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k, keep patting yourself on the back and proving me right about skill insecurity... just remember it was during the buffer map when we were mucking around anyway.
if you recall, you kept boasting about the series despite the fact your team lost... boasting about winning is one thing, boasting about losing is just lol
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #329772 is a reply to message #326325] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 10:47 |
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i just admitted i have skill insecurity if thats what u wanna call it, so keep provin ur point? i just said i don't care how well i play..so i guess that would be proving your point since im agreeing with you...moron
buffer map? it was on under, IHCHRIST teamkilled u with an arty on the buffer map lol...incase you're still confused even tho the logs actually showed that and he admitted to it...
jeez spoony, you're even more unintelligent than i thought, calling me out on something i already admitted to - you're the most stubborn person i've ever met lmfao
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Fri, 09 May 2008 10:59 |
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How does one go about providing a RenGuard screenshot when they aren't connected to RenGuard?
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #329804 is a reply to message #329772] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 13:48 |
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| NSStRyKeR wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 12:47 |
buffer map? it was on under, IHCHRIST teamkilled u with an arty on the buffer map lol...incase you're still confused even tho the logs actually showed that and he admitted to it...
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except I never complained about that or said it was you. This is what's known as a "straw-man" argument.
| NSStRyKeR wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 12:47 |
jeez spoony, you're even more unintelligent than i thought, calling me out on something i already admitted to - you're the most stubborn person i've ever met lmfao
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this is your way of diverting attention from the fact you lied about the situation again.
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #329994 is a reply to message #329982] |
Sat, 10 May 2008 23:06 |
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sorry, no, you didn't... it continually puzzles me why every single time someone's gotten completely worked up over renegade and spent six months trying to flame me about something, is absolutely convinced I'm angrier than they are...
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #330000 is a reply to message #329995] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 00:00 |
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except I didn't chief, you're the one who kept bringing it up over and over and over again in your anger and insecurity, I didn't even respond at all most of the time.
like I said, every time someone completely freaks out over something renegade and they spend six months constantly bitching about it, they always, always assume I'm the angry one, not them... it's an enigma and no mistake.
are you done here, can you finally get over being asked for a screenshot, or are you gonna spend another six months in a rage?
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #330010 is a reply to message #326325] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 01:16 |
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lol the internet just doesn't make me angry...you sit here and accuse everyone of being angry when in reality no one is, but that's always what you fall back on "you're so angry", not the case at all, i just pity how seriously you take renegade...
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #330019 is a reply to message #330010] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 03:41 |
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sigh...
one last time...
I'm not doing that, you are
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #351319 is a reply to message #330180] |
Thu, 18 September 2008 12:20 |
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Oh, and I'm reading this thread. I don't think your involvement>his involvement. Guess you might wanna re-write that statement. Don't be
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uh, are you slow? He's the one who started this LOL MY INVOLVEMENT IS > YOUR INVOLVEMENT pissing match, not me. You don't even know most of what I've done for the community... his
is limited to answering a few questions in the mod forum (wow) and actively attacking EA because he's too selfish to actually consider genuinely helping the games'
communities.
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Actually you did start it, or don't you remember?
| Spoony wrote on Sun, 20 April 2008 01:46 |
let's compare EA to you.
EA
What do they want? Consumers to buy their games.
What do they do to achieve it? Make games they think will sell.
Oblivion165
What do you want? EA games.
What do you do to achieve it? Steal them.
EA > you
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EA > you
Yeah, you started it there spoony, not oblivion.
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 03:46 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 08:11 |
I'm guessing neither of you have made a game the size of C&C3 or a
complete patch for it?
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I was replying to that. Or are you writing a game as big as CnC3 and keeping it up to date?
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 12:19 |
| roshambo wrote |
I was replying to that. Or are you writing a game as big as CnC3 and keeping it up to date?
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along those lines, yes
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 13:34 |
Sounds good, what's it called?
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 13:05 |
Who cares? It's nothing to do with Renegade
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 14:27 |
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Then nor did your statment, but you still said it.
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that's because the subject at hand isn't renegade.
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It never was, so why did you bring it up... oh yeah, beacuse he asked you what your supposed game you were making was called and that of couse deals with this dissicussion at hand.
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 14:27 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 15:00 |
So for a rebuttal you went ahead and did exactly what I said you were doing in every post you make. Advance your argument absolutely none and filled it in with more of your person opinion crap.
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again, complete nonsense, has no relation whatsoever to anything I've said... you're just spewing this crap to make yourself feel better about the fact you can't refute my arguments.
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I'm afraid that I must now disagree, as earlier you did a very nice job of saying something wasn't related to renegade, but it was related to this topic. This is something else that did relate and mattered, but once again your acting like it doesn't. (Look up at previous statement if you can't figure out what I mean).
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 09:47 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 03:41 |
No, that is incorrect as well.
The "pros" I referenced earlier had absolutly nothing to do with balance. Balance falls onto Greg Black as well as the rest of the C&C3 community. Not 10 single people who think they are gods.
The only thing that those people did was play it and tell EA if it was "worthy of a C&C title" and how in which ways the game could be better.
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I don't know where to begin telling you how wrong you are. Still, I may as well try.
1. "10 single people who think they are gods" - uh, there's no need to slate someone just because they're generally considered to be RTS experts and you're not
2. the "pros" you referenced earlier had EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BALANCE, they were at EA for weeks playing 1v1s constantly against other top players making sure every matchup was fair, if it wasn't fair then they tweaked the strengths of particular units, the game would be altered accordingly and they'd repeat the process the next day.
Tell me, if Westwood were making a Renegade 2, who'd you rather they got to do the alpha testing? People like me or people like you? 'cos I still remember our 1v1...
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Well lets see, I bet those 10 people would be the 10 people that when ever they joined a game, everyone else just quit because they new they were going to lose, and it would be a less then enjoyable loss at that.
And if EA spent so much time working on balance tweaks and other stuff, how did they manage to miss so many horribly obvious unbalanced aspects of the game? Half of which you could have observed for free just letting two AI players get at it.
You would want average people playing it, because if you let the best people around play at it, the game will be adjusted to fit them, and make it better for them to play. And the best people are never the majority of the players.
| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 12:01 |
Acquisitions are a part of doing business. It's good policy: If you can't beat them, buy them. You guys never know... maybe those smaller companies WANTED to be purchased by a major publisher like EA, so their owners, and employees could cash out, and make a mint. Lots of startups in the business world are created for just that reason.
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Well, I think we can speak for Westwood at least and say they did not want to be bought out, beings over half their employees quit when EA finally started taking control.
| NukeIt15 wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 08:13 |
Whatever you may think of EA's practices, there are a few facts which just cannot be denied:
1. EA games have consistently shown poorer quality control for several years now, as evidenced by glaringly obvious bugs that couldn't possibly have been missed in a thorough beta (as with the aforementioned jump/damage exploit in BF2).
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I don't know about you, but it only makes sense that Standing on your own RDX + Detonation said RDX = Super high jump with no side effects...
| NukeIt15 wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 08:13 |
2. EA games are frequently just re-hashed clones of previously released EA games, i.e. BF2-2142 and ALL of their licensed sports titles.
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Yep, and if their not there will probably be other games made off of them.
| NukeIt15 wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 08:13 |
3. EA expansion packs barely deserve the name- the prime example here is The Sims, whose expansions consist of a few new items and similar eye-candy for a full-expansion price of $30 or more.
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Northern Strike was so worth it... I mean, I get 4 additional tools to choose from, and all the new maps that came with it I can't join because it tells me to reinstall the game... even after a clean install.
| NukeIt15 wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 08:13 |
4. Despite all of the above, the lion's share of EA titles consistently receive reviews above 70% and continue to sell millions of copies each year.
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Probably comes down to the shiny box factor and hopes that this game will be better then the last...
| NukeIt15 wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 08:13 |
5. EA shows consistent disregard for community input and favors quick-fix patches rather than permanent, reliable solutions- as in the last C&C3 patch, which altered gameplay aspects (namely the use and placement of power plants) which have long been the cornerstone of tactics in the series rather than addressing the issue beneath the surface (shit builds too damned fast). Their original "fix" for BF2's jump/damage exploit was equally laughable; rather than remove the glitch that allowed jumping players to be immune to damage, they changed it so players could no longer fire weapons while jumping.
Diagnosis, hmm?
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What!?! Are you trying to tell us you can jump AND pull a trigger on a gun at the SAME time, thats ridiculous.
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 12:20 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 12:57 |
They did not have anything to do with balance. They made blogs on how balance was made, those people were not there for weeks, they were only there to answer questions and test out the game. The only feed back they gave was for gameplay.
Of course there was balance feedback but most likely only slightly. Read Greg Black's "Art of Balancing" blog on the EA website... I don't feel like getting the link. It shows how much work he goes into balancing each unit at a time.
Also, they were the ones who got stuff most other people don't like in. They also requested some other things as well that are liked, however I don't know what they are...
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you are absolutely dead wrong.
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Thats a good point, I like how you said absolutely...
Oh wait there is more... oh but its all just stuff other people or possibly you have said already, which then you tweaked here and there.
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 12:22 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 13:14 |
Anybody who bitches about companies like EA, Microsoft, and Apple better never open their own businesses for the sake of not being hypocrites.
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I disagree, I think the absolute best thing for retards like Oblivion to do is start a gaming company... then when it fails utterly, they'll either learn some humility, or they'll get even angrier at EA for succeeding where they failed...
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You know, I think its rather childish for you to keep picking on people when you disagree, talking about how poor they are and things like that. Especially when there wasn't more then 3 other people that disagreed with him, and the rest all disagree with you.
PS. sorry about bumping such an old topic, I was putting this together as I read though it, and only noticed how old it was once I got to the end.
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Thu, 25 September 2008 08:21 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
Actually you did start it, or don't you remember?
| Spoony wrote on Sun, 20 April 2008 01:46 |
let's compare EA to you.
EA
What do they want? Consumers to buy their games.
What do they do to achieve it? Make games they think will sell.
Oblivion165
What do you want? EA games.
What do you do to achieve it? Steal them.
EA > you
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EA > you
Yeah, you started it there spoony, not oblivion.
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except there are posts before that where he says I'm "nobody of importance". plus I think you missed the point; you're saying who started the "my involvement > your involvement" was me rather than him; what I'm saying there isn't "I do more for this game than Oblivion does", it's "Oblivion is worse than EA" which is an entirely different statement.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
It never was, so why did you bring it up... oh yeah, beacuse he asked you what your supposed game you were making was called and that of couse deals with this dissicussion at hand.
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why bring it up? I was just showing oblivion some of the things you can do if you're unsatisfied with a game... you can actually help the community, make patches etc. I've done that, he's specifically said he "wants them to die" and claims he's actively working toward that goal.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
I'm afraid that I must now disagree, as earlier you did a very nice job of saying something wasn't related to renegade, but it was related to this topic. This is something else that did relate and mattered, but once again your acting like it doesn't. (Look up at previous statement if you can't figure out what I mean).
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The name of the game and the project is irrelevant; the fact that I did the project is relevant. I know this is complicated
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
Well lets see, I bet those 10 people would be the 10 people that when ever they joined a game, everyone else just quit because they new they were going to lose, and it would be a less then enjoyable loss at that.
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...if you're making a point here it's unclear to me...
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
And if EA spent so much time working on balance tweaks and other stuff, how did they manage to miss so many horribly obvious unbalanced aspects of the game? Half of which you could have observed for free just letting two AI players get at it.
You would want average people playing it, because if you let the best people around play at it, the game will be adjusted to fit them, and make it better for them to play. And the best people are never the majority of the players.
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what you ideally want is a closed alpha with the top players, then an open beta... it's taken EA a while but they've finally figured that out after a few false starts, look at RA3.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 12:20 |
you are absolutely dead wrong.
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Thats a good point, I like how you said absolutely...
Oh wait there is more... oh but its all just stuff other people or possibly you have said already, which then you tweaked here and there.
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"absolutely" is a very accurate word in this context; his summary of what goes on in the alphas was entirely wrong, he's either getting his info from people who've never actually done them or he's just downright guessing.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
You know, I think its rather childish for you to keep picking on people when you disagree, talking about how poor they are and things like that.
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you can't figure out why I guessed that he's poor? considering how many games he seems intent on stealing?
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
especially when there wasn't more then 3 other people that disagreed with him, and the rest all disagree with you.
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you all agree that it is morally acceptable to steal from a company because you don't like their products?
you all agree that if you are unhappy with a game (like, say, renegade) it is preferable to try to "kill" the publisher rather than make patches and whatnot?
these two points are the crux of my entire stance in this thread, so give me a yes or a no to both of those questions.
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #358514 is a reply to message #352086] |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 25 September 2008 09:21 |
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
You know, I think its rather childish for you to keep picking on people when you disagree, talking about how poor they are and things like that.
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you can't figure out why I guessed that he's poor? considering how many games he seems intent on stealing?
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Reload on that one, I think its wrong to attack someone on what you believe their financial status to be.
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 25 September 2008 09:21 |
| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 14:20 |
especially when there wasn't more then 3 other people that disagreed with him, and the rest all disagree with you.
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you all agree that it is morally acceptable to steal from a company because you don't like their products?
you all agree that if you are unhappy with a game (like, say, renegade) it is preferable to try to "kill" the publisher rather than make patches and whatnot?
these two points are the crux of my entire stance in this thread, so give me a yes or a no to both of those questions.
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I guess I just believe that most people that torrent games will go out and actually buy those games if they are any fun, otherwise they probably wont keep playing them anyways.
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Sat, 15 November 2008 02:31 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 14 November 2008 17:16 |
Reload on that one, I think its wrong to attack someone on what you believe their financial status to be.
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if your previous post gave me the suspicion that you really haven't paid much attention to anything that's been said in this thread, this one has helpfully confirmed it.
| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 14 November 2008 17:16 |
I guess I just believe that most people that torrent games will go out and actually buy those games if they are any fun, otherwise they probably wont keep playing them anyways.
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Don't dodge my question. Yes or no.
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you all agree that it is morally acceptable to steal from a company because you don't like their products?
you all agree that if you are unhappy with a game (like, say, renegade) it is preferable to try to "kill" the publisher rather than make patches and whatnot?
these two points are the crux of my entire stance in this thread, so give me a yes or a no to both of those questions.
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Otherwise I'll just make the obvious assumption that your answer is yes to both, since the opposition to these two things are my clearly stated views in this thread and you stated equally clearly that 'most people disagreed with me'.
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #358668 is a reply to message #358514] |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 14 November 2008 17:16 |
I guess I just believe that most people that torrent games will go out and actually buy those games if they are any fun, otherwise they probably wont keep playing them anyways.
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It's been my experience that most people do not buy games after downloading them. After they pass a game, play through multiplayer, etc., they'll just get bored, and grab the next new game.
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