| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124040] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 07:42  |
buxton4
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Registered: October 2004
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After reading a topic below about making a scope, the discussion turned to the subject of clearscopes, there seemed to be a large variety of opinions on the subject, so post your opinions on clearscope below. I am very interested in what members think.
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124047] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 08:20  |
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glyde51
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Registered: August 2004
Location: Winnipeg
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It's a complete and utter cheat. People can zoom in AND see more than the intended target, which makes it a cheat. The scope was there so people cannot see other targets other than the one they want sniped, and clear scope goes against that.
No. Seriously. No.
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124091] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 10:46 |
dodge1tis
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Registered: November 2004
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ive never seen a ss of a clearscope, so i dont know, but from what i have picked up, i think of it more as cheap as a cheat, as in an unfiar advantage like broght white ions, but it doesnt actually modify any .w3d files or edit how objects are "hurt" so its more cheap than cheat untill i can see a ss
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124126] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 11:26 |
DytHlt
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Registered: April 2004
Location: Arozona
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In my eyes there are advantage skins and cheats in renegade. Cheats edit w3d files. Advantage skins don't touch w3d and give the user an advantage over others w/o the skins. Some servers allow advantage skins, some do not.
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124133] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 12:06 |
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m1a1_abrams
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Registered: August 2003
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Well if two players are of equal skill and one is using the clear scope whereas the other isn't, then technically it's going to give the former an advantage. However, as it has already been pointed out, it's not much of an advantage since your ability to aim isn't augmented in any way... only how much of the surrounding area you can see while zoomed in.
While some people may feel that any advantage that one person can get over another is a form of cheating, the playing field is always going to be somewhat uneven with regards to the different hardware the players are running the game on, their internet connection, etc. I'm not saying that this is the same as the slight advantage one player may have over another due to a better framerate, because it isn't. The comparison that I'm trying to draw between the two is that on the whole, the outcome of the game is not really going to be altered by these kinds of small differences between players. I would frown upon using a clear scope myself, but to ban people from servers for something that gives more aesthetic advantages to the user than anything else smells of a witch hunt to me.
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124139] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 12:22 |
2000_years
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Registered: November 2003
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It's a bit of a cheat. The user can see all what the black stuff hides, and so can see a mobius/PIC/expensive infantry to snipe when before he would have looked in another direction.
Getting rid of the green alone isn't really a cheat, as you get no advantage but it looks nicer.
I consider it less of cheat as glowing beacons, c4, and character skins though.
So many people seem to use Clearscope though, so if it was in a CBP so everyone could have it, I doubt I'd mind.
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124149] |
Sat, 04 December 2004 12:45 |
idebo
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Registered: October 2004
Location: Netherlands
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Cheating means that a player who cheats, has a advantage over other so he can win, wheter it's a clearscope or instant kill cheat, cheating is cheating. And so are the advantage skins such a green beacons/C4 and the clearscope.
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| Clear Scope - Do you think it is OK to use it? [message #124374] |
Sun, 05 December 2004 10:54 |
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Scythar
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Registered: February 2003
Location: Finland
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I think it's a cheat. And so is anything else that modifies the game to your advantage, in my opinion. The guestion is, when does a cheat become "too much"? Even beacon countdown mods were compared to cheating once they showed up (though not by many, but nevertheless), and now it's available in CP1, and accepted next to completely.
There's no answer to this, it's just about everyone's personal opinion. The clear field of the "crystal scope" is too much in my opinion, I don't mind the tint. On the other hand, players who play with 1600*1200 resolution can see TWICE as much as those who play with 800*600. That is clearly even a bigger issue than the clear scope, but nobody even considers it a cheat.
I would consider it as a minor cheat. Not allowed in Pure Mode, especially in clanmatches and other tournaments, but ok in public games. Just like the way it is.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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