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| Azazel wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:31 |
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I'm going to stop running servers and start coding cheats, thats all you need for Reborns respect!
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The sad thing is, Reborn's not the only guy who supports 0x90.. I fail to see how educated men and woman who put so much of their time and money into Renegade can simply turn a blind eye to 0x90. So what if he hasn't broken any rules on the forums, The forums are the 'Offical Renegade forums' I don't see next to it -all cheaters welcome *open arms* ..
It's funny, when someone's found cheating then the mods here post the ip and serial etc. But when the guy that's made the cheat comes on the forums, he's allowed to do as he pleases..
I'm a 16 yr old that loves Renegade and yet I have more logic than 30 yr olds that have played longer than me? words fail me.
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I'm pretty sure Hex was joking/trolling, I'm confident he knows that I would not support anything like that.
How dare you say I support 0x90? Check out those forums, and look for the posts made by "spencer", being me.
You're out of your mind if you think I support the activities that 0x90 gets up to. You're terribly mis-informed.
Also, R315r4z0r... The more cheats the better? You're wrong.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428279 is a reply to message #428260] |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
Oh, my.
What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn.
0x90 "has done nothing wrong".
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...on the forum. Done nothing wrong on the forum. Of course when you take what I said out of context it looks stupid.
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i don't understand why people say things as stupid as this either. a quote is, by definition, taken out of context. regardless, the plain fact is you said "[0x90] has done nothing wrong." this is what you said. it doesn't look stupid because it's taken out of context... it looks stupid because it's stupid.
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing.
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Yes, you're right. There needs to be some common sense usage here.
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so start acting like it.
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Common sense as in banning a cheater from a game in which he cheated. Cheating in the game goes against the rules and therefore a punishment is in order.
However, there is no common sense in banning the same guy from a forum for not breaking any rules at all.
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see above re: the extraordinary amount of damage 0x90 has done to this game. one would think the number of times i'd repeated that point it might have made an impression by now. secondly, if pursuing a course of action 0x90 has taken is not against any rulse, then there's something seriously wrong with the rules. it's been several years since we knew what a piece of shit 0x90 is and the rules don't seem to have changed enough to accommodate a ban, EVEN THOUGH people have been banned here despite breaking no rules.
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I'm not the one being stupid here. Rules are made to protect people who want to play fairly, not punish the people who don't. The rule against cheating is to make it so people can enjoy a fair game. If you take that right away from the other players by cheating, then that is why you are then punished by being separated from them so you can't cause any more problems.
However, you can't cause the other people harm on the forum by using those same cheats that got you banned from the game. The forum is an entirely new dimension. So what if it is the forum for the game in question? You can't cause problems for the other people on the forum by using cheats designed for use in the game. That's why no punishment should be given on the forum unless a forum rule is broken, in which case that person then is causing problems for the other forum users and needs to be removed.
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so the only way you could bring yourself to think that 0x90 is "causing problems" for the people on this forum is if, for example, he said something racist?
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You don't punish people because you want to.
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for the second time, nobody is suggesting this should be the case, idiot.
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58 |
I wish I understood why people say things as dumb as this. Of course it's my opinion; whose else were you expecting when you saw a post from 'Spoony'?
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Ok, so how would you phrase it? You state an opinion, therefore it is your opinion. You rather I just say "that's an opinion?" Or rather I just say nothing at all? If the latter, then why make the point in the first place?
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i'd rather you don't say things as unbelievably stupid as the numerous intellectual blunders you've made in the course of a relatively small number of posts, but if you insist on doing so
i'll be happy to point out why you're being as thick as pigshit... for your own benefit, of course.
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
You think you know enough to say he "has done nothing wrong"...
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I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't.
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so your posts are not off-the-cuff but considered statements... oh dear. that is depressing.
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Gozy said in one of the first few posts in this thread that he has yet to break any forum rules. From that and the creation of this very thread, I can infer that:
1. He cheats in Renegade.
2. Has not broken any forum rules as of yet.
You can ban him from Renegade for cheating. But banning him from the forum makes no sense at all.
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do you even know who 0x90 is? it doesn't sound like it.
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59 |
this is, again, a remarkably stupid thing to say. Not as bollock-brained as saying 0x90 has done nothing wrong, and maybe not quite as thick as "the more cheats around the better", but still pretty dense. Who said "he should be banned for the sole reason that he made Spoony angry"? When did I ever indicate that making one person angry is justification for a ban?
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I was generalizing. I wasn't specifically talking about what you said. I meant it as no body should be banned on the grounds that the person got someone else angry through unrelated issues.
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sigh. nobody is suggesting that this is grounds to ban him.
here's what you said.
But like I said, just because you're angry doesn't make it right to ban him from the forum.
it's a gormless thing to say even by the standards you've established already, and your "clarification" hasn't even moved the goalposts.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428281 is a reply to message #427982] |
Fri, 14 May 2010 03:49 |
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0x90 has been a puzzle to me for some time, and I have not known what to make of him.
After some contemplation, I can only come to the conclusion that he is a sociopath, or at least has strong antisocial personality disorder tendancies.
This struck me as I deliberated over the following:
*He is unable to conform to the main stream; He see's nothing wrong really in what he is doing, and cannot grasp why people are so mad at him.
*He has a disregard for others wellbeing; in as much as he does not seem to care about the damage his releases do.
*He has an abundance of charm and wit, he seems considerate when I talked to him and indeed friendly. However, this is surely only superficial? If he really thought anything of me, then why would he release cheats that are so damaging?
The same can apply to this forum... He is helpful to people here, and constructive, but yet he does so much damage behind the scenes.
*He has told me that he enjoys the naughty things. "Things that are disruptive are naughty are often the most enjoyable". This is aparaphrase, but you get the idea; Sociopaths can sometimes sees the world on their own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills.
*Low self esteem; He reacts when people say negative things about him, so is clearly hurt. Also, it's possible that the releases he makes are directly to bolster his esteem because of the cheating communities love for him. He is like a hero to them.
Other signs of the disorder can be, but not neccessarily required: agressive or violent tendancies, finds it hard to hold down a job and drug abuse. If you're reading this 0x90, and you can identify with any of this, then maybe you could start asking question about yourself, and help yourself to become better by seeking help?
Maybe I'm speaking out of term, or even out my ass, but this is the only solution to the puzzle that is 0x90 that makes sense to me.
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 02:34 |
What would change if he was banned? This is a poorly thought out thread.
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This is why he isn't banned, it would achieve nothing.
(Note, I doubt "sending a clear message", IE: banning him on principle, would make the slightest difference to the production of cheats by himself or anyone else)
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428287 is a reply to message #428282] |
Fri, 14 May 2010 05:09 |
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i'm not sure about the "abundance of charm and wit", but other than that i think we may indeed be dealing with a sociopath. so far there's only been three other people in renegade i've thought (and said) do have serious psychological disorders, so i don't just say that as a random insult.
to dover and carrier... perhaps we can hear a little less about why the fact his destruction of this game is supposedly unstoppable is a reason not to take a clear and palpable stand against him.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428290 is a reply to message #428289] |
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"it does nothing"... it is something, regardless of what it does. dover said what would banning him change? for starters it changes whether or not we have to see his face around here.
i also get a little tired of people saying that if a ban can be circumvented somehow, there's no point doing it at all.
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| Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428321 is a reply to message #427982] |
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Because I could spend the same amount of time directly countering the results of what he's done (in my leisure time... grr), which at least improves the situation, even if only by treating the symptom, and not the cause.
Nothing I can do W.R.T. banning will stop him making cheats, so what's the point?
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
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@ Spoony
First I owe you an appology for what i'm going to say, but w/e.
And that doesn't even show just how annoying and retarded you are. You made your point why you don't want 0x90 on the forum, now take a hint:
Yes you have very good reasons and I'm very aware of that myself as server owner. But you will, at some point, have to learn that having good points does not mean everyone agrees to YOUR opinion.
Ontopic:
I think that having 0x90 on renforums doesn't harm anyone, just like it doesn't hurt some cheat forum having me there. Well, actually, I probably hurt them more than having 0x90 on RF hurts RF.
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| reborn wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 12:49 |
*Low self esteem; He reacts when people say negative things about him, so is clearly hurt. Also, it's possible that the releases he makes are directly to bolster his esteem because of the cheating communities love for him. He is like a hero to them.
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The fucking irony in this is that he has a point. He claims that the cheatcommunity is much more thankful for his creations than the 'normal' community is for creations as scripts.dll or BIATCH. That is an interesting and true point he makes.
Edit: This topic is now about bashing Spoony.
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The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold:
1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned)
2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious.
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All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:09 |
The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold:
1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned)
2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious.
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All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time.
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BIATCH worked against almost all cheats with I think version 1. It still didn't get a whole lot of praise. Yes 0x90 circumvented the aimbot disabler, but still, it deserves more credit than it did.
On point 2 I'm not to sure. While smaller communities may be more harmonious, it doesn't explain why the much larger RF community gives about the same amount or even less (positive) reactions than the cheat community does.
So purely for self-esteem, the cheatcommunity is a better choice than RF. That is actually a very very sad fact.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:29 |
| CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:09 |
The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold:
1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned)
2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious.
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All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time.
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BIATCH worked against almost all cheats with I think version 1. It still didn't get a whole lot of praise. Yes 0x90 circumvented the aimbot disabler, but still, it deserves more credit than it did.
On point 2 I'm not to sure. While smaller communities may be more harmonious, it doesn't explain why the much larger RF community gives about the same amount or even less (positive) reactions than the cheat community does.
So purely for self-esteem, the cheatcommunity is a better choice than RF. That is actually a very very sad fact.
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I'm sure I speak for every 'normal' moderator in renegade when I say BIATCH is very useful and thank god we have it. w/o that we'd be alot more 'fucked' than we are now.
Altho, didn't black intel per-fect the rof detection but was never released? and instead of working on TT which looks like it's never gonna come, why not work on modifiying BIATCH?
And to stay on topic, I'm sure if Westwood still owned this site, they'd do everything in there power to make sure that people that create cheats that destroy the game would be banned permantly.
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| Azazel wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:34 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:29 |
| CarrierII wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 00:09 |
The reason, sadly, for the fact that the cheat community are more loving is twofold:
1) His program still works, the current generation of ACs don't (as far as his little cheat is concerned)
2) The community is smaller. Smaller communities (even gathered around a negative purpose, which is only true whilst the members perceive it to be negative anyway) are more harmonious.
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All of this being said, I refer to my other post, in which I decry his actions as being unacceptable on the grounds they ruin people's leisure time.
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BIATCH worked against almost all cheats with I think version 1. It still didn't get a whole lot of praise. Yes 0x90 circumvented the aimbot disabler, but still, it deserves more credit than it did.
On point 2 I'm not to sure. While smaller communities may be more harmonious, it doesn't explain why the much larger RF community gives about the same amount or even less (positive) reactions than the cheat community does.
So purely for self-esteem, the cheatcommunity is a better choice than RF. That is actually a very very sad fact.
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I'm sure I speak for every 'normal' moderator in renegade when I say BIATCH is very useful and thank god we have it. w/o that we'd be alot more 'fucked' than we are now.
Altho, didn't black intel per-fect the rof detection but was never released? and instead of working on TT which looks like it's never gonna come, why not work on modifiying BIATCH?
And to stay on topic, I'm sure if Westwood still owned this site, they'd do everything in there power to make sure that people that create cheats that destroy the game would be banned permantly.
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We have some RoF detection, but it like 90% of the time inaccurate, or at least so it seems. We're working with the TT team to get TT released. Quite some parts of our unreleased fixes will be in TT as a result of that.
The reason we haven't developed BIATCH more is because we too suspected that TT would be out sooner than this. Surely enough, it is hard to improve vAC from only the server, as BIATCH does. With TT we've taken away fundamental flaws in the netcode and in that way will most likely make BIATCH obsolete/integrated with TT.
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lol i love when spoony just demolishes idiots and their arguments and then seeing them try to respond by making some modified or made-up assumption of spoony's ideas.
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I can't believe how some of you assholes are jumping on spoony when x90 is the fuck who basically killed renegade with his undetectable cheats.
Can't believe you people would go as low as to stand up for a cheating shit just to jump on the I hate spoony bandwagon.
Go finger your little pussy x90 you mean lady bitch.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 16:50 |
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First I owe you an appology for what i'm going to say, but w/e.
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you don't owe me an apology for that, trust me.
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And that doesn't even show just how annoying and retarded you are. You made your point why you don't want 0x90 on the forum, now take a hint:
Yes you have very good reasons and I'm very aware of that myself as server owner. But you will, at some point, have to learn that having good points does not mean everyone agrees to YOUR opinion.
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again, i can't imagine why people say such stupid things. "not everyone agrees to your opinion"... well DUHHHH, otherwise he would've been banned several years ago and we wouldn't have had the embarrassment of so many people defending him against those of us who think he's a twat and don't mind saying so.
and maybe you don't think that harms renegadeforums.com, i'm not sure i'd agree.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 14 May 2010 18:27 |
The reason we haven't developed BIATCH more is because we too suspected that TT would be out sooner than this. Surely enough, it is hard to improve vAC from only the server, as BIATCH does. With TT we've taken away fundamental flaws in the netcode and in that way will most likely make BIATCH obsolete/integrated with TT.
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Well, thanks to 0x90 releasing his new cheat. He's postponed the release of TT even longer. As now, you guys will have to edit your anti-cheat software to pick up his latest cheat as well. *sighs*
I'm aware that ROF detection is unrelyable I have a lil bit of experience with it working with RR. I thought you guys had per-fected it, my bad.
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I can't believe how some of you assholes are jumping on spoony when x90 is the fuck who basically killed renegade with his undetectable cheats.
Can't believe you people would go as low as to stand up for a cheating shit just to jump on the I hate spoony bandwagon.
Go finger your little pussy x90 you mean lady bitch.
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| Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:33 |
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@ Spoony
First I owe you an appology for what i'm going to say, but w/e.
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you don't owe me an apology for that, trust me.
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And that doesn't even show just how annoying and retarded you are. You made your point why you don't want 0x90 on the forum, now take a hint:
Yes you have very good reasons and I'm very aware of that myself as server owner. But you will, at some point, have to learn that having good points does not mean everyone agrees to YOUR opinion.
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again, i can't imagine why people say such stupid things. "not everyone agrees to your opinion"... well DUHHHH, otherwise he would've been banned several years ago and we wouldn't have had the embarrassment of so many people defending him against those of us who think he's a twat and don't mind saying so.
and maybe you don't think that harms renegadeforums.com, i'm not sure i'd agree.
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I highlighted the statements that are opinions and are threated as facts. Spoony, let it be clear that I do not necessarily disagree with you, but your style of arguing is highly annoying in my opinion. This causes a lot of people either to ignore you, or bash you. Which is in some cases really a pitty. Defending your own arguments makes sense, but try to do so in a manner that does not directly mean the other is wrong and stupid. This goes in particular with opinion pieces like these.
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The reason we haven't developed BIATCH more is because we too suspected that TT would be out sooner than this. Surely enough, it is hard to improve vAC from only the server, as BIATCH does. With TT we've taken away fundamental flaws in the netcode and in that way will most likely make BIATCH obsolete/integrated with TT.
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Well, thanks to 0x90 releasing his new cheat. He's postponed the release of TT even longer. As now, you guys will have to edit your anti-cheat software to pick up his latest cheat as well. *sighs*
I'm aware that ROF detection is unrelyable I have a lil bit of experience with it working with RR. I thought you guys had per-fected it, my bad.
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I can't believe how some of you assholes are jumping on spoony when x90 is the fuck who basically killed renegade with his undetectable cheats.
Can't believe you people would go as low as to stand up for a cheating shit just to jump on the I hate spoony bandwagon.
Go finger your little pussy x90 you mean lady bitch.
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Well, TT won't take much longer due to the new RGH. I'm not too sure whether the new *cheat name removed*changes anything in how it hooks into renegade, but as far as I know not much changed.
Anyway, just to shed a little bit of different light on 0x90> we're talking to him and well he's planning on giving us privately the source of rgh, so we know exactly what it does, now aren't you 0x90?
And well, I guess that these kinds of topics are not exactly gonna help that happening.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:09 |
I highlighted the statements that are opinions and are threated as facts. Spoony, let it be clear that I do not necessarily disagree with you, but your style of arguing is highly annoying in my opinion. This causes a lot of people either to ignore you, or bash you. Which is in some cases really a pitty. Defending your own arguments makes sense, but try to do so in a manner that does not directly mean the other is wrong and stupid. This goes in particular with opinion pieces like these.
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After what you just had to admit in the private forum, I'd just stop talking right now if I were you. Trust me, it won't look good for you at all if everyone knew exactly why you made your outburst. It's certainly more damaging than anything you could ever say about me.
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| Spoony wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 12:14 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:09 |
I highlighted the statements that are opinions and are threated as facts. Spoony, let it be clear that I do not necessarily disagree with you, but your style of arguing is highly annoying in my opinion. This causes a lot of people either to ignore you, or bash you. Which is in some cases really a pitty. Defending your own arguments makes sense, but try to do so in a manner that does not directly mean the other is wrong and stupid. This goes in particular with opinion pieces like these.
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After what you just had to admit in the private forum, I'd just stop talking right now if I were you. Trust me, it won't look good for you at all if everyone knew exactly why you made your outburst. It's certainly more damaging than anything you could ever say about me.
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Actually it's not, and I certainly do not need you to say that. Nor do I or anyone on the TT team needs you to make hints at what does or does not happen on private forums. TYVM.
Edit: Also, when the time is right, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL defending my actions, I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 15 May 2010 12:54 |
Actually it's not, and I certainly do not need you to say that. Nor do I or anyone on the TT team needs you to make hints at what does or does not happen on private forums. TYVM.
Edit: Also, when the time is right, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL defending my actions, I suspect I have the trust in that matter of the full team besides you.
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You ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself.
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