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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62690] |
Mon, 19 January 2004 17:36   |
Alkaline
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| Imdgr8one |
btw- you can copyright names, you don't see me go about telling how great my McDonalds Mexican Restaraunt is, now do you?
Who's the dofus?
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YOU ARE
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html
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How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases.
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Can I copyright my domain name?
Copyright law does not protect domain names.
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Can I copyright the name of my band?
No. Names are not protected by copyright law.
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Satisfied? DOFUS! 
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62691] |
Mon, 19 January 2004 17:44 |
Alkaline
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| msgtpain |
I'm confused.. if I'm full of shit, what links did you have to remove?
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The individual links, there were 2 sections, you could download the map pack or you could go download each map individually, for the individual download I link to your site and cncden, but not direcly to your map files. so before a person would download a map then would go to your site not to your map file.
Anyway, now they won't even have to do that as I uploaded each invidiual map, before you were getting traffic to your site, now that won't even happen. 
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62718] |
Mon, 19 January 2004 23:49 |
Alkaline
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| speedy059 |
I thought you removed links to files that where hosted on his server?
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No, I never linked to his files, I linked to his site from where users could download the files. But he claimed I was linking to his files 
After his bitching, I even removed links to his site.
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62722] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 01:19 |
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warranto
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Location: Alberta, Canada
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| Alkaline |
| Imdgr8one |
btw- you can copyright names, you don't see me go about telling how great my McDonalds Mexican Restaraunt is, now do you?
Who's the dofus?
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YOU ARE
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html
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How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases.
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Can I copyright my domain name?
Copyright law does not protect domain names.
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Can I copyright the name of my band?
No. Names are not protected by copyright law.
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Satisfied? DOFUS!
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LOL gotta love people who claim to know what they are talking about by only using PART of the given information.
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Can I copyright my domain name?
Copyright law does not protect domain names.
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True, copyrights do not protect it, but that doesn't mean just anyone can use it. there are places such as the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) that resolve disputes of this nature.
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Can I copyright the name of my band?
No. Names are not protected by copyright law.
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How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases.
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Also true that Copyrights do not protect that, however they CAN be protected as a trademark, Service mark, or Registered trademark.
Is there much of a difference? Not really, the only nig difference is what they protect. So you were technically right when you said that the name McDonalds can't be copyrighted, but it's still protected as a registered trademark.
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62740] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 06:50 |
Alkaline
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But renmaps isn't trademarked now is it smartass?
Unlike copyrights, trademarks aren't free now are they? YOu can' just go around trademarking anything you want :rolleyes:
And I quoted only the parts I needed, only the parts that would make him look like a ignorant idiot. I know what I'm talking about, he does not, not for you for that matter, far all you knew trademark/copyright were the same thing as well. DOn't argue this with me you will be wrong always.
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62757] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 09:37 |
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England
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Alkaline you wont get far in this community if you continue to disrespect one of the more respected server admins.
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just shooting his mouth.
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You wanna becareful who YOU shoot your mouth off to.
In the end it doesn't matter if you are who you say you are. You will still mean nothing to me.
When i have kids, everytime i drive past a fast food restaurant, im gonna punch my kid in the face, then they'll never wanna come..
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62775] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 11:39 |
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warranto
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| Alkaline |
But renmaps isn't trademarked now is it smartass?
Unlike copyrights, trademarks aren't free now are they? YOu can' just go around trademarking anything you want :rolleyes:
And I quoted only the parts I needed, only the parts that would make him look like a ignorant idiot. I know what I'm talking about, he does not, not for you for that matter, far all you knew trademark/copyright were the same thing as well. DOn't argue this with me you will be wrong always.
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It might not be trademarked now, but YES it IS free! A bit of information... RESEARCH your topics before you challange me.
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What is a trademark or service mark?
A trademark is a word, phrase, symbol or design, or a combination of words, phrases, symbols or designs, that identifies and distinguishes the source of the goods of one party from those of others.
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Now that you know what exactly a trademark is... what has to be done to trademark it?
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Is registration of my mark required?
No. You can establish rights in a mark based on legitimate use of the mark. However, owning a federal trademark registration on the Principal Register provides several advantages, e.g.,
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When can I use the trademark symbols TM, SM and ®?
Any time you claim rights in a mark, you may use the "TM" (trademark) or "SM" (service mark) designation to alert the public to your claim, regardless of whether you have filed an application with the USPTO. However, you may use the federal registration symbol "®" only after the USPTO actually registers a mark, and not while an application is pending. Also, you may use the registration symbol with the mark only on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the federal trademark registration.
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So.. with the research complete, you can plainly see that all he has to to is put the little "TM" after the name, and it's his! The only bennifit registering it would do is provide further legal proof that the mark is his.
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62815] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 15:01 |
Alkaline
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No, your wrong again. He can't put TM on it, it won't make a difference, because its not registered and he can claim rights to it just as much as I can, in fact anyone can claim rights to it and have just as much ownership.
The fact is Trademarks aren't given out on the whim, renmaps is too big of a genrealization and won't be given a trade mark because it isn't unique and too simple. Same thing happened to xerox, when they coined the term xerox it and photocopy, these words are used without the owners persmission.
Its the same reason why http://www.renegadeforums.com can't be trademarked, because its too general and not unique enough. Apple.com was owned by an apple farmer, apple inc could not take the domain from him and had to buy it. So mgstpain has no control over renmaps.net or the word renmaps, he can even register a federal trademark but they won't give him the domain renmaps.net.
I know what I'm talking about, you don't. A non registered tm is as good as as a verbal contract, which is shit, when it comes to ownership rights. :rolleyes:
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62878] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 21:49 |
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warranto
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2 posts, no use quoting them both.
So, you go ahead and quote from an outside source, HOPING that there is a slight chance that they may be right? Go right ahead! I'll just give the definition that the GOVERMENT (IE the people that authorize the registered trademarks) uses!
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What is a trademark or service mark?
A trademark is a word, phrase, symbol or design, or a combination of words, phrases, symbols or designs, that identifies and distinguishes the source of the goods of one party from those of others.
A service mark is the same as a trademark, except that it identifies and distinguishes the source of a service rather than a product. Throughout this booklet, the terms "trademark" and "mark" refer to both trademarks and service marks.
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Is registration of my mark required?
No. You can establish rights in a mark based on legitimate use of the mark.
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So, if your going to try to prove me wrong, please do so in a way that I have no other option but accepting that you are right? Also realize that there is a difference in a trademark, and a registered trademark, but I'll leave it up to you to research, as it seems you need the practice.
Oh, but I have seem to have missed something! You seem to pull this idea, almost out of thin air, that I seem to suggest that domains can be trademarked. Never did I even mention this! Why? Because you CAN'T trademark domains! However, he can trademark the renmaps name, "based on the legitimate use of the mark". Meaning if he has a ligitimate use of it, oh say by supplying the community with maps and having the name "Renmaps" publicized because of it, he can legitimatly trademark the name! Sure you can keep your domain as "Renmaps.net" but that would be as far as the use of that name could go.
Of course this is all if he does infact decide to trademark the name.
Edit: oh, whats this? I took a closer look at your source of information, and you have -once again- seemed to omit certain things that are mentioned that would degrade your stance!
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trademark indicates the source of goods or services. As this definition implies, you must be supplying some sort of goods or services in order to claim trademark protection.
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Well, maybe your source IS reasonable after all! Renmaps.com provides goods and services to the Renegade community!
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What is a trademark? A trademark indicates the source of goods or services.
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Ah! The source of the goods or services! My, that sort of falls under MY explination! Renmaps can't be trademarked as a word, but it CAN be trademarked at the place that provides "goods and services" to the community! Kind of like when I said: "Meaning if he has a ligitimate use of it, oh say by supplying the community with maps and having the name "Renmaps" publicized because of it, he can legitimatly trademark the name!". Just add on that the "name" can be trademarked only as far as a place that provides the goods and services.
Edit2: you know what? I'll save you the effort of restating you quote again, and just reject it now.
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Unless they are actually selling the product in commerce or intend to sell the product in commerce, they cannot obtain trademark protection.
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sell ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sl)
v. sold, (sld) sell·ing, sells
v. tr.
To exchange or deliver for money or its equivalent.
Once again, the sale of goods and services does not have to be in exchance of money. Any other form of "reward" can also be acceptable, if deemed to have equivlent value. With most internet sites, they provide a service and in return they get hopefully large number of hits in return from some form of reccomendation.
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| Renmaps.cjb.net Server is now full time. [message #62882] |
Tue, 20 January 2004 23:09 |
Alkaline
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| warranto |
Once again, the sale of goods and services does not have to be in exchance of money. Any other form of "reward" can also be acceptable,.
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see this is where you fuck up, your entire post is meaningless because your assuming something and hoping it to be true, "reward" is some bullshit you made up, its not legal tender. Renmaps.com isn't selling anything to the public, hence the use of "renmaps" in other places cases is entirely acceptable. Nor can you claim any right to renmaps.net because trademarks do not cover owning domian names, e.g. why somone can own http://www.dodgeviper.com and dodge the company can't do anything about it.
Unlike you I provided hard facts, your argument is bases upon your stupid assumption which is WRONG, once again. Give it up, and move on silly man. :twisted:
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