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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #348896 is a reply to message #348806] |
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| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
IMO
Whats needs fixing:
PT Bug (when re-joining the game after a dis-con or kick)
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Already fixed on my server. I'm pretty sure it's to be included in the TT patch as well.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
Losing all money when committing suicide
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Absolutely not. That's NOT a bug. The developers found out rather quickly that once a beacon was deployed or a building was being attacked badly, they would suicide to get back home. There HAS to be a rather substantial penalty so you can't use suicide as a "get out of jail free" card. Having a public !killme command is just retarded for the same reason. Use of a !kill command should be moderated against abuse.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
Ramjets shooting tanks and getting stupid points. This is serious, because shooting tanks all game with jet gets people on MVP 80% of the time.
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100% agree. I hope you realize that the fix that prevents this is one of the most hotly-contested bugs we've fixed.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
The whole create a new user thing after XWIS took over from WW. Its not obvious what needs to be done to create an account for the fresh newbie. Because assuming the newbie has a brain, he would click 'create new account' etc, not just type a username and password. Beleive it or not but this may have prevented 1000's of people from ever trying the game out.
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Agreed. I hope that we can do something about this.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
Serious lack of maps and fan map servers. This should be encouraged, I beleive it will pull more gamers back, not everyone is content with playing Complex, field, under etc forever. Automatic map downloads should be given a higher priority than it is
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I am under the impression that an auto map downloader is on the list for the first patch. I don't know how much more of a priority we can give it.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
Shooting tanks with Apc's and getting points, I dont think this is a priority. I do it sometimes to make money if i'm strapped for cash. Of course, its unfair to do it purely to get more points.
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With the points fix, the points gained are proportionate to the damage you're doing to the tank. I hope you don't mean that you shouldn't get ANY points when you are in fact damaging the tank.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
Accessing PT from outside building. Yes its a bug, but its also annoying to have to run ALL the way into the building when you are on the other side. I see it as a convienience rather that a bug that urgently needs to be fixed.
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In my understanding, this item will be tested for its affects on gameplay and the results of that will determine its implementation.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 10:29 |
General comments
I'm still anxious about patch becuase its a lot of changes at once. Might be an idea to release CP3.1 fixing important stuff and then all the other bits can be rolled out in CP3.2.
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That's why we'll be beta testing the patch.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 16:37 |
Are you actually programmers/modders? Or are you just gamers trying to be Crimson's lap dogs?
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What the fuck?!?!?!
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #348920 is a reply to message #348806] |
Mon, 01 September 2008 09:48 |
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| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
You missed the general point I made and instead just pick the one aspect you disagree with (suicide) which makes up less than 1% of the content of the post and forget everything else.
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no problem, here goes.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Are you actually programmers/modders?
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Me? No. The rest of TT are. I'm just a guy who's trying to make sure the game stays balanced, considering everything that'll be changed.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Or are you just gamers trying to be Crimson's lap dogs?
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forgive me if I take the fifth on this one.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Whats needs fixing:
PT Bug (when re-joining the game after a dis-con or kick)
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already gonna be fixed as far as I know.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Losing all money when committing suicide
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like I said, this should not be arbitrarily "fixed"... it's a required feature sometimes in clan matches, community matches etc. it's a way of setting everyone's credits to zero at once and beginning the game on a fair footing. if you wanna die without losing your money, enable the !kill command. THAT shouldn't be arbitrarily enabled either, because it is sometimes very strategically wise to leave your enemy alive.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Ramjets shooting tanks and getting stupid points. This is serious, because shooting tanks all game with jet gets people on MVP 80% of the time.
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yes, the "pointsfix" achieves this - it means the points you get are directly proportionate to the damage you do. since ramjets do negligible damage to heavy armour, they'll get negligible points for shooting heavy armour, on a server with the pointsfix.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
The whole create a new user thing after XWIS took over from WW. Its not obvious what needs to be done to create an account for the fresh newbie. Because assuming the newbie has a brain, he would click 'create new account' etc, not just type a username and password. Beleive it or not but this may have prevented 1000's of people from ever trying the game out.
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well, yes.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Serious lack of maps and fan map servers. This should be encouraged, I beleive it will pull more gamers back, not everyone is content with playing Complex, field, under etc forever. Automatic map downloads should be given a higher priority than it is
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Valid.
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Mixed feelings
Shooting tanks with Apc's and getting points, I dont think this is a priority. I do it sometimes to make money if i'm strapped for cash. Of course, its unfair to do it purely to get more points.
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see: pointsfix. like I said, with the pointsfix you get points based on how much damage you're doing. APCs do actually damage tanks, so even with the pointsfix they do get points for doing so. They just don't get stupidly high amounts...
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Accessing PT from outside building. Yes its a bug, but its also annoying to have to run ALL the way into the building when you are on the other side. I see it as a convienience rather that a bug that urgently needs to be fixed.
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*shrug* as far as I know, this'll be optional...
| kannies wrote on Sun, 31 August 2008 12:29 |
Take me seriously or not, I may have a relatvly new account on this forum but I've bin in CnC picture for a long time and I understand the implications patches cause. As this patch is for non-commercial gain, I have very mixed feelings, especially with the rapidly shrinking user base.
Its a risk of whether it will drive people away or bring people in.
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well, so far there seem to have only been two aspects of the patch which have caused a schism in the community (the pointsfix and the PT-through-walls), both of which TT have offered to give individual server-side choices on, to the best of my knowledge. Just ask yourself how many people have been driven away by cheaters.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #348931 is a reply to message #348890] |
Mon, 01 September 2008 11:00 |
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| gkl21 wrote on Mon, 01 September 2008 12:34 |
Putting suicide without taking away money and/or items will lead to people going down to/within 10% health, not giving another person (team) the point / credit for a kill and it will be abused, garanteed. Suicide is ok the way it is (Bye money, Bye items associated with you). Get someone to !kill you, or c4 yourself if you are stuck.
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I understand. I'll be honest and say half of those things never crossed my mind as I saw it as being used if you're stuck in the terrain or to avoid glitch such as the PT bug.
Suicide back to base to stop beacons, absolutly would be abused. So make em pay with their creds 
Thx Spoony & Crimson for the response. I have no more questions so go do your what you need to make Renegade better.
Yes there is a lot of debate and arguments on the patch and a lot of people disagree with aspects of it but the same thing happened a few weeks back when the patch for Kanes Wrath was released as it completly altered the multiplayer game opening. Infact the KW patch and the changes it occured were 10 times as vast as what CP3 is proposing. But people still got used to it and i'm sure whoever is left playing renegade will get used to this patch.
The main difference is TT is being completly open with the community about whats going to happen, EA on the other hand tend to shroud a lot things until the release date. They are gradually getting better and I think the successfull release of this patch will send a strong message to EA.
I think we're lucky to have few individuals willing to put the time and effort into this.
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 01 September 2008 11:48 |
Just ask yourself how many people have been driven away by cheaters.
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The one and perhaps only thing that would drive me away also
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #348965 is a reply to message #345981] |
Mon, 01 September 2008 22:43 |
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I vote for 1,000 credits lost for suicide. I mean, you could simply run out, fight and kill heaps of people, and as someone is about to kill you just suicide, making no ramifications but for a small loss in income. You get 3/5ths of that back in one Harvester dump.
I have a better idea.
Get the !killme command (typed into F2) and make that universal, if within 20, maybe 30 meters of one of your side's Purchase Terminals.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #348968 is a reply to message #345981] |
Mon, 01 September 2008 23:32 |
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Suicide is perfectly fine the way it is, IMO. Such a drastic action should be countered by a drastic loss of money.
There's a problem with !donate there, btw. People tend to donate their money to a mate, suicide and then get donated back which has the same result as the normal !killme .
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #348995 is a reply to message #348968] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 07:37 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 02 September 2008 02:32 |
Suicide is perfectly fine the way it is, IMO. Such a drastic action should be countered by a drastic loss of money.
There's a problem with !donate there, btw. People tend to donate their money to a mate, suicide and then get donated back which has the same result as the normal !killme .
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That should be disallowed by server owners imo. It's fine the way it is.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #350538 is a reply to message #346007] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 16:41 |
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| jonwil wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 19:16 |
If something can be identified as a bug in renegade, I for one intend to do everything I can to get it fixed, even if its not necessarily all that big.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #350541 is a reply to message #350538] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 17:40 |
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| thrash300 wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:41 |
The Major Thing To Do Would Be To Get Ahold Of The Server That Has The Patches For Renegade The Westwood F.T.P. Server If You Get A Hold Of The Keys To It You Can Revolutionized The Game But There Would Have To Be Patches And Updates Being Made.
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I think I understand this particular mess of yours this time around. Like it's been said before; if EA sees the patch as fit, it will be officially pushed, and you'll have to update to play online.
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