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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45176] |
Wed, 03 September 2003 21:37   |
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Crimson
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Each file will be approved not for the type of file it is (a gun model), but whether it's an unfair advantage. So your gun mod that looks cool is fine, but your gun mod that makes it huge is not fine.
I'm the bawss.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45179] |
Wed, 03 September 2003 21:46 |
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YSLMuffins
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Actually, shooting the gun does do damage. thats usually how I shoot people that are hiding around the corner in sniper battles. If their gun shows, they take body shot damage.
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...which explains why I sometimes hear metal when the bullet strikes my opponent...
-YSLMuffins
The goddess of all (bread products)
See me online as yslcheeze
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45217] |
Thu, 04 September 2003 07:12 |
htdavid
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but it is a NORMAL MACHINE gun.....does it really matter??? I want to upload a picture of my pistol and machine gun here....but no clue how to do such...............how do you upload picture here
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45219] |
Thu, 04 September 2003 07:31 |
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Wizard17
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Crimson et al,
Excellent work! Cheaters were threatening to kill my favourite game and I would like to express my gratitude for all the good work you and the rest of the people involved in getting rid of cheats and cheaters is doing.
My son runs a Counterstrike Server, Ghosts 1.5 bot server and he is REALLY strict with cheaters. His server checks incoming players and if they have cheatcodes they are permantly banned from his server. Hopefully we can do the same for Renegade!
Is there any potential to set up a community database so that those running servers can list the cheaters? I know that there is a problem with banning by IPs but how about banning by game serial number which I am told is what the moderators on RenBattle do. An Admin accessible database listing the cheaters would stop them dead as they would soon not be able to play on ANY server and would quickly lose interest.
Keep up the good work!
Wiz
New Laws
The Law of Avoiding Oversell: When putting cheese in a mousetrap, always leave room for the mouse.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45500] |
Fri, 05 September 2003 12:13 |
Neodarrh
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crimsons one step further to make it br.net the only servers and also adding to her ego and power! this is one reason the person made this mod, is because they are tired of all you freaking hosts and mods just booting people at any second with no evidence and one sided stories of 'oh so-and-so cheating boot dem plz' and before they can reply you boot them. maybe this game deserves to die, and actually your program might be in violation of EA because the 'hack' out there is just a mod, something they wanted to put in game, you are writing a .exe to run along with renegade, a third party program not designed for renegade so therefore a violation of the EULA.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45523] |
Fri, 05 September 2003 12:45 |
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Crimson
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Go to hell. EA acknowledges that RenGuard is being made and they have no objections.
I'm the bawss.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45552] |
Fri, 05 September 2003 13:36 |
Neodarrh
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What, did I hit a bad spot? aww, how sad cause you know what I am saying is true. you are just looking for more power and for the renegade community to conform to what you want. If you really cared for renegade you would provide RenGard TO ALL SERVERS. not to just your lil community. I have nothing against rengaurd coming out cause now i can kill people and they cant whine that im cheating, but dont try to say you are coming out with this just to save the game, you are doing it to save your servers and make you more powerful in the community. If you truely dont want to be queen of the uptight jerk hosts who kick everyone in a instant they disagree with them, make the prog public or at least make it where they have to have at least 5 constructive posts here then let them have it, dont make them conform to your br.net servers.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45591] |
Fri, 05 September 2003 15:35 |
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Crimson
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RenGuard will be available to ALL SERVERS who want to use it.
I am not the author of RenGuard. Mac is. I am like PR and the website person.
I'm the bawss.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45878] |
Mon, 08 September 2003 06:02 |
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mac
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If you really cared for renegade you would provide RenGard TO ALL SERVERS.
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Go inform yourself, before you make accusations. The RenGuard server side is open and will be provided to anyone who requests them, assuming they have another administration program running than BR.Net or brenbot.
But you have to implement this yourself. If you use BR.net or brenbot you don't have to do anything, just update your administration program.
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| ANTI-CHEAT PROJECT [message #45945] |
Mon, 08 September 2003 12:40 |
fl00d3d
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*SPECIAL NOTE* If there are any existing efforts, please consolidate under the project that we are running. There has been a lot of TALK about producing the anti-cheats, but no working end product. What we need to do is consolidate our efforts into a single product. Please review the following message that I have shared with all of the major clans.
RENEGADE PLAYERS:
For those of you that are not aware, there is an anti-cheat project in development.
To the people that created the cheats and/or use them:
Please discontinue the use of these cheats. They prohibit fair gameplay and discourage people from playing the game online. While it may be entertaining to "mess around" with a cheat once and awhile, continued use severly undermines the stability of the gaming community.
To the people that refuse to cheat and/or want to help create anti-cheats:
A few programmers and renegade players have got together and discussed high level plans to create anti-cheats. The application and details of this anti-cheat are "classified" and will not be revealed to the general public (only to the team members that help create them).
To find out more information about this project (or to become a member of the anti-cheat team), please visit the following website:
http://www.tsunami-alliance.com/anticheats/index.htm
Regards,
The Anti-cheat Team
TSUNAMI ALLIANCE
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #45972] |
Mon, 08 September 2003 15:19 |
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Crimson
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We already have the most brilliant minds in the community working on RenGuard. People like mac (who leads the team and is coding the server-side), Scorpio9a, Dante, Blazer, and we're also getting information from Codewench who worked for the former Westwood Studios and had vital knowledge of the inner workings of the game.
Furthermore, FearHQ is programming the client side of the application in pure ASM and it's really slick and efficient.
The RenGuard applications and protocol have been in development for over a month. Don't accept any imitations.
fl00d3d, if you are serious about wanting to help with an anti-cheat application, please contact me via PM on these forums and I can get you in touch with the RenGuard team.
I'm the bawss.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #46061] |
Mon, 08 September 2003 19:39 |
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Wizard17
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Crimson,
Your rap sheet on the bottom of you sig shows no stats - unlike some of the others using it. Is that because Crimson is spelled differently there than in your sig or because your is not linked to WOL?
Wiz
New Laws
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #46118] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 06:26 |
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Crimson
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I am in close contact with most of the people who run servers for Renegade. I am not aware of any software or solution as effective as RenGuard. Most server owners plan to use RenGuard, so anyone else who wants to make a software product will be a month behind in development and light years behind in PR.
You can reach me in the n00bstories IRC channel --
irc.n00bstories.com #n00bstories
Or visit http://www.n00bstories.com/irc.php for connection information and a handy java applet if you don't have an IRC client.
I'm the bawss.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #46287] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 18:43 |
PsY
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Not a flame.
Can anyone on the team actually code well? Punkbuster was coded by hardcore programmers/coders (and there were still ways around it), but you just have a few guys from the community and some guy sending you little bits of coding.
Not a threat.
Dont expect it to be 100% solid because, as I said, punkbuster was coded by professionals and hardcore coders and there were ways around it, and this has, no offense, you guys, just some members of the community.
Renegade/Generals: LtPsY
Planet Side/WC3: Falcon0r
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #46310] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 00:36 |
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EnderGate
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I am in close contact with most of the people who run servers for Renegade. I am not aware of any software or solution as effective as RenGuard. Most server owners plan to use RenGuard, so anyone else who wants to make a software product will be a month behind in development and light years behind in PR.
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We don't want to make a software "Product" That little anti-finial mod we run on our server, just let us play without the worry of the finial hack. We just want to continue playing Renegade, the way it was, now. Not offense toward RenGuard that we offer to share it. It is just a Mod, a copy of CnC mode. This game is not the same, the people are not the same. It is the Server owners that are in close contact with you. Cause they are all writing/waiting on your product.
Please, just don't think of it as a product, it makes me want to absolutely puke. EA makes products. I’d rather think of RenGuard, as a solution, and we should entertain any solution, not to be closed minded.
Cheaters are cowards; they are the terrorists of the world, blowing up trade centers, and stealing airplanes to do their cowardly deed. Cheaters are in the same category as those that kill innocent people with suicide bombs, even more cowardly are the cheaters that convince the younger cheaters to be this bomber. Dmbaz Fkrs, just kill themselves and make the world hate chicken cheaters even more!
The Meek will inherit the earth. The cheaters will burn in the gates of hell. I curse all cheaters that read this. Wrecked the best game that I’ve played in 10 years, dam them all to hell.
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| What's being done to stop cheats [message #46313] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 02:37 |
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Crimson
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EnderGate, I wasn't referring to your solution. I appreciate the measures you've taken. I am confident that RenGuard will be a more solid solution, though quick fixes (including your .pkg files and the Server Owners forum we have now) are certainly welcome to help stem the tides.
As to PsY's post, you must realize the cheats in Renegade are far more elementary compared to the CounterStrike cheats and therefore a lot easier to stop, and those in the project ARE, in fact, hard core programmers.
I'm the bawss.
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