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| Re: Racism [message #371484 is a reply to message #371483] |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 17:59 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 18:07 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 15:55 |
Altruism does not and cannot exist. Period.
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I disagree. It just cannot exist amongst everyone.
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1. the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.
Not possible. When you get down to the bare reasoning as to why you're practicing "unselfish concern", it's purely egotistical. Even if you're doing something you HATE for someone you HATE, you aren't showing "unselfish concern". You are doing it in hopes that the favor is returned, thus having a selfish motive.
Altruism does not and cannot exist.
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It's quite possible to do it for both out of concern for others, and yes, so the favor would be returned. To sort of make a mutual trust and friendship with someone else, or atleast in hopes of it.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Racism [message #371503 is a reply to message #371496] |
Tue, 10 February 2009 19:29 |
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u6795
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 20:50 |
Then, you're not doing it out of altruism. You're doing it, so that it benefits you in some way.
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BUT LOL JEEZUS DIDN WANT NUTHIN IN RETURN!
yeah
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| Re: Racism [message #371515 is a reply to message #371483] |
Tue, 10 February 2009 20:42 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 18:59 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 18:07 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 15:55 |
Altruism does not and cannot exist. Period.
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I disagree. It just cannot exist amongst everyone.
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1. the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.
Not possible. When you get down to the bare reasoning as to why you're practicing "unselfish concern", it's purely egotistical. Even if you're doing something you HATE for someone you HATE, you aren't showing "unselfish concern". You are doing it in hopes that the favor is returned, thus having a selfish motive.
Altruism does not and cannot exist.
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I can't agree with this. Although I somewhat agree with your statement, your point is easily contradicted.
I actually spent like 20 min writing a post explaining why I think that, but it turned out making it seem like I was promoting myself too much (and no, I don't think I'm a selfless person). I ended up turning it into a personal assessment of myself... and as such I didn't think anyone would be interested in reading it. :V
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| Re: Racism [message #371523 is a reply to message #371515] |
Tue, 10 February 2009 23:26 |
z310
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Say you unselfishly help others. Is that rational? Does it make sense to help somebody with no personal gain? If you deny altruism's impossibility, can you justify regarding action?
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| Re: Racism [message #371535 is a reply to message #371463] |
Wed, 11 February 2009 02:45 |
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Humans naturally do not care about the wellbeing of people they don´t know. Therefore, everyone is selfish. Wether it´s doing volunteers work to calm your conscious, give you some self fulfillment or even bragging rights. Even simply expressing compassion for people you don´t know because society says it´s the right thing to do. You´re always doing it for yourself. Even when I´m typing this post to deliver you all some truth, I´m doing it so I can feel superior to all you dumbasses.
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| Re: Racism [message #371537 is a reply to message #371463] |
Wed, 11 February 2009 03:12 |
z310
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By partaking in such common decency, one can fit in, gain respect, gain reputation, and feel good about him- or herself. Performing an action for those selfish reasons, with or without being aware of it, makes sense. Performing an action with no personal satisfaction and thus no reasonings does not make sense.
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| Re: Racism [message #371544 is a reply to message #371537] |
Wed, 11 February 2009 04:26 |
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| z310 wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 11:12 |
By partaking in such common decency, one can fit in, gain respect, gain reputation, and feel good about him- or herself. Performing an action for those selfish reasons, with or without being aware of it, makes sense. Performing an action with no personal satisfaction and thus no reasonings does not make sense.
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This doesn't make it less noble. The very fact that you value respect enough to do things to gain it, seems a very noble way of living IMO.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Racism [message #371568 is a reply to message #371483] |
Wed, 11 February 2009 07:24 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 17:59 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 18:07 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 15:55 |
Altruism does not and cannot exist. Period.
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I disagree. It just cannot exist amongst everyone.
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1. the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.
Not possible. When you get down to the bare reasoning as to why you're practicing "unselfish concern", it's purely egotistical. Even if you're doing something you HATE for someone you HATE, you aren't showing "unselfish concern". You are doing it in hopes that the favor is returned, thus having a selfish motive.
Altruism does not and cannot exist.
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What about charitable donations that are done anonymously? For example, my father made a pretty substantial donation to a charity after the Boxing Day tsunami a few years back. It can't have been to show what a nice guy he was because he didn't tell anybody about it - including our family (I just found the thankyou letter when I was helping him clear out the garage recently). The only plausible argument that that could've been 'selfish' was that it might have made him feel good, but he could've spent the money doing something which he certainly would've enjoyed more.
Another example, my league admin work. I'm not really talking about Renegade here, but at CW I was the admin of quite a few leagues and I didn't tell anybody about it. That wasn't to feel good either, it was pretty damn annoying sometimes.
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1. the inevitable criticism one receives after doing something awful
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| Re: Racism [message #371604 is a reply to message #371523] |
Wed, 11 February 2009 09:47 |
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R315r4z0r
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So what you are saying is that there is always a reason behind someone's actions, good or bad, beneficial to them or otherwise?
What if the only reasoning was to make it easier for someone else? Regardless if it makes it easier or harder for yourself?
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