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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103214] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 04:37   |
mahkra
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I don't know what Mad Ivan's talking about; the wrench looks horrible.
*1* Why is it so pointy?
*2* The grip is way too short. It should be about half the length of the shaft (or whatever you want to call that.. the "lever arm" maybe?)
*3* The grip should NOT be rubber; it should just be metal with a grippy texture. Even today, most wrenches have metal grips rather than rubber, and RenAlert is supposed to be set decades ago. Also, during wartimes, rubber is a VERY important commodity, so I find it incredibly unrealistic that it would be wasted on a wrench grip.
*4* Most socket wrenches have a raised section at the socket end so you can grab onto it and turn it (which reverses the direction of ratcheting) -- see the following website for a picture: http://www.shoppingforever.com/gatorgrip.htm
I do have one positive thing to say though: I like the way the GM Goodwrench logo turned out.
EDIT: You can also pretty clearly see what I meant by a "textured metal grip" in the first picture on that website.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103217] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 04:54 |
Jzinsky
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European city boys fix things, southern country boys patch it up so it works for a bit
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103236] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 06:23 |
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| mahkra |
I don't know what Mad Ivan's talking about; the wrench looks horrible.
*1* Why is it so pointy?
*2* The grip is way too short. It should be about half the length of the shaft (or whatever you want to call that.. the "lever arm" maybe?)
*3* The grip should NOT be rubber; it should just be metal with a grippy texture. Even today, most wrenches have metal grips rather than rubber, and RenAlert is supposed to be set decades ago. Also, during wartimes, rubber is a VERY important commodity, so I find it incredibly unrealistic that it would be wasted on a wrench grip.
*4* Most socket wrenches have a raised section at the socket end so you can grab onto it and turn it (which reverses the direction of ratcheting) -- see the following website for a picture: http://www.shoppingforever.com/gatorgrip.htm
I do have one positive thing to say though: I like the way the GM Goodwrench logo turned out.
EDIT: You can also pretty clearly see what I meant by a "textured metal grip" in the first picture on that website.
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1. It's not "pointy," it's just not perfectly rounded because that uses tons of polys.
2. Not all socket wrenches are like the on in your picture, a lot don't even have grips.
3. That's WW2, Red Alert and RenAlert have nothing to do with that. Show me where it said rubber was a "VERY important commodity" in Red Alert.
4. Not all socket wrenches do that either, and since the mechanic doesn't take vehicles apart, I don't see why it's needed...
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sorry, i wasnt paying attention again 
I was asking what vehicle repairman will the soviets get
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They don't have one
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103242] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 06:43 |
KIRBY098
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You obviously do not own quality tools. I have $7,000.00 in Snap-On Tools in my basement/garage. All high grade and every one of my ratchet wrenches have rubber grip handles.
GJ guys. 
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103243] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 07:06 |
mahkra
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| mahkra |
I don't know what Mad Ivan's talking about; the wrench looks horrible.
*1* Why is it so pointy?
*2* The grip is way too short. It should be about half the length of the shaft (or whatever you want to call that.. the "lever arm" maybe?)
*3* The grip should NOT be rubber; it should just be metal with a grippy texture. Even today, most wrenches have metal grips rather than rubber, and RenAlert is supposed to be set decades ago. Also, during wartimes, rubber is a VERY important commodity, so I find it incredibly unrealistic that it would be wasted on a wrench grip.
*4* Most socket wrenches have a raised section at the socket end so you can grab onto it and turn it (which reverses the direction of ratcheting) -- see the following website for a picture: http://www.shoppingforever.com/gatorgrip.htm
I do have one positive thing to say though: I like the way the GM Goodwrench logo turned out.
EDIT: You can also pretty clearly see what I meant by a "textured metal grip" in the first picture on that website.
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1. It's not "pointy," it's just not perfectly rounded because that uses tons of polys.
2. Not all socket wrenches are like the on in your picture, a lot don't even have grips.
3. That's WW2, Red Alert and RenAlert have nothing to do with that. Show me where it said rubber was a "VERY important commodity" in Red Alert.
4. Not all socket wrenches do that either, and since the mechanic doesn't take vehicles apart, I don't see why it's needed...
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1 - Actually, it IS pointy. And by that I mean the wrench is pointy compared to the circle inside of it. I'm not a dumbass; I know it's not actually a circle but just an approximation of a circle. But the end of the wrench is not as round as the "circle" right next to it. And that makes it look pointy.
2 - "A lot don't even have grips." Yeah, I know that. Most of them just have a texture on the metal handle. That's exactly what I was talking about in point #3.
3 - Do any of the vehicles have tires? Those are made of rubber. ANYTHING that you use on military vehicles or weapons becomes a "very important commodity" during wartime. That's just a simple fact. (Also, what about the soles of the soldiers' boots? etc., etc., etc.)
4 - He doesn't take things apart? What if there's a broken part? How does he remove it to put the new part on? Does he just whack it with a hammer until it falls off? ... Plus, it'd make the wrench look a lot nicer.
I'm not trying to be an ass here; I'm trying to offer constructive criticism. (Notice that every time I said something was wrong, I suggested how to fix it.) I've spent more than six years of my life working as a carpenter, and I know what a socket wrench looks like. And ACK's model & texture, my friend, do NOT look like a socket wrench. They look like a cheap toy.
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You obviously do not own quality tools. I have $7,000.00 in Snap-On Tools in my basement/garage. All high grade and every one of my ratchet wrenches have rubber grip handles.
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First, you may notice that I said "most" do not have rubber grips. I'm well aware that some do.
Second, if you're spending $7,000 on socket wrenches and the like just to get rubber grips on them, that's just plain silly. You can get perfectly good tools for MUCH less money than that. And a rubber grip really doesn't make the tool work any better.
(By the way, I just glanced at the Snap-On Tools website, and their tools appear to be VERY overpriced. $300 for something I can buy somewhere else for less than $40? That's a pretty huge discrepancy.)
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103276] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 09:24 |
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K9Trooper
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| K9Trooper |
You obviously do not own quality tools. I have $7,000.00 in Snap-On Tools in my basement/garage. All high grade and every one of my ratchet wrenches have rubber grip handles.
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First, you may notice that I said "most" do not have rubber grips. I'm well aware that some do.
Second, if you're spending $7,000 on socket wrenches and the like just to get rubber grips on them, that's just plain silly. You can get perfectly good tools for MUCH less money than that. And a rubber grip really doesn't make the tool work any better.
(By the way, I just glanced at the Snap-On Tools website, and their tools appear to be VERY overpriced. $300 for something I can buy somewhere else for less than $40? That's a pretty huge discrepancy.)
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FYI, one of my hobbies is auto racing. I was a mechanic for a racing team for many years before I got married.
$300.00 is a very good price for a tool that gets abused and used. Lifetime warranty and they can stand up to almost any kind of abuse you could think of. Drop one of my ratchets and a "$40.00" ratchet from a 3rd floor window to the concrete below. Which one do you think will work afterwards?  Not to mention the fact mine are made in the good ole US of A and in my home state of Wisconsin
Rubber grips are a lot better. Your hands will not slip off if they are wet and you are less likely to rip your palms apart because of slipping. Rubber handles are just as much a safety device as they are for comfort
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103281] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 09:34 |
mahkra
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SnapOn tools have a lifetime warranty, one of the reasons they cost so much.
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But they're still 5x as expensive as a quality tool I can get at my local Menards. So I'd have to break my socket wrench 5 times for SnapOn to be worth the money (which is unlikely; my dad's been a carpenter for 20 years and has broken less than a dozen tools in that time).
Also, many less expensive tools also have good warranties.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103287] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 12:21 |
mahkra
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FYI, one of my hobbies is auto racing. I was a mechanic for a racing team for many years before I got married.
$300.00 is a very good price for a tool that gets abused and used. Lifetime warranty and they can stand up to almost any kind of abuse you could think of. Drop one of my ratchets and a "$40.00" ratchet from a 3rd floor window to the concrete below. Which one do you think will work afterwards? Not to mention the fact mine are made in the good ole US of A and in my home state of Wisconsin
Rubber grips are a lot better. Your hands will not slip off if they are wet and you are less likely to rip your palms apart because of slipping. Rubber handles are just as much a safety device as they are for comfort
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Hey, I'm also from WI! 
Well, I had typed up a reply a couple hours ago, but the internet ate it, and then I couldn't connect to the site again for a while, so I'll try to remember what I'd said....
I have in fact dropped socket wrenches and things from second and third story windows & roofs before, sometimes onto concrete, and none of them have ever broken. In fact, I think the only tool I've ever broken (apart from drill bits and Sawzall blades and other such things that inevitably wear out with use) is a tape measure and some really crappy screwdrivers (both were free though, so I guess you get what you pay for....) It's been my experience that tools generally don't break as long as you use them how they're intended to be used.
Also, while I agree that a rubber grip is a bit nicer, I don't see it as necessary in any way. I've never had problems with metal hurting my hands, and I've never had problems with a wrench slipping out of my hands. (On something like a hammer, though, I'd agree that a rubber grip is quite beneficial. You do NOT want a hammer to slip out of your sweaty hands while you're swinging it.)
As far as auto racing stuff goes, maybe the rubber grip is actually better. Maybe if your hands are always covered in oil it becomes a lot harder to hold onto a wrench that doesn't have a rubber grip. I wouldn't know, because I've never done that stuff.
If you (and Blazer, and anyone else) think it's worth the money to get good (though expensive) tools with a lifetime warranty, then go for it. For me, though, it just doesn't make sense. I've never had any problems with more affordable tools breaking. Sure, the super-cheap ones are shit and break in 5 minutes, but there's a middle range where tools are affordable but still don't break easily. (And even *if* they did, I could replace them a couple times and still not be spending all that much money.) And for me, that's the kind of tools that make sense.
In any case, though, that's not really the issue. The real issue is this: Is it more important to have a rubber grip on the socket wrench, or is it more important to have tires on the humvee? Or boots on the soldier? Or belts keeping the tanks' engines running? In times of war, supplies are always limited. And that rubber can only be used for one thing.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103288] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 12:22 |
KIRBY098
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I think that those of you who haven't broken one these are fortunate. I have destroyed no less than four of these @#$% things working on Demo Derby cars.
Ever since I got my Snap on one, no problems.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103289] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 12:23 |
KIRBY098
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| mahkra |
In times of war, supplies are always limited. And that rubber can only be used for one thing.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103308] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 13:17 |
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| http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1711 |
Natural rubber has been available for centuries, synthetic rubber for less than a hundred years. Although man began experimenting with synthetic rubber in 1906, not until after World War II did he improve the quality to the point that it rivalled that of natural rubber. Wartime necessity became the impetus for the emergence of synthetic rubber on a large-scale basis when governments began building plants to offset natural rubber shortages.
Synthetic rubber plants were built around the world after 1945, primarily in Europe, North America, and Japan. In 1960 the use of synthetic rubber surpassed that of natural for the first time. Synthetic rubber has maintained the lead ever since.
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Since Red Alert is based around the 60s, and not WWII, the above quote discards your 'there are rubber shortages in war / rubber can only be used for one thing since it's supplies are very limited'.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103315] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 13:37 |
mahkra
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It was modeled from a real socket wrench, and that's what I made it look like. I doubt the Allies are going to give the Mechanics a poor tool that can't bolt armor back onto a tank to get it back into action.
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Let's revisit my points, as they apply to the picture:
1 - The socket wrench in the picture clearly has a rounded head. Your model is pointed.
2 - The grip in that picture covers about half the length of the shaft. The grip in your model only covers about 2/5 of the shaft.
3 - The wrench pictured has a rubber grip, but I contend that it is unrealistic to use that wrench as your model. The wrench in the picture is too modern for RA, and I think it wastes too much rubber for it to be used in wartime.
4 - Again, the model you're using is much too new to fit into the RA universe. I'm merely telling you what a wrench of that era should look like, because your model is inappropriately modern.
Also, Sir Phoenixx, isn't the premise of RA that someone went back in time and killed Hitler, so WWII (vs. the Germans) never happened, but then WWII happened in the '60s vs the Soviets instead?| Sir Phoenixx |
Wartime necessity became the impetus for the emergence of synthetic rubber on a large-scale basis when governments began building plants to offset natural rubber shortages.
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Since WWII never happened, this impetus never happened. Synthetic rubber would not emerge on a large scale until after the RA version of WWII. So during RA, there would still be rubber shortages.
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| Renegade Alert Socket Wrench [message #103317] |
Thu, 22 July 2004 13:46 |
mahkra
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| Aircraftkiller |
I don't care... I have it the way I want it to be.
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| Aircraftkiller |
This thread isn't a "reborn bash fest" either, it's simply to show that they don't give a damn about what anyone thinks.
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| Cypher [PCNC |
] :rolleyes: And you do?
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| Aircraftkiller |
Of course I do. If I didn't, why would I ask you for advice?
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I really think you should stop bashing Reborn, ACK. You're just as bad as they are.
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