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| HaTe wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 21:39 |
EWD doesn't understand renegade.
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Could be, could be not.
At least I do know the basic principles according which the engine works, and by extension how *cheat name removed*uses certain bits of the renegade engine.
So yes, snapping is caused by RGH, but spraying is not caused by rgh.
And admittedly I can't be arsed to watch any of the movies, so I'm just replying on what IRANian says.
Btw, I do really appreciate the effort you put into your reply, with so much and so detailed arguments.... 
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For the heck of it, I did read your post IRANian, the one where I at first stopped reading. How do USA servers differ from EU servers? Appart from you being in the Netherlands and surely getting a shitload of lag (which you may or may not notice) on USA servers which you don't get on EU servers.
All the weird issues you describe as being *cheat name removed*sound like typical lag to me, which is also the reason I play exclusively on EU servers.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451387 is a reply to message #451376] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 13:50 |
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| Caveman wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 12:46 |
I would personally say that in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csv1HkYc50U
The snapping at the end does it for me.. But as to the topic, *cheat name removed*doesn't cause spray what you get hit but the tracers aren't actually hitting you is casued by either;
1) Lag
2) Big bodies/head/weapon and since most servers either run BIATCH or RR it makes this impossible.
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How would you explain my videos then? All are taken on servers that run BIATCH. They can't possible be lag, my ping is 200. all of them were banned for *cheat name removed*by mods at Jelly (except for one guy). There must be something mysterious going on here!! Can't possible be lag either.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451391 is a reply to message #451387] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 14:11 |
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| iRANian wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 22:50 |
| Caveman wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 12:46 |
I would personally say that in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csv1HkYc50U
The snapping at the end does it for me.. But as to the topic, *cheat name removed*doesn't cause spray what you get hit but the tracers aren't actually hitting you is casued by either;
1) Lag
2) Big bodies/head/weapon and since most servers either run BIATCH or RR it makes this impossible.
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How would you explain my videos then? All are taken on servers that run BIATCH. They can't possible be lag, my ping is 200. all of them were banned for *cheat name removed*by mods at Jelly (except for one guy). There must be something mysterious going on here!! Can't possible be lag either.
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I'm not saying they are not cheating. The things you describe however do no PROVE they are cheating. With the Renegade engine and a ping of 200 you do certainly lag. It's because the engine is in some aspects rather clever, so you don't notice lag as fast as in other games. This as the fun side-effect of making it easy to cheat, as in do damage hacks, bighead, and more of those kinds of things.
However, if you look carefully you'll notice that Renegade always lags, even when run on LAN. With a ping of 200, it only gets worse.
Whether you believe the Renegade engine bits or not, for any other shooter a ping of 200 would be rather bad if not unplayable.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451395 is a reply to message #451391] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 14:17 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 22:11 |
| iRANian wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 22:50 |
| Caveman wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 12:46 |
I would personally say that in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csv1HkYc50U
The snapping at the end does it for me.. But as to the topic, *cheat name removed*doesn't cause spray what you get hit but the tracers aren't actually hitting you is casued by either;
1) Lag
2) Big bodies/head/weapon and since most servers either run BIATCH or RR it makes this impossible.
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How would you explain my videos then? All are taken on servers that run BIATCH. They can't possible be lag, my ping is 200. all of them were banned for *cheat name removed*by mods at Jelly (except for one guy). There must be something mysterious going on here!! Can't possible be lag either.
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I'm not saying they are not cheating. The things you describe however do no PROVE they are cheating. With the Renegade engine and a ping of 200 you do certainly lag. It's because the engine is in some aspects rather clever, so you don't notice lag as fast as in other games. This as the fun side-effect of making it easy to cheat, as in do damage hacks, bighead, and more of those kinds of things.
However, if you look carefully you'll notice that Renegade always lags, even when run on LAN. With a ping of 200, it only gets worse.
Whether you believe the Renegade engine bits or not, for any other shooter a ping of 200 would be rather bad if not unplayable.
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While I agree with you here about the Renegade engine I would have to disagree about the 200 ping being 'rather bad' my ping on any USA server is 180-220 and I don't get any real noticable lag... I might get the odd sticking to the wall or odd wrap kill but not as bad as you describe.
Iran - Im not saying he isn't cheating however im telling you that *RGH doesn't cause spray bullets to hit you. If you can see spray and you are getting hit then its either BH/BB or just lag on your part or the his.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451402 is a reply to message #451395] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 15:52 |
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| Caveman wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 23:17 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 22:11 |
| iRANian wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 22:50 |
| Caveman wrote on Fri, 12 August 2011 12:46 |
I would personally say that in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csv1HkYc50U
The snapping at the end does it for me.. But as to the topic, *cheat name removed*doesn't cause spray what you get hit but the tracers aren't actually hitting you is casued by either;
1) Lag
2) Big bodies/head/weapon and since most servers either run BIATCH or RR it makes this impossible.
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How would you explain my videos then? All are taken on servers that run BIATCH. They can't possible be lag, my ping is 200. all of them were banned for *cheat name removed*by mods at Jelly (except for one guy). There must be something mysterious going on here!! Can't possible be lag either.
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I'm not saying they are not cheating. The things you describe however do no PROVE they are cheating. With the Renegade engine and a ping of 200 you do certainly lag. It's because the engine is in some aspects rather clever, so you don't notice lag as fast as in other games. This as the fun side-effect of making it easy to cheat, as in do damage hacks, bighead, and more of those kinds of things.
However, if you look carefully you'll notice that Renegade always lags, even when run on LAN. With a ping of 200, it only gets worse.
Whether you believe the Renegade engine bits or not, for any other shooter a ping of 200 would be rather bad if not unplayable.
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While I agree with you here about the Renegade engine I would have to disagree about the 200 ping being 'rather bad' my ping on any USA server is 180-220 and I don't get any real noticable lag... I might get the odd sticking to the wall or odd wrap kill but not as bad as you describe.
Iran - Im not saying he isn't cheating however im telling you that *RGH doesn't cause spray bullets to hit you. If you can see spray and you are getting hit then its either BH/BB or just lag on your part or the his.
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As said, the Renegade engine is good at hiding lag, which is good because it also hides how inefficient the netcode can be in Renegade. Lower pings however do make you warp a lot less than with higher pings, and make things like turret and tracers a lot more accurate than with a high ping. Try playing on EU servers a bit more and you'll probably start to notice the difference.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451407 is a reply to message #451291] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 16:21 |
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They do, in all my videos. It can't be big head on all off them, nor big bodies cause that cris90 got banned after snapping towards a guy inside ref on walls when he was at hand as GDI. And in the ones of Superd00p3r and Renedave you can see them hold the button and shooting, it's really more noticeable in the superd00p3r video.
The cris90 vid shows both me and another player with 200 ping experience the SBHs laser shooting over him to the right but still hitting. The same thing happened with the blackmagecat guy on the same game I recorded that. He respawned in Barracks and started shooting GDI short tunnel while walking towards it, I noticeably saw his spraying, while other regulars saw it too.
If you look at this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvFaNro1JI
You see how he presses the aimbot key and when he starts to headshot me his Laser goes above my head the same way it did with that cris90 guy. If you take a look at the blackmagecat and crisis ones see both of them just spraying on my screen, I'm not sure if this happens with every ping and on every server, but I definitely see and notice when those lasers really don't align and I get quickly head shot or with the Hotbeetle one he keeps hitting my body while his laser is moving right and left.
The Ballam & Renedave ones are long distance and they show what it looks like from long distance. I would honestly not get damage like that from long distance on Jelly Marathon if someone legit was shooting me, his gun also wouldn't spray as much.
And I can't be the only one as my friend (the Gunner in the cris90) video, also had the Laser Rifle align the exactly same way as on my screen.
I've seen quite a few FRAPS videos of aimbotters (to get my opinion on them) from Jelly European regulars and European mods there and they don't look different from mine, other than there being less warp with infantry and they also show this exact same spraying, when I showed those videos to Jelly moderators (a variety of them), there never were questions any "weird ass spraying", that could have been lag.
If that alfthedes guy is legit while shooting like that he's the best shooter I've ever seen, hands down. But when he normally plays on Jelly he buys a lot of Sakuras and hardly plays above average when I am on, he does get accused sometimes.
I made a quick recording of me playing on Jelly Marathon (where pretty much all over those videos were recorded), you can see that there's lots of warping with infantry, but laser rifles and shooter traces aren't going wild like in the videos I've linked, when I get hit it actually feels as if I'm being shot (which most of the time is, aldo tracers do misalign). I get double the KBPS on n00bstories and I don't experience the heavy infantry warping, yet the tracers stay about the same:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRYhn3Pa3U
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451411 is a reply to message #451291] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 17:17 |
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First vid you posted, your ping went apeshit right before that: 238 -> 171 -> 213. Could have accounted for the wild shots and looking like you being raped. I get that alot with my net doing it as well.
Admittedly that was the only video I watched...if you have more lag-free ones of this guy I'll watch. Would be interesting to see if he still pulls that off. o.O
I wasn't able to find anything on this guy..everytime I nicksearched, the ipbot would decimate our bots with excess flood and crash.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451412 is a reply to message #451291] |
Fri, 12 August 2011 17:20 |
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lol that's weird. it was the third time he did it on that exact same spot, its why i had the pistol out like that without shooting and didnt do any jerky motions (as to react to him) when he started shooting and de-stealthing.
Afterwards he got a Sakura on that map and didn't notice anything weird, same with any games since then.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451438 is a reply to message #451291] |
Sat, 13 August 2011 03:07 |
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My brother is pro with a chaingun and can down a havoc in less than 3 seconds. And he's using stock Renegade (3.4.4) with no texture enhancements, aimbots or whatever. What are you trying to say here? That everyone who kills you in a matter of seconds is using *cheat name removed*lock-on?
As the others have already stated, the majority of your videos are just lagg how it appears with the crappy netcode.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451445 is a reply to message #451438] |
Sat, 13 August 2011 05:49 |
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| Spyder wrote on Sat, 13 August 2011 03:07 |
My brother is pro with a chaingun and can down a havoc in less than 3 seconds. And he's using stock Renegade (3.4.4) with no texture enhancements, aimbots or whatever. What are you trying to say here? That everyone who kills you in a matter of seconds is using *cheat name removed*lock-on?
As the others have already stated, the majority of your videos are just lagg how it appears with the crappy netcode.
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Can't read? They were all caught cheating, except for one of them. Do you even play Renegade, because lag doesn't cause those tracers to misalign that much nor cause people to suddenly snap to your head, or body shoot you continuously (with none of the tracers hitting you) and killing you without apparently missing none of the shots. 
Not sure what's amazing about downing a Havoc in three seconds with a Chain Gun but okay.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451455 is a reply to message #451291] |
Sat, 13 August 2011 07:23 |
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I'm playing zunnie's coop map C&C_Nimrod on the TT test server and the bots do the exact same spraying as the playerrs in my video, there's an engine call that *cheat name removed*uses for its aimbot that the bots also could be using (or something similar) in the attack code for bots.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451497 is a reply to message #451291] |
Sat, 13 August 2011 14:47 |
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It's also weird that you're ranting about it on this forum instead of the forums it belongs at, namely the forums of the servers.
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I meant lag, yes.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451499 is a reply to message #451291] |
Sat, 13 August 2011 14:50 |
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I'm not ranting about anything, I just want some feedback from players who actually know how *cheat name removed*aimbot works, or who play the game. Didn't expect it to turn in such a 'fail' topic.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451513 is a reply to message #451499] |
Sat, 13 August 2011 16:22 |
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| iRANian wrote on Sat, 13 August 2011 23:50 |
I'm not ranting about anything, I just want some feedback from players who actually know how *cheat name removed*aimbot works, or who play the game. Didn't expect it to turn in such a 'fail' topic.
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You want feedback? Well, you got decent feedback, and decided that the feedback is wrong. No point in saying anything besides that, because we "don't know Renegade / *cheat name removed* . Not sure what you're trying to prove, but your "it's not lag" is plain wrong.
Yes they could very well be cheating, as I haven't watched the vid, but not because of your explanation. *cheat name removed*only uses the engine call to aim for the neck bone, the result is exactly the same as you aiming manually for that neck bone.
Slight difference is that *cheat name removed*won't miss the neck bone / head as easy as you do.
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| Re: nothing but shift [message #451573 is a reply to message #451291] |
Sun, 14 August 2011 09:36 |
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yeah, you basically got feedback that you didn't like and decided it was wrong because it disagrees with you :/
lol at calling me a cheater
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