue, 21 December 2004 13:36 |
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cowmisfit
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| cowmisfit |
If that was your wife, your daughter , sister w/e you wouldn't feel that way.
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You're right. I wouldn't feel the same way. But that doesn't mean that it is any more right to take another life. Legalized revenge defeats the entire purpose of justice and the purpose of the courts. Remember, revenge and restitution are two entirely different things, and while it is impossible to fully restitute the life of the deseased, killing off the killer does not give restitution either. Therefore, (and thankfully Canada is smart enough to realize this) it is outside the purpose of the law to grant death to anyone.
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so what your trying to say is, if it was your mother daughter sister wife w/e , you wouldn't feel the same way about killing the person, but as long as its someone else who has been hurt by one of these types of crimes, you don't care.
I hope you get a brain and some feelings for another human life for chirstmas.
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| This is one of the saddest and amzaing things i've seen [message #128173] |
Tue, 21 December 2004 13:38 |
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Javaxcx
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=gbull=[L]=]its not all about revenge, revenge is a bi-product of what the death penalty is, Not the main purpose. The main purpose of the death penalty is the deterence of commiting a murderous act. Do on to others as you would want others to do to you - you murder, you die. Simple as that. Makes abiding the law really easy doesnt it.
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Court rulings are not the "deterants" you claim them to be. They have deterent properties, but that is the nature of the statement "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". When law makers sit down, they don't say "how can we make this law so damning that people won't commit the act?" If they did, it would defeat the entire purpose of fairness that a trial and a judgement are MEANT to have. One could potentially change petty theft into an offense punishable by death as a "deterent". But that isn't very fair, now is it? That is why you have judges ruling restitutions equal to that which is lost (with the exceptions of pain and suffering and other subjective claims) and not billions of dollars for a stolen baseball card.
Remember, you don't go to court for revenge, you go to court to get returned to you what is rightfully yours. In the case of death, no complete restitution can be arranged because we cannot raise the dead. Now, if that statement is true, then killing those who kill does not give anyone anything, because restitution is not revenge, and therefore is (supposed to be) outside the court's abilities.
Perhaps Warranto can explain to you what restitution is supposed to mean in a court of law, and what the purpose of said court really is. He's the lawyer in training.
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