| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346495 is a reply to message #346492] |
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| karmai wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 10:03 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 03:31 |
That you can kill more than one building by one nuke on multiple maps. I don't know how well spread this is used, I suppose it will become much more well spread now  . One of our clan members "discovered" this and starting extensive testing on multiple maps to find the right spot. I'm not saying he's the first to have known about this, though, I don't know that.
Anyway, in small games it's enough that one tech repairs (it can outrepair or slow down destruction) and a nuke can kill 2 buildings in one run and would be very hard to stop. I'm not just talking about sbh but for every nuker/ioner. Techie/hottie with nuke/ion can kill 3 buildings in one run on some maps.
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you can only double nuke buildings on a few maps, usually its on GDI where theres no PT's on the outside of nods buildings anyways (except a few spots on the strip part.
Complex gdi, Volcano GDI, field GDI, Walls fly GDI
PT's on the outside of buildings wont ever help you there dude, theres no PT's on nods REF PP HAND, and if anything the PT on the outside of the strip is competly useless unless theres likea hottie inside the strip and you want to run through mines then refill
this is a glitch that absolutly needs fixing, NOD has NO PT's on the outside of their buildings that are usefull.. gdi's barracks is just stacked with PT glitches, i've covered nukes for a good 35 seconds then had 2 people trade out to hotties and just disarm my shit instantly, no way this game was meant to be that way.
If you guys dont fix hte PT's, but turn on mandatory point fix you're all fucking idiots
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There's many more double nuke spots, out of my head: city flying and hourglass are both missing to start with and there's probably more that I missed as well. There's also some spots where 1 building goes down and the other one is red after a
About Nod useful PT spots on the outside: think of the airstrip PT on Field --> to disarm ion at the back of ref, to kill hotties sneaking in, ... It's utmost useful there: the closest PT nearby would be obelisk otherwise! Think of the obelisk PT which can be very useful on Under when GDI is rushing.
It's true the barracks has more PT's but tbh you can only use one at a time and they're very close to eachother.
Noone says they shouldn't fix the PT bug, there's just two ways of fixing them: one by disabling it and one by putting PT at the outside. Maybe they could even make a go between: disable all of them except one that can still be accessible on the outside. That way it may still be intresting to run inside rather than to use it from the outside if the outside one is at the other side of the building. That's just an in-between idea, I'm not expressing an opinion on its value.
Also noone here is an idiot, just because they disagree with you. Being narrow minded won't help your ideas to be accepted.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346508 is a reply to message #345981] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 03:29 |
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I forgot about hourglass, and city fly the double nuke is only on NOD aswell... plus there are NO PT'S AT THE REF OR THE POWERPLANT ON THE OUTSIDE
ok, so Nod can only use the advantage of outside PT's on field.. i cant think of ANY other situation where they become useful.
The double nukes are ALL on gdi, how the FUCK does the outside PT help you?
sorry think before you post
PTs on the outside are only extremly useful on every map for GDI.. nod can ONLY map use of them if the airstrip door is mined with GDI MINES, you dont have time to disarm, run into them, refill outside, run in again. even then you'll only have 1 set of hotties mines, takes just as much time to disarm.
oh, and if someone nukes on field.. but
if you nuke on field @ ref on nod, you can hardly move without the ob shooting you.. you'd hardly need to get a refill
the PT glitch is hardcore unfair for NOD, if i havent given enough examples of that already.. and yes GOWZOW, you are STUPID if you think that glitch should stay in this game
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346514 is a reply to message #346512] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 04:39 |
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gowzow, goztow, whatever your name is.. it doesnt matter, i've never seen or played you in a game.. forgive me for not knowing your fucking renegade nickname 
my post proves that the PT bug is taken advantage of by GDI nearly every game, and NOD can only use it on select maps in select sitations which are pretty rare (Ref nukes on field are never used in clanwars, NOD will destroy the entire base if a player takes the time to lay the beacon leaving the team lop sided in the field, and in public servers someone usually mines for it)
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346523 is a reply to message #346497] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 05:52 |
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| TD wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 03:55 |
Well, I guess instead of adding outside PT's, they should be disabled. I've thought about the fixes again and I guess Karmai is making good points up there. I change my decision, fix the glitches, create new tactics. I'm actually kinda bored of the same tactics anyway. I might even approve pointsfix to see how people make up new tactics because of the changes
I hope to see this patch anytime soon, with all the glitches fixed, but especially with an anti-cheat system that will be maintained as long as Renegade is alive.
Go for it TT
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346533 is a reply to message #345981] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 07:16 |
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Anything thought about mining for the nuke on gdi field... how long that will take, and then there is disarming it, if the sbh gets a couple of lucky shots on you the barracks is done.
I'm reffering to a agt up situation where you nuke at the rock near the tunnels.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346537 is a reply to message #346523] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 08:01 |
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| gkl21 wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 14:52 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 03:55 |
Well, I guess instead of adding outside PT's, they should be disabled. I've thought about the fixes again and I guess Karmai is making good points up there. I change my decision, fix the glitches, create new tactics. I'm actually kinda bored of the same tactics anyway. I might even approve pointsfix to see how people make up new tactics because of the changes
I hope to see this patch anytime soon, with all the glitches fixed, but especially with an anti-cheat system that will be maintained as long as Renegade is alive.
Go for it TT
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346562 is a reply to message #345981] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 10:53 |
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Yeah, as for the double nuke, I have to agree that outside PT access won't come into play much there. Don't forget too that it has to be in a certain spot, meaning right out in the open, so you take the extra risk. On field, the Obelisk Purchase Terminal isn't THAT far away to be honest. It's not "right there", but you have over 30 seconds. You can also lay mines there to thwart them (it's possible ti do it to where they either have to suicide and come back or use an ally, and if you get a random kill, you know they hit your mines). Don't exploit the PTs for lack of defense. Nothing fully replaces an active defense, that's just how it is plain and simple, and if you're off attacking and they happen to attack you then, they got the better of you in that instant, plain and simple, and you don't deserve the PT bug to work out of it. Try to compensate by getting something of theirs while their away from base. I know what you're saying by the long walk from the barracks to behind it, but that's the only even half decent situation I can think of, and even then, I think it's balanced out in the gameplay (costs and timing and everything). We're all just so used to it, and some people think SBHs are overpowered, but the bug really is more negative in terms of actual balance, and that's why I think it should go. Old habits die hard, but let this bad one die. Outside PT access and pointsfix are two of the best, if not the two best, gameplay bug fixes Renegade needs in my opinion.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346742 is a reply to message #345981] |
Thu, 14 August 2008 15:06 |
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Really I don't think it's a huge deal but it will change gameplay. It may mean nukes will go off more but tbh if I hear a nuke I grab an engi/hotwire before I get there. If one can be added server-side after I don't see the harm in trying this anyways.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346768 is a reply to message #346440] |
Thu, 14 August 2008 23:29 |
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| Saberhawk wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 14:49 |
| thrash300 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 14:48 |
| Nune wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 16:44 |
I appreciate a lot of the shit you are doing, but some stuff is pissing me off.
You aren't listening to people!
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Can You Guys Make It That When You Host A Game And You Set The Player Count To More That 1 You Don't Have The "Game Play Is Pending.". Thing, Can You Make The Weapons Spawn After You Kill Somebody, Tune Up The Whole Thing Because There Are A Lot Of Things That Don't Work Whey You Host A Game Like It Being Laddered And Hopefully People With This New Scripts That You Guys Are Working On Can Automatically Download The Maps Without Having To Download A Bit Map Pack But Please Fix The Host A Game Option It Can Be Better I Think.
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Well Why Not It Won't Change The Game Play It Would Just Fix The Bugs And Make It Work Like Its Suppost To I Think.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346772 is a reply to message #346768] |
Fri, 15 August 2008 00:33 |
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| thrash300 wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 01:29 |
| Saberhawk wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 14:49 |
| thrash300 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 14:48 |
| Nune wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 16:44 |
I appreciate a lot of the shit you are doing, but some stuff is pissing me off.
You aren't listening to people!
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Can You Guys Make It That When You Host A Game And You Set The Player Count To More That 1 You Don't Have The "Game Play Is Pending.". Thing, Can You Make The Weapons Spawn After You Kill Somebody, Tune Up The Whole Thing Because There Are A Lot Of Things That Don't Work Whey You Host A Game Like It Being Laddered And Hopefully People With This New Scripts That You Guys Are Working On Can Automatically Download The Maps Without Having To Download A Bit Map Pack But Please Fix The Host A Game Option It Can Be Better I Think.
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No.
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Well Why Not It Won't Change The Game Play It Would Just Fix The Bugs And Make It Work Like Its Suppost To I Think.
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Because you type like that. And yes, it does change the gameplay. PS: What you think does not matter.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346786 is a reply to message #345981] |
Fri, 15 August 2008 04:19 |
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