| Doom 3! [message #107653] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 10:13   |
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| smwScott |
And to the guy who said murder, rape, speeding, and piracy are all equally illegal, that's just stupid. Speeding isn't even a misdemeanor, and I'm not sure if piracy is even a felony. The legality of a crime is definitely on a sliding scale.
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You don't fucking get it, do you? THEY'RE ALL ILLEGAL! OMG...how could that be??? All of them illegal? GOM!!!!
That's what I'm trying to get across. No matter how you look at it, they're all ILLEGAL. I-L-L-E-G-A-L.
illegal
\Il*le"gal\, a. [Pref. il- not + legal: cf. F. ill['e]gal.] Not according to, or authorized by, law; specif., contrary to, or in violation of, human law; unlawful; illicit; hence, immoral; as, an illegal act; illegal trade; illegal love.
It's all against the law, therefore related to each other. I didn't say they're on the same level of severity. I'm saying that they're all illegal. I never said that speeding is as bad rape, but they are still ILLEGAL. Do you get it now, moron?
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| Doom 3! [message #107677] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 11:17 |
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| xC4pRoX |
I've yet to hear someone say "oh my god that little boy molested girls in kindergarden... chances are when he grows older and learns how to use computers he'll download games off the internet!!!"
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That's because it'd be ridiculous to say.
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| Doom 3! [message #107707] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 12:13 |
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IceSword7
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So you guys are so anti-piracy howcome you arent the nazi's that are passing around the petition to get kazaa banned from the internet.
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| Doom 3! [message #107710] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 12:22 |
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| IceSword7 |
So you guys are so anti-piracy howcome you arent the nazi's that are passing around the petition to get kazaa banned from the internet.
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Easy, I do it too. I'm just making the point that it's illegal no matter how you look at it. I speed, I drink, I download music (90% is on a disc i have, but some songs aren't), I pirate software. Well, mostly just the outrageously costing software. It's still piracy either way.
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| Doom 3! [message #107711] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 12:23 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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You can be against something without actively trying to ban everything that could possibly lead to such illegal activies. Besides, KaZaA can be used for good purposes, just not enough people do.
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| Doom 3! [message #107713] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 12:28 |
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ViperFUD
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So you guys are so anti-piracy howcome you arent the nazi's that are passing around the petition to get kazaa banned from the internet.
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Personally, I'm a huge fan of the OpenSource project. I've worked on a few GNU things, I'm registered with that shit I can't remember what it's called (I'll edit this post when I remember), and basically every program I've released I put under the GPL.
HOWEVER: I have neve released anything on the scale of a 3-D video game. I have huge respect for the people who do. Give them their money. You couldn't do the shit they do; it's no fair to just take it and feel like you're entitled to it. That's like you building a house; then, after you're done, I move in with you. I say, "Well, it would cost too much for me to build this house, and I want somewhere to live. Since you have one, and it won't hurt you to have me in here, I'll just move in. Oh, and I'm inviting some other people I met over Kazaa."
That shit would piss you the fuck off. And it's the same fuckin thing for VG developers.
As for downloading vs rape/murder: indeed, they are very different. However, my point was this: they are both symptomatic of the same thing - a lack of respect for others and concern about their well being. While you say you wouldn't kill someone or rape someone, I wonder. After all, if you can't be trusted in the small things, I sure as hell wouldn't trust you with the large ones.
~Viper - who WOULD kill certain people if it were legal to do so.
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And we shall flow a river forth to thee,
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| Doom 3! [message #107717] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 12:36 |
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smwScott
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Yeah, I don't hold much stock in future EA games. The LOTR RTS has my attention, I'll give it a try. I don't care at all about that Goldeneye game, I think it's just a cheap marketing ploy to try to dilute the name of the original down to the quality of their mediocre crap. I liked the past MOH games, but I'm not too sure about Pacific Assault, I'll wait and see. Atari is just as bad though with their destruction of the Matrix license and incredibly poor use of Terminator. Driver 3 was a decent game but pushed out the door way too early, which makes no sense because it wasn't even a peak season.
And to jball, I see you've become quite angry at me  . The point you made in that post is not the same one you were making earlier. Before, you stated that they are all equally illegal, which isn't true. In your newest rant, you've dropped down to saying that they're all illegal, which is obviously true and no one is trying to debate it. The point I was making in the post was that the government does classify crimes as more illegal than others, which is also obvious. This is a stupid argument, and you're being childish about it, I'm not going to continue a debate about which is more illegal than the other.
-smwScott
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| Doom 3! [message #107721] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 12:44 |
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| smwScott |
And to jball, I see you've become quite angry at me . The point you made in that post is not the same one you were making earlier. Before, you stated that they are all equally illegal, which isn't true. In your newest rant, you've dropped down to saying that they're all illegal, which is obviously true and no one is trying to debate it. The point I was making in the post was that the government does classify crimes as more illegal than others, which is also obvious. This is a stupid argument, and you're being childish about it, I'm not going to continue a debate about which is more illegal than the other.
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Angry? No. Just frustrated at your lack of understanding.
I never said they were equally illegal, at least I didn't mean to. When I said are all the same in legality, I meant it as that they are all illegal, as in they contain no legality because they're illegal. Look at my previous posts before that one. The whole time i've been saying that they're all illegal. I never said that piracy is as serious as rape or muder. My point the entire time is that a crime is a crime and to say that piracy is okay because it's better than murder is just idiotic. Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but I figured that most idiots would understand.
Why am I being childish? Is it because I'm proving my point?
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| Doom 3! [message #107740] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 13:49 |
AlostSOul
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You can prove a point in a non-childish fashoin jball.
Piracy isn't better than rape or murder. It's equal to both crimes, for the exception that your not f*cking someone and your not killing them. downloading is also known as "pirating music/games" is stealing from the music artist/group. So in the end your both losing in a sense. The band/artsit is losing money, and you just got tracked by the police, so is it really worth the effort? I wouldn't think so.
the only thing I can say is this: ROFL!!!!
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| Doom 3! [message #107793] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 17:38 |
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smwScott
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^^^
When I read it I couldn't believe somebody actually wrote that down. It's unbelievable how some people think.
And Ferhago, game sales greatly affect the developer. Sure they've already made their money off of the first shipment, but if the game continues to sell well then they the developer will have a constant source of income. Also, as phlakaton told us, the individuals on the team get a bonus depending on how well the game sells.
-smwScott
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| Doom 3! [message #107814] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 20:38 |
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ViperFUD
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| smwScott |
Before, you stated that they are all equally illegal, which isn't true. In your newest rant, you've dropped down to saying that they're all illegal, which is obviously true and no one is trying to debate it.
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Actually, you're wrong. They are all equally illegal.
Legality (or illegality) is an absolute. Something is either illegal or it isn't. There are no degrees of "illegal."
Now, you might argue that a thing is more wrong than something else, and I won't debate that. But they are, after all, equally illegal.
PS. AlostSoul == Sw33t IS a fuckin idiot.
And shepherds we shall be,
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from thy hand;
That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command.
And we shall flow a river forth to thee,
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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| Doom 3! [message #107815] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 20:47 |
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| AlostSOul |
You can prove a point in a non-childish fashoin jball.
Piracy isn't better than rape or murder. It's equal to both crimes, for the exception that your not f*cking someone and your not killing them. downloading is also known as "pirating music/games" is stealing from the music artist/group. So in the end your both losing in a sense. The band/artsit is losing money, and you just got tracked by the police, so is it really worth the effort? I wouldn't think so.
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I wasn't acting childish. Explain to me how I was? I was proving my point and he kept ignoring it. So I'll say this now, get your story straight, sw33t.
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| Doom 3! [message #107816] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 21:00 |
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Legality (or illegality) is an absolute. Something is either illegal or it isn't. There are no degrees of "illegal."
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I guess it's open to interpretation on the word illegal. Sure if something is illegal then that's all there is to it, it is illegal. By the same token a misdomeanor could also be interpreted to be less illegal than a felony judging by legal classification and punishment. Grammatically speaking you're entirely correct, they're both illegal. But the grammatical definition of illegal wasn't exactly my point.
-smwScott
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| Doom 3! [message #107859] |
Sat, 14 August 2004 06:12 |
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You know, instead of pulling a Bill Clinton and arguing on what the definition of "illegal" is, you could just open your eyes to the obvious fact that there's varying degrees in the criminal justice system and that ALL crimes are illegal. Some just carry a larger punishment than others do.
IT WAS THAT SIMPLE!
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I still don't think that they get it.
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| Doom 3! [message #107866] |
Sat, 14 August 2004 06:41 |
tooncy
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They don't. Just let them wallow in their idiocy.
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