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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113183] |
Sun, 05 September 2004 07:42   |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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You're not going to register to read the thing? Damn. It takes like 2 minutes, and the quotes from those articles would fill up a ton of space on here. Those articles reference the first third of your post. If you can't be bothered to read what is there, then go away.
And believe me, I don't look or act like Zell Miller.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113207] |
Sun, 05 September 2004 10:19 |
Riftgarde
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Good idea to vote for the man that members of his own party support the man running against him.
John Kerry is the ass, and I say that not by what is said about him, but what came from the fuckhead's own mouth.
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113210] |
Sun, 05 September 2004 10:38 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Good idea to vote for the man that members of his own party support the man running against him.
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Some people from one party will always back another candidate, Zell Miller is just the only real vocal Democrat for Bush. And I'm not going to pick my candidate one what some 9,000 year old senile crazy guy has to say. Especially when he presents himself like he did at the Republican Convention.
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Of course, everyone who disagrees with the liberals is always something bad. For preaching tolerance you sure don't seem to practice it. Or is it that you only tolerate what you like, and nothing more? You're a fucking hypocrite at best...
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Not everyone who disagrees with liberals is bad in my book, in fact, I consider very few of them to be so. I only despise Zell Miller because of his ruthless lying attacks at the Convention. It's the most slanderous political speech I've ever heard in my life. Did you in fact even watch it? Zell Miller deserves no respect after what he said.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113282] |
Sun, 05 September 2004 19:03 |
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First off, Zell Miller is a former marine who served in Korea. For that alone he deserves your respect, say anything negative about the man's character again and I'll find you and kick the crap outta you myself.*
Second, behold -> http://miller.senate.gov/bio.htm The short version of Senator Miller's biography. He is a public servant, not a bloody career politican.
Thirdly, Senator Miller is one of the few Democrats in D.C. with any sort of integrity left, the rest of shills for whatever special interest group tosses them a check.
*Admins I would never actually do this as I know that Engi is a "empty head full of mush" that believes anything that comes out of the Kerry camp's collective mouths. I use it simply to make my point.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113319] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 07:02 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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The funny part is superlfyingliberal probably did not even know who Zell miller was until someone started bashing him on democraticunderground.com
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Nodbugger, the first time I saw Zell Miller was on Hannity & Colmes when I was flipping through the news channels maybe a year or so ago. And I didn't think much of him back then, either.
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Second, behold -> http://miller.senate.gov/bio.htm The short version of Senator Miller's biography. He is a public servant, not a bloody career politican.
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liberator, that bio was probably written by himself or one of his aides with the objective of making Zell look better. It's garbage. Zell Miller is so disliked in the Senate that he doesn't even go in the building any more.
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Thirdly, Senator Miller is one of the few Democrats in D.C. with any sort of integrity left, the rest of shills for whatever special interest group tosses them a check.
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Uh...ok, am I just supposed to accept this for fact or something?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113363] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 12:20 |
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Uh...ok, am I just supposed to accept this for fact or something?
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Yea.. Just like we're supposed to take "all those lies at the RNC" as fact.. I think you've been asked like 3 times to list them and show why they are lies.. are we just avoiding the subject?
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113366] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 12:40 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Did you read the Washington Post articles?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113382] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 14:15 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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So he wants me to copy and paste a whole load of information from there to here? That would take up a ton of space, when I could not flood this thread and instead have 2 links. It's not that much to ask.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113388] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 15:07 |
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So he wants me to copy and paste a whole load of information from there to here? That would take up a ton of space, when I could not flood this thread and instead have 2 links. It's not that much to ask.
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So basically, you can't argue the points, or even summarize them.. I'm just supposed to go register on some liberal rag's Web site so I can read what you're upset about..
no thanks..
If you want to have a conversation here, bitch about someone or something, then I would at least expect you to be able to do that yourself.. I can search the news myself and formulate my own opinions.
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113393] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 15:43 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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So basically, you can't argue the points, or even summarize them.. I'm just supposed to go register on some liberal rag's Web site so I can read what you're upset about..
no thanks..
If you want to have a conversation here, bitch about someone or something, then I would at least expect you to be able to do that yourself.. I can search the news myself and formulate my own opinions.
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You're calling the Washington Post a rag magazine? I'm this close to just not caring any more. I'm supposed to post factual information here instead of linking you to it? What the crap? Or am I supposed to be making things up? If you don't want to have the hardship of spending maybe a minute registering on a website, well, have fun living in ignorance. But I don't feel like paraphrasing anything here.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113400] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 16:50 |
msgtpain
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You're calling the Washington Post a rag magazine?
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Most definately. But since you're what.. 16? I wouldn't expect that you honestly have much historical perspective on what a "rag" magazine is.
Do a little research and you'll find that it is indeed right up there in the top billing for national "rags".. It may have become a little
softer in the last decade, but it has always been, and will most likely always remain a liberal soap box.
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I'm this close to just not caring any more.
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Suit yourself. Am I supposed to care that you are close to not caring?
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I'm supposed to post factual information here instead of linking you to it?
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No, you're supposed to formulate your own opinions, make your own arguments, research what you are touting as "fact" and let us know
why you feel that what you believe is worth arguing about. Posting links which validate your beliefs typically helps as well.
Any bonehead can post a link to an article and spout "Yea, What he said!"
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If you don't want to have the hardship of spending maybe a minute registering on a website, well, have fun living in ignorance.
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No, if I refuse to register for the site and read the article, I'm only living in YOUR ignorance, since you can't even relay to me what
the article is about. If I were to register for the site and read the article, and simply dismiss everything it stated because "it's a liberal rag", then
I would be living in my ignorance.
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But I don't feel like paraphrasing anything here.
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Which is why I don't feel like taking your argument very seriously.
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113404] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 17:42 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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since you're what.. 16?
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Do a little research and you'll find that it is indeed right up there in the top billing for national "rags".. It may have become a little
softer in the last decade, but it has always been, and will most likely always remain a liberal soap box.
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What would you call a better news source?
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No, you're supposed to formulate your own opinions, make your own arguments, research what you are touting as "fact" and let us know
why you feel that what you believe is worth arguing about. Posting links which validate your beliefs typically helps as well.
Any bonehead can post a link to an article and spout "Yea, What he said!"
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Fine. Here you go.
Zell Miller is a moron because:
Well, first he is a flip-flopper, for real, not like John Kerry flip-flop.
In 1992 during the Democratic National Convention he declared that "Republicans have dealt in cynicism and skepticism" and "mastered the art of division and diversion."
Quite contrary to his views at the 2004 RNC. Also during his 1992 speech, he was much less harsh than his appearance on Wednesday. In fact, his RNC speech was probably one of the most hate-filled American political speeches of my lifetime.
He was also just making stuff up when he declared that todays Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. Which Democratic leaders?
I'm sure everyone saw him blow up in front of Chris Matthews, telling him to "get out of my face" and declaring that he wished to challenge the host of Hardball to a duel. Doesn't seem like a mentally stable person to me.
When Zell Miller remarked that John Kerry has made it clear he would use military force only if it were approved by the U.N., where in fact John Kerry has stated, "I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."
And overall, his speech was just so insanely mean. All he did was go up on the podium, scowl, and ramble on and on about how all Democrats were treasonous baby killers. And people were cheering him. Politics isn't about shouting down the other side, as Bill O' Lielly would have you believe, but it's about wielding a better candidate than the other side, and having better plans than the other side. If someone like that came to a Democratic Convention, no matter their stance on the issues, I wouldn't be cheering. There's no room for mentally unstable rednecks in politics any more.
There. Happy? I can get some more stuff if you want.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113423] |
Mon, 06 September 2004 20:38 |
msgtpain
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Fine. Here you go. Zell Miller is a moron because: Well, first he is a flip-flopper, for real, not like John Kerry flip-flop. In 1992 during the Democratic National Convention he declared that "Republicans have dealt in cynicism and skepticism" and "mastered the art of division and diversion." Quite contrary to his views at the 2004 RNC.
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He answered this statement in the opening 3 minutes of his speech. He stated very clearly that "A whole new generation of Miller's have been born since I stood in this same place over a decade ago." and then he further went on to state that "my family is more important than my party." Did he flip-flop? Maybe so. I'm not arguing that, but that doesn't make him a liar, his priorities have changed due to the change in his family and he now feels that GW Bush is the leader he feels most comfortable with protecting that family.
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Also during his 1992 speech, he was much less harsh than his appearance on Wednesday. In fact,
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Since I am most certain that you were not watching his last speech when you were 2, I can only assume that this is simply a direct quote from the source you quoted.. Have you actually watched internet footage of that speech? or read the transcripts? Like I said, your hatred with Zell Miller seems more of just a regurgitation of the propaganda that a liberal reporter spewed in their column; I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992.
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his RNC speech was probably one of the most hate-filled American political speeches of my lifetime.
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Please expound.. I'm having a hard time understanding this comment; unless you and I watched a completely different speech. Did he have a few harsh words? sure. But it was very clear that he was questioning "where the Democrats he used to know" have gone. I guess you could say he is "flip-flopping" again, as he is questioning the true colors of the party he grew up believing in and fighting for.
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He was also just making stuff up when he declared that todays Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. Which Democratic leaders?
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He did make this comment, and to be honest, I'm not sure what he was refering to, as I don't have any knowledge to the speech he is refering to, I will have to do some research on it.
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I'm sure everyone saw him blow up in front of Chris Matthews, telling him to "get out of my face" and declaring that he wished to challenge the host of Hardball to a duel. Doesn't seem like a mentally stable person to me.
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He seemed entirely stable to me. But you see, this is golden example of where our two beliefs most likely differ. I see Chris Matthews to be a pompous ass who typically uses the fact that it is "his show" to cut people off, drive them in to the ground, never give them the chance to respond, and simply cut them off when he thinks the interview isn't going his way. Zell knows this, and was prepared for it. Chris asked him a number of questions and NEVER even gave him the chance to respond. As soon as he started to speak, Chris totally cut him off and started baiting him again. After about the 5th time, Zell told him to knock it off or take a hike. If you watch the interview again, you'll notice the exact time in which Chris realizes that he has just been "told" and he was absolutely stunned. Watch the rest of the interview, and realize that after that moment, Chris Matthews acts like a kid that is in a meeting with his principle. he didn't make another baiting comment, he was respectful, and he even made a number of graceful compliments to Zell.. Chris is an asshole, he got owned, and it's as simple as that.
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When Zell Miller remarked that John Kerry has made it clear he would use military force only if it were approved by the U.N., where in fact John Kerry has stated, "I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."
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This is one of those "I'm going to make a fenceline comment that can't get me in trouble either way." John Kerry has made it absolutely factual that the president abused the power that was given to him, then out of the other side of his mouth, he states that he would never expect the president to do anything but act in the way that they feel that they need to. It's a circular argument.. Either you believe that the President has and had the authority to do what he did, or you argue that he acted irresponsibly and abused his power. All I hear is that "I want the ability to make those decisions myself also if I'm president" .. so what's his beef with Bush.
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And overall, his speech was just so insanely mean. All he did was go up on the podium, scowl, and ramble on and on about how all Democrats were treasonous baby killers. And people were cheering him.
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I never heard him say this at all.. and to me, his speech seemed honest and from the heart.. He was pissed off that his brother Democrats are acting the way they are..
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Politics isn't about shouting down the other side, as Bill O' Lielly would have you believe, but it's about wielding a better candidate than the other side, and having better plans than the other side.
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which is why he took the time out of his life to help the people at the RNC understand what his opinion was about "The other side".. He believes that the Republicans have a better candidate, and he gave 100 reasons why.
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If someone like that came to a Democratic Convention, no matter their stance on the issues, I wouldn't be cheering. There's no room for mentally unstable rednecks in politics any more.
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If someone came to a democratic convention and started spewing about how Bush and Cheny were a bunch of 'ol boys club Oil rednecks that think they can do whatever they want, and make their buddies richer, you wouldn't be standing up cheering? I find that laughable, actually.
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113433] |
Tue, 07 September 2004 00:56 |
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Just a quick question: If Miller's so pissed off with the Democrats, then what the hell is he still doing in the Democratic party?!?
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113442] |
Tue, 07 September 2004 05:02 |
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Wow. I'm sick and tired of people accusing people with different viewpoints of being "brainwashed" and watching "propoganda." Propaganda works best when the audience doesn't even question whether or not they are watching propoganda. For all you know, you are watching "propoganda" too. And trust me, if you've ever seen Fox News, you HAVE been watching it.
Brainwashed or not, people still have the right to voice their opinion. And telling them they are brainwashed shouldn't be a valid excuse. Tell them where they are wrong, and if you can back it up with factual evidence, maybe they will realize that they are being "brainwashed".
SuperFlyingEngi, I in no way mean to imply that you were brainwashed, etc. This applies for everyone on this forum.
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I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992.
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So...you are defending him, saying that he might have always been this harsh? If he has, then how is this supposed to make him look better?
Oh well, I guess it's all still a loss for the Republican party. Many undecided voters aren't attracted to the party that viciously attacks the other.
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| Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113443] |
Tue, 07 September 2004 05:30 |
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I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992.
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So...you are defending him, saying that he might have always been this harsh? If he has, then how is this supposed to make him look better?
Oh well, I guess it's all still a loss for the Republican party. Many undecided voters aren't attracted to the party that viciously attacks the other.
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No, I'm not defending him.. But if you read your entire beginning rant, then actually "read" what I wrote, you'll probably come to some brilliant revelation. I'm pretty confident in my assumption that SupahFly doesn't have a clue what was said at the 1992 convention, or in what tone. His comments regarding how he was "much less harsh" (and actually his opinions on this entire subject) are nothing more than a re-enactment of what he read in the WP article. I asked him to paraphrase the article to me and explain the "lies" etc, and I received parts of the article cut-and-pasted as a reply. So, what was that you were saying about being "Brainwashed"?
I too believe that everyone should have and voice their own opinion, but that doesn't mean that we are not allowed to debate those opinions; which I believe is exactly how I responded, to each point in question.
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Brainwashed or not, people still have the right to voice their opinion. Tell them where they are wrong, and if you can back it up with factual evidence
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I'm thinking that just maybe, you should heed your own advice? Just looking at your signature, I can see that you don't even believe what you spew..
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