| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115247] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 17:51   |
cokemaster
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ordinary citizens don't need assault rifles to hunt the odd duck or deer.
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Exactly. :rolleyes:
The only people who benefit from this are gun collectors (which is ok as long as they are sensible) or people who abuse them (which for those who didn't realize, thats bad).
Of course, there are many illegal ways of obtaining weapons and its extremely difficult to stop that but making the guns legal and easily obtainable... well I guess we'll see the results.
Here in New Zealand those types of weapons are banned and they'd aren't being unbanned anytime soon. Its also harder to get guns as well.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115249] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 17:55 |
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I illegally own and operate an M-16, semi-automatic 50.cal machine gun, A sniper rifle, and hand grenades. I use them all for hunting deer. Bought them from Shotgun news, Published three times a month.
the only thing I can say is this: ROFL!!!!
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115254] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 18:16 |
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Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! So predictable, SuperFlyingEngi, so predictable!!!
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So making it harder for criminals is a waste of time?
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I KNEW you would say that, which is why I said I'd only have to quote Nuke's second post when you did since he already addressed this argument....
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And the notion that any one type of weapon or another will "enable" criminals has been, and always will be rediculous. Criminals don't give a flying fuck what they use to commit a crime with, be it legal or illegal- they have already demonstrated that they don't care about the law by comitting FELONIES. What's a few years worth of imprisonment for a federal firearms charge if you're already facing execution for murder 1? What makes you think a criminal will care whether they got their firearm legally or through some douche on the black market? A SMART criminal wouldn't buy a LEGAL firearm in the first place- those leave a paper trail that leads right back to the owner. All any kind of ban or "gun control" law does is limit the ability of good, law-abiding citizens to defend themselves and their families.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115327] |
Sat, 18 September 2004 08:18 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Hydra, making criminals have to go through all of this illegal stuff before they can even commit the crime with illegal weapons allows a lot of them to be caught in the process of obtaining such weapons, instead of just paying Colt a vist and purchasing an assault rifle for some extra firepower in a hostage situation. But then, Colt would get a couple hundred dollars for selling the gun, so they got their NRA to buy the Republicans and make sure the assault weapons ban didn't come about again.
And I again say that almost all of our police chiefs want this ban re-instated. They want the people to be safe, not for some whackos with assault rifles firing on everyone.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115350] |
Sat, 18 September 2004 11:38 |
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Where are you pulling this "fact" that "almost all" police chiefs want the ban reinstated?
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Since when has modern life been about necessity?
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You forget who you're talking to. These are the same people who think that some people make "too much" and should have to "share".
I'm the bawss.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115354] |
Sat, 18 September 2004 12:31 |
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I illegally own and operate an M-16, semi-automatic 50.cal machine gun, A sniper rifle, and hand grenades. I use them all for hunting deer. Bought them from Shotgun news, Published three times a month.
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ROFL. WTF do you hunt?
cause = time
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115474] |
Sun, 19 September 2004 09:12 |
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And I again say that almost all of our police chiefs want this ban re-instated. They want the people to be safe, not for some whackos with assault rifles firing on everyone.
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From where I'm sitting, that's bullshit. I live in a very, VERY pro-gun-control area, and I know for a fact that both the boro and township police chiefs wanted the ban gone. Why? Because it wasn't doing a damn thing to make people safer.
And by the way, it is not in any way easy to aquire a firearm legally.
I applied for a firearms ID card one week after my birthday (August 9). It still hasn't come in, because the FBI and State Police are STILL doing background checks, filing away my fingerprints, etc. I have never been arrested, never comitted any crimes, have no traffic violations, and do not do drugs of any kind, but they are still going to scan their entire database from A to Z to see if they get any matches. And even after I'm cleared and have my Firearms ID card, I still can't buy a gun until I go through another background check.
Please tell me how that is easier than just buying a gun illegally. I will bet every cent I own that I would have had a gun by the end of August if I had bought one illegally. Since I am a law-abiding citizen, I probably won't be able to until some time in October.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115524] |
Sun, 19 September 2004 16:02 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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The difference between drugs and guns is that guns can be used responsibly, drugs are hardly ever used responsibly.
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One could say that guns are hardly ever used responsibly. You're forgetting that guns are often used in things I like to refer to as criminal acts, especially ones involving robbery. You can't rob a bank with a bag full of crack, but you sure can with an Uzi.
Guns present more danger to the general public than drugs do. People kill themselves with drugs, but people kill other people with guns. There should be restrictions on both.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115562] |
Sun, 19 September 2004 18:46 |
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Hydra
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One could say that guns are hardly ever used responsibly.
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Sure, one could say that, but he'd be wrong.
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You're forgetting that guns are often used in things I like to refer to as criminal acts, especially ones involving robbery. You can't rob a bank with a bag full of crack, but you sure can with an Uzi.
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You're forgetting those robberies are committed to obtain money with which to buy drugs.
You're also forgetting that even legal guns can be used in criminal acts, so going by your logic, we should ban all guns since they are often used in criminal acts. While we're at it, let's ban all knives since they can be and are often used in criminal acts. Let's ban rat and bug poison from being sold to the general public since they are also often used in criminal acts. I'm surprised you're not calling for a ban on all cars since they are involved with even more crimes than guns are.
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Guns present more danger to the general public than drugs do. People kill themselves with drugs, but people kill other people with guns. There should be restrictions on both.
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People mug other people in dark alleys at night in the city so they can use the money they just stole to buy drugs. They use the money they stole from the Piggly Wiggly down the street to buy a dimebag of crack. People kill other people for money to buy drugs.
Why should you hinder the responsible, law-abiding citizen's ability to defend himself from these attackers?
The one thing you fail to realize is that no matter how much we ban these "assault" weapons and how terrible we make the penalties, people will still be able to obtain them.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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) we want to be able to protect ourselves, and we want to be able to hunt. Do you really need an Ak-47 or an M16 to protect yourself from a robber? What about hunting?
