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Another retarded conspiracy theory is all. RONALD REAGAN'S THE DEVIL, no wait GEORGE BUSH IS THE DEVIL, no wait, OBAMA'S THE DEVIL.
Shit, is everyone the devil?
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360474 is a reply to message #360449] |
Sat, 29 November 2008 05:32 |
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Not voting for someone because of their religion is entirely valid. Obama lost ten points in my book when I thought he was a Muslim, then it turned out he was a Christian so he got one point back.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360543 is a reply to message #360479] |
Sat, 29 November 2008 11:39 |
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No, that would mean a candidate would be disqualified from standing. It doesn't mean the electorate can't take the candidate's religion into consideration, just like their stand on the economy, foreign policy etc.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360545 is a reply to message #360543] |
Sat, 29 November 2008 11:43 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:39 |
No, that would mean a candidate would be disqualified from standing. It doesn't mean the electorate can't take the candidate's religion into consideration, just like their stand on the economy, foreign policy etc.
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Ofcourse it wouldn't, it just means that a REAL American wouldn't take it into consideration.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360546 is a reply to message #360545] |
Sat, 29 November 2008 11:48 |
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Makes me wonder what the fuss about Obama supposedly being a Muslim was all about, then, or the fact we keep hearing that the majority of Americans wouldn't vote for an otherwise qualified atheist.
Are these people, therefore, not 'real' Americans?
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360649 is a reply to message #357510] |
Sat, 29 November 2008 20:35 |
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As much as it pains me to say it it has to be a little different with Islam- a true follower of Islam as president of the US (as unlikely as that is) would be disastrous.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360690 is a reply to message #360565] |
Sun, 30 November 2008 08:18 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:11 |
No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on.
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If America was "founded on" democracy, then it sounds like you're the one who's done that. Y'know, the principle that you're allowed to choose for yourself which criteria to think about when casting your vote?
Tell me, if you watched an interview and a candidate was asked which book they found most inspirational and uplifting, and they said Mein Kampf, would it be unfair to take that into account? No? Then why not if the book was the Qu'ran, which - let's be honest - makes Mein Kampf look downright moderate?
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360713 is a reply to message #357510] |
Sun, 30 November 2008 09:57 |
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You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government?
Besides, if you start looking at the candidates instead of their issues, you become uninformed. It's one reason why Bush was elected over Kerry in 2004. Bush was a guy you could sit down and have a beer with, but likability doesn't really leave you with good policies, does it?
Honestly, I don't give a damn if someone's favorite book was Mein Kampf. In fact, I don't care if the person is a complete racist. As long as he separates his morals/feelings from his public policy, I couldn't give two shits who he is.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360760 is a reply to message #360713] |
Sun, 30 November 2008 14:24 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 11:57 |
Honestly, I don't give a damn if someone's favorite book was Mein Kampf. In fact, I don't care if the person is a complete racist. As long as he separates his morals/feelings from his public policy, I couldn't give two shits who he is.
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Unfortunately only robots can do that, which is the ultimate downfall of humanity IMO. We are mostly unable to separate emotion from our work.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360803 is a reply to message #357510] |
Sun, 30 November 2008 16:47 |
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u6795 is correct to some extent, but there some instances in which people can separate their beliefs from their policy.
for example, while I am personally opposed to abortion, i do not think it is the government's place to restrict it.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360859 is a reply to message #360713] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 05:40 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 10:57 |
You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government?
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I'm absolutely mystified as to how you came to this conclusion.
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 10:57 |
Besides, if you start looking at the candidates instead of their issues, you become uninformed.
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I'm equally puzzled as to your use of the words "instead of", when "as well as" is far more appropriate.
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 10:57 |
It's one reason why Bush was elected over Kerry in 2004. Bush was a guy you could sit down and have a beer with
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Speak for yourself. I'd rather not be near Bush when he's been drinking.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #360876 is a reply to message #360859] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 07:33 |
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You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government?
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I'm absolutely mystified as to how you came to this conclusion.
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Well, most politicians profess to be Christian. At least, here in America. Even though most people don't act like they're part of Christianity, they won't vote for anyone who isn't Christian. Put an atheist up against a Christian with virtually the same voting record and about the same amount of experience, and the Christian will win, especially if the atheist is out-spoken about his/her beliefs.
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Besides, if you start looking at the candidates instead of their issues, you become uninformed.
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I'm equally puzzled as to your use of the words "instead of", when "as well as" is far more appropriate.
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You clearly don't understand American voters, then. "Instead of" is appropriately used. Trust me.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #361097 is a reply to message #357510] |
Tue, 02 December 2008 12:15 |
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I voted for him because as a single parent, I dont feel I pay enough in taxes. I also dont like the fact that I can see my doctor right away...I should wait longer like my friends in Canada and Scotland.
I also think that my employer should pay me $249,999 a year and not a PENNY more, because then I'd be rich and be taxed too much.
Oh wait, that number has changed to $50,000 now. That seems like a lot, but I make $34 an hour and I drive a 1994 with 140,000 miles on it, dont own a home, and can't save much.
Lets see...OH I KNOW! To get obama the HELL out of Chicago, as this town is screwed up enough.
Government can't do anything right, they cant even send me my license plate sticker on time, spell my name right on my car title, bill me correctly for my sewer & water, or send a letter across town within 9 days.
And you people believe this crap he said? Where is this "change"?
You guys probably arent old enough to remember Clinton's first term. "Worst economy in 50 years (a lie)" and "It ALL starts with a MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT". So, he was inaugurated in the middle of January, and raised taxes, yes RAISED TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS by THREE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush Senior said and did the same thing and got wiped for it. Clinton does it, on top of Bush Sr's tax increase, but calls them "contributions" and everyone's OK with it.
obama's health care plan is a JOKE. If you get coverage if your employer doesnt offer it, WHAT company in America would offer it then, if they dont have to offer one? Where is the money coming from to pay for it? YOU. The MIDDLE CLASS. The rich dont pay much taxes, and the poor pay ZERO.
So, you think your taxes will go down if everyone gets treated for everything? Why should I spend $10 on cough syrup and aspirin when I can get the care for free and get the government billed $300 for it?
You people that voted for him are either easily fooled, or stupid. His wife is a mean lady, and gets paid over $120000 a year as a "consultant" for a food company here. She's never set foot in the building. Nothing but a union payoff (Story in the Chicago Sun Times April 2008).
I'm union. Have been since 1995. Clinton fought for NAFTA and got it passed. Jobs have gone away, but they blame Bush, even Reagan.
I'm not even bringing up obamas drug use, his gay connection, his love of Bill Ayers, his lack of ever having a real fucking job, or ever wondering what it is like to barely pay your rent and not have 20 cents for a package of Ramen noodles.
Fuck obama, and all you idiots that voted for him. I want to laugh at the misery he will cause you all, but I would feel bad about it. Nobody deserves obama. Well, the Taliban and AlQuieda does, but obama wants to play nice with them and "negotiate".
I've spent 4 years in the middle east, and I would feel safer wearing a KKK outfit yelling the "N" word in South Central LA than I would EVER going back to Saudi or Kuwait ever again. Those people HATE us, no matter WHAT we do. No matter what we WILL do.
Was this post enough to continue the flame and to get people to hate me? I can add to it if you'd like 
PS., I really HOPE obama will do the right thing. I dont know WHY he'd want to be president now, he must be retarded. But I just cant see him doing ANYTHING right. He's a bullshitter. Its easy to catch a liar when you've been in the military, been an advisor to a government official, had druggies as friends/family, and been a parent. obama is lying every time someone asks him a question. Just try to decipher his answers. He doesnt deny or affirm anything. He redefines.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #361103 is a reply to message #357510] |
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Fortunately, Obama is apparently going to play it safe to start off with. He's acting like his administration is going to be a lot more Centrist, which will make me happy. Unfortunately, I don't expect Congress to do the same, and I assume Obama will pass whatever bullshit, leftist crap they pass through Congress.
I do hope that he doesn't, though. I could see myself liking Obama a lot more than I ever did like Bush (and I was a neo-con, at one point) if he stays Centrist. He'll piss off a lot of liberals in the process, but he'll be able to make peace with a lot of conservatives. He will need to do that if he truly expects to unite the country.
What I am NOT fond of, as of right now, is that he still plans to waste a lot of money on frivolous bullshit. From what I can tell, he plans to reallocate wasteful spending to new wasteful spending. It will prevent new taxes, for a short while, but wasteful spending is still wasteful spending, no matter how you twist it.
Here's to hoping that Obama proves me wrong in my initial assumptions and actually succeeds to make America a better place. I don't expect it to happen, and I expect his billions in spending will do little to absolutely nothing in terms of advancement. We shall see, and I'm going to be patient, against my better judgment.
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #361141 is a reply to message #361097] |
Tue, 02 December 2008 20:04 |
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What a bizarre, ill-informed rant.
| Nunya wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 13:15 |
obama's health care plan is a JOKE. If you get coverage if your employer doesnt offer it, WHAT company in America would offer it then, if they dont have to offer one? Where is the money coming from to pay for it? YOU. The MIDDLE CLASS. The rich dont pay much taxes, and the poor pay ZERO.
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You are obviously painfully ignorant on this issue. Have you ever heard of tax credits?
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You people that voted for him are either easily fooled, or stupid. His wife is a mean lady, and gets paid over $120000 a year as a "consultant" for a food company here. She's never set foot in the building. Nothing but a union payoff (Story in the Chicago Sun Times April 2008).
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Nunya wears a tinfoil hat and smells his own farts. (Story in my dentist's Highlights magazine January 2005)
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I'm union. Have been since 1995. Clinton fought for NAFTA and got it passed. Jobs have gone away, but they blame Bush, even Reagan.
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H.W. spearheaded the negotiations for NAFTA. Clinton passed it in an attempt to "govern from the center." So are you for free trade, or against it?
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I'm not even bringing up obamas drug use, his gay connection, his love (Editor's Note: LOL?) of Bill Ayers, his lack of ever having a real fucking job, or ever wondering what it is like to barely pay your rent and not have 20 cents for a package of Ramen noodles.
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I've never seen someone so completely annihilate what little credibility they had in so few words. Bravo. I'm starting to think this is an elaborate fakepost.
Just for the record, let me fill everyone in on this alleged "gay connection" of Obama's.
A strange little man by the name of Larry Sinclair has gained notoriety for making wild accusations regarding gay sex, drugs and possible murder committed by Barack Obama. Not only would this be unbelievable on its own, but let me inform you that Mr. Sinclair has "a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit."
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Fuck obama, and all you idiots that voted for him.
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This is the most intellectually stimulating way to debate someone.
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I want to laugh at the misery he will cause you all, but I would feel bad about it. Nobody deserves obama. Well, the Taliban and AlQuieda does, but obama wants to play nice with them and "negotiate".
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The Taliban and al-Qaeda are what are known as "non-state actors." Obama has never declared any intention to negotiate with non-state actors, especially the likes of these two groups.
I know it's easy to set up bizarre straw-man arguments. You build them up and use them as a basis for your argument. The problem is, it makes you look like a fucking retard. Woops, you're starting to rub off on me.
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I've spent 4 years in the middle east, and I would feel safer wearing a KKK outfit yelling the "N" word in South Central LA than I would EVER going back to Saudi or Kuwait ever again. Those people HATE us, no matter WHAT we do. No matter what we WILL do.
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Perhaps you should have a word with all the Bush administration officials, Republicans, war hawks, neoconservatives, and AM radio talk show hosts who thought we would be greeted in Iraq as "liberators."
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Was this post enough to continue the flame and to get people to hate me? I can add to it if you'd like
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Oh, please, man! You've given me quite a laugh, here. (I'm serious.) 
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PS., I really HOPE obama will do the right thing.
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yeah brah, i c ur hearts in da rite playce. we kool, we kool
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I dont know WHY he'd want to be president now, he must be retarded. But I just cant see him doing ANYTHING right. He's a bullshitter. Its easy to catch a liar when you've been in the military, been an advisor to a government official
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It's crazy to think that a veteran and former government adviser knows what it feels like to not be able to afford a 20cent pack of ramen noodles. Man Nunya, you've sure fallen upon some hard times.
Anyway, I've heard all this shit before, so yeah? My dad works for Westwood and I'm gonna get you banned from these forums!!!!! 
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 09:18 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:11 |
No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on.
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If America was "founded on" democracy, then it sounds like you're the one who's done that. Y'know, the principle that you're allowed to choose for yourself which criteria to think about when casting your vote?
Tell me, if you watched an interview and a candidate was asked which book they found most inspirational and uplifting, and they said Mein Kampf, would it be unfair to take that into account? No? Then why not if the book was the Qu'ran, which - let's be honest - makes Mein Kampf look downright moderate?
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We weren't established as a democracy but a republic. As Chief Justice John Marshall said in Marbury v. Madison "the United States has been emphatically termed a government of laws, and not of men."
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #361181 is a reply to message #360876] |
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Note the words "if" and "on", and perhaps "democratic values" might've been better than "democracy"
| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 08:33 |
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You hate state religions, so why is it a good reason to focus on keeping Christians in office that are undoubtably going to keep religion in government?
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I'm absolutely mystified as to how you came to this conclusion.
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Well, most politicians profess to be Christian. At least, here in America. Even though most people don't act like they're part of Christianity, they won't vote for anyone who isn't Christian. Put an atheist up against a Christian with virtually the same voting record and about the same amount of experience, and the Christian will win, especially if the atheist is out-spoken about his/her beliefs.
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I know all this; you haven't answered my question. What was this garbage about "focusing on keeping Christians in office"?
| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 08:33 |
You clearly don't understand American voters, then. "Instead of" is appropriately used. Trust me.
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well, I guess it depends on your definition of "issue", doesn't it. If you show me someone who claims they live their life by a book as morally despicable as the Qu'ran or the Bible, someone who thinks there's something good about the prospect of armaggeddon, and inform me that there's a chance they'll be in charge... I personally think "issue" is too mild a word. "Emergency" is better imho
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| Re: Why did you vote for Obama? [message #361182 is a reply to message #361150] |
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| GoArmy44 wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 22:43 |
| Spoony wrote on Sun, 30 November 2008 09:18 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 14:11 |
No, they're not real Americans. They're American citizens, but they've abandoned most of everything America was founded on.
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If America was "founded on" democracy, then it sounds like you're the one who's done that. Y'know, the principle that you're allowed to choose for yourself which criteria to think about when casting your vote?
Tell me, if you watched an interview and a candidate was asked which book they found most inspirational and uplifting, and they said Mein Kampf, would it be unfair to take that into account? No? Then why not if the book was the Qu'ran, which - let's be honest - makes Mein Kampf look downright moderate?
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We weren't established as a democracy but a republic. As Chief Justice John Marshall said in Marbury v. Madison "the United States has been emphatically termed a government of laws, and not of men."
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And who made the laws?
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