| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481996 is a reply to message #480854] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 15:25   |
iRANian
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I honestly have no idea about programming with the Unreal engine.
It's true that they can transfer their assets at the same quality but I also think they might get criticism for the quality of the work not being something you would expect out of a Unreal engine 3.0 game and then the end result would be in a lot of ways similar than what they have now; just with a better engine. They obviously could start upgrading the graphics after the fact though.
I think the problem with obscurity is not the game being tied into the Renegade engine, it's just the general lack of advertising and the game itself isn't that fun like APB also isn't at the moment. If the game is fun the player base should be stable and advertising + word of mouth will reach people.
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481997 is a reply to message #480854] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 15:40 |
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Aircraftkiller
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There's nothing inherently fun about Renegade's engine and the bad graphics, though. To be totally blunt, both APB and Reborn look marginally worse than Renegade. The models in Renegade may not be the most detailed, but their textures make up for it with baked-in lighting and a consistent art style. APB/Reborn models have a ton of polygonal detail but the look of the mods is worse in comparison to Renegade.
Renegade looks good for what it is, a moderate amount of detail packed into tight spaces. APB/Reborn look bad in comparison because they've got sparse detail spread across massive maps. That also engenders the issues with gameplay being repetitive, boring, and honestly kind of shallow. Renegade wasn't much better, but at least you don't have to wait five minutes between battles while you trek across a gigantic map and hope for the best. Of course, City\Flying has this same issue but to a lesser extent.
Another *real* problem with APB is the fanbase. As Agent Gibson (The guy who founded the mod with me and L3f7H4nd3d) said back in 2004, paraphrased: "All that's left of this mod is the lunatic fringe. There's no reason to develop for it anymore. I'd rather work on something modern without the weirdos that devote their life to a single game."
You can see this in APB's fanbase. Quite a few of them are just downright strange people. The developers are generally pretty good, but the fans are fucking crazy. Look at this thread as an example:
Alucard, on 11 Jun 2013 - 23:34, said:
and you're making me physically cry right now because of your treatment to me which is outright cyber bullying.
When the caliber of your forum-goers is people like that, and a clique-like atmosphere permeating the place, no amount of advertising is going to make people want to play. It's a toxic environment. People can go play free games that don't:
1) Have a toxic community
2) Have bad graphics
3) Have bad gameplay
I'd love to see them dig out of this. The projects they're doing have potential, but they're not going to live up to that potential if they don't actively work on it. Reborn's dropped to 7 players, by the way. I'd be pretty sad/pissed if I spent 10 years on a mod, only to see it flounder a week or two after release.
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481999 is a reply to message #481992] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 16:36 |
shaitan
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That is damned funny, strange coming out of his mouth, but funny nonetheless.
Since when the fuck did iRaN grow a vagina and cry like a bitch? Is that really him? 
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I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #482003 is a reply to message #481997] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 21:57 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 14 June 2013 18:40 |
Another *real* problem with APB is the fanbase. As Agent Gibson (The guy who founded the mod with me and L3f7H4nd3d) said back in 2004, paraphrased: "All that's left of this mod is the lunatic fringe. There's no reason to develop for it anymore. I'd rather work on something modern without the weirdos that devote their life to a single game."
You can see this in APB's fanbase. Quite a few of them are just downright strange people. The developers are generally pretty good, but the fans are fucking crazy. Look at this thread as an example:
Alucard, on 11 Jun 2013 - 23:34, said:
and you're making me physically cry right now because of your treatment to me which is outright cyber bullying.
When the caliber of your forum-goers is people like that, and a clique-like atmosphere permeating the place, no amount of advertising is going to make people want to play. It's a toxic environment.
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lol...this post cracked me up. It was founded by nut jobs, and attracted the same type of people. Nobody should be shocked about the toxic fan base. Ironically, I think all of us are nut jobs for being on this forum still and talking about Renegade and its mods. We are all just a bit crazy. 
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #482016 is a reply to message #480854] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 03:27 |
iRANian
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Your post about the community was really good; I'd like to come back to it as I feel this seems to affect gaming communities in general, for example Blizzard's forums for their games.
One of the issues I have with myself is how spend I too much time laughing about these weirdos instead of just ignoring them and doing something productive. Cause honestly if you look like some of the threads made here even in the last month they're hilarious and pathetic. It's just mindless entertainment; but like gossip really easy to get into.
Like your example; a guy says he's physically crying about how he got abused by a moderator, when I first read it I laughed so hard.
Renegade is a bad game which has almost no skill ceiling because of how laggy the netcode is, hugging a wall, a gun that shots 4 shots with infinite range that kill basic infantry in one shot and other infantry in two shots which also has a scope on it, and you can use it while bunnyhopping and moving. Tank combat actually takes some skill but on large servers it's mostly decided by whose team has more Hotwires/Technicians repairing their tanks. There's some things you need to learn but in the end only hitting Light Tanks who are evading from a distance is hard. Rep shooting adds a bit to the skill ceiling and is fun to do when bored, throwing your tanks off cliffs while engaging enemies to retreat, hide or confuse them is fun.
So yeah the game isn't hard but it's just fun to play; people are still extremely bad at the game, people say or do funny things. Playing basic infantry versus basic infantry games is fun to me (until I'm bored); killwhoring enemy infantry because I have infinite ammo is fun to do, challenging because of my euro ping and the laggy netcode and it's hilarious when people cry about.
I can understand if any other person don't think these things are fun.
The hilarious community around it with people desperately trying to get moderator positions (basically e-janitor if you look at it that way), all the dumb drama and weirdos is great too. Most of these people don't actually play Renegade or not where I'm playing Renegade. It's just funny and pathetic.
I've seen that Reborn has less players now; it sucks for them and I assume that's pretty frustrating too as you like you said they spent a lot of time working on it.
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #482084 is a reply to message #482082] |
Tue, 18 June 2013 12:20 |
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| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 13:48 |
| Xpert wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 18:55 |
Oh so now your reason is Nuke LMAO. The guy is paging other players including myself about bullshit but I got in trouble because mines is public LOL.
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Here is a Solution for your problem:
Stay @ Jelly, People with ur attitude perfectly fit over there. Same happens to Vultima, go figure what the next step could be..
Just stay away, then there is no trouble, no harm done and every1 is happy, thx for reading Xperv. 
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Do you even know what you say half the time LOL.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 14:51 |
kinda funny how obsessed liqtard still is with me, whenever i post something inhere he immed. replies to it, liqtard if u can read this, plx get over ur obsession and focus on your real life dude. You really need it, i know it will be hard times for you to not act like a douchebag for once but trust me, in the end u will feel better when u can focus on other things than on some1 you are still afraid of even if he lives 1000s of miles away. 
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Coming from the guy who tried to flirt with his girlfriend.
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i know it will be hard times for you to not act like a douchebag for once but trust me, in the end u will feel better when u can focus on other things
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OMG LOL do you even read what you post and think "Hey, maybe I should stop being a hypocrite".
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #482086 is a reply to message #482069] |
Tue, 18 June 2013 13:37 |
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| Bazil wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 00:10 |
[22:10:34] <&NewMapsBot> 08Suicune: nuke
[22:10:38] <&NewMapsBot> 08Suicune: stop breathing
[22:10:39] <&NewMapsBot> 08Suicune: please
[22:10:41] <&NewMapsBot> 08Suicune: for all of us
[22:19:21] <&NewMapsBot> Page Sent to Arcanine --> (WhiteNyte@IRC): I have let it go long enough... any more and you will be muted...
[22:19:43] <&NewMapsBot> 08Arcanine: i really dont care LOL
[22:19:46] <&NewMapsBot> 08Arcanine: i can get back within 24hrs
[22:19:50] <&NewMapsBot> 08Arcanine: lighten up
[22:20:23] <&NewMapsBot> 08Arcanine: mute me
[22:20:24] <&NewMapsBot> 08Arcanine: idc
[22:20:25] <&NewMapsBot> 08Arcanine: LOL
15[22:21:06] <03@GenOBrien> !mute arcanine
You were provoking that Nuke player so he gets mad and stuff. We at MPF do not tolerate that type of behaviour (trolling for short) and hope that won't happen again.
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For the record I would have muted him, lol
(but that's only based on this quote)
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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