| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182918 is a reply to message #182875] |
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| NeoSaber wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 13:22 |
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Character Prefix Naming
Author: Joe Strateger ( Exdeath7 )
Date Started: August 16, 2005 Last Updated: August 17, 2005
Description: What is this? This is a basic reference for people digging around in our always.dat. Basically made for easy
reference to the files of what the characters are labeled when I exported and compiled them. This contains the file
names of the w3d format of our character files and their textures in dds format. Great for people just looking to edit
textures to their own accord. Remember the W3D engine will read Texture files in either
Truevision Advanced Raster Graphics Adapter (TARGA) or Direct Draw Surface format (DDS). Enjoy!
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The .txt file pretty much screams "Pick the mod apart! I'll even tell you how!"
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Just because it "screams" for you to pick it apart doesn't mean it gives permission to redistribute it. If I put up a sign behind my door with a map describing all of the areas of my house, it doesn't give you permission to enter my house, even if I left the door unlocked.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182919 is a reply to message #182890] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 17:12 |
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| Kanezor wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 14:22 |
Crimson, I hate to tell you you're wrong, but Fobby is right -- these forums do suck ass. The quote button for the current post doesn't belong at the bottom of the current post: all other active forums that I have seen have the quote button for the current post at the top of the post. Not only that, but all other decent forums that I visit also have the person's profile info in a separate column, instead of the same column cluttering up post texts.
As for seeing the post he didn't mean to quote, that would be his fault for not pre-reading the quote.
*smacks Fobby*
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Find me a forum written by a guy who has written a book on security in PHP apps, on the PHP bug team, that is free and has bugs fixed within hours, not weeks, not months, then we can talk. Truth is I could easily move the button wherever the hell I want to. But most people have an IQ higher than 75 and just find the button instead of mindlessly clicking wherever they THINK may be the right place. The mindless clickers are incidentally the same people who install spyware and viruses on their computers. But I digress.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182920 is a reply to message #182772] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 17:17 |
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Most forums also have an option where to place the user info/avatar, it's just up to the site owner's personal preference. IPB and vB both have that option, so that arguement doesn't exactly hold that much weight.
~Canucck
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182927 is a reply to message #182772] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 18:12 |
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After playing this for a while i can say that most of the GDI stuff looks and works really good, however i saw a few things that should be fixed/changed.
- The jumpjet needs a unique model/animation when its flying, preferably with flames coming out of the backpack. It's gun also seems a little too powerful, it can kill a stank in one clip.
- The stank is weak as hell, low health, bad armor, and it cant fire sideways.
- I think the engineer and technician are backwards, the free technician has lots of C4 while the costly engineer has none.
- The ghoststalker railgun is weak, it needs to be faster and probably a little more powerful.
- Alot of the weapon icons in the weapon list and current weapon slot were just green squares, however after switching weapons a few times this seemed to fix itself.
Im really looking forward to this mod, i hope you guys can get a small public beta or something out soon.
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Dragonade, Renegade's first server side modification
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182934 is a reply to message #182772] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 18:59 |
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Hmm, the jumpjet chrashes my game when i try to use it.
| HORQWER wrote on Tue, 18 September 2007 20:47 |
this is not a real renegade forums ,some one made it up
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182937 is a reply to message #182915] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 20:20 |
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Meh. Whatever.. I'll give it a rest at trying
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182938 is a reply to message #182772] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 20:22 |
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Clue? Aircraftkiller should have been banned ages ago, when he first started flaming and messing up posts.
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I've been doing that in these forums since 7 Febuary, 2001. I've only been banned once, by Cliff "Devinoch" Hicks, and that was simply for attacking someone he liked. I probably have the original e-mail somewhere around my computer.
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Instead you decided to make him moderator in your IRC channel Really!!
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News flash, newbie, I helped Crimson set up #n00bstories and have been in the channel since the day it was created. The only way she's going to ban me is if I really piss her off, and I'm sure that would entail attacking her in some form. I have nothing but deep respect for Crimson (Even if she doesn't support me at times, since I don't want asskissing friends) and I seriously doubt I'd ever do something that serious to her.
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I have read only shit coming from him
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I've only read shit coming from you, too! BAN!!@ 
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182944 is a reply to message #182941] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 21:12 |
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| Hydra wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 21:35 |
You can't be serious, can you?
You're making a modification of a game that's already been copyrighted. You're using key files from a copyrighted product in your program; you can't copyright those since they didn't belong to you in the first place.
That'd be like someone trying to copyright his own fan-made Star Wars story and claim the original Star Wars storyline as his.
Unless you create your own completely separate game on a completely original engine, your "copyright" means dick.
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No actually they are entitled to a copyright. The specific lines of code that they added completely on their own and are coded by them are their work. They are automatically considered copyrighted to them. That doesn't mean everything pertaining to the modification/game base is their property. That means both groups hold copyrights for their work.
If your design an aftermarket part for a dodge engine its not like that part can't be patented just because it's used on a dodge engine... If that were the case so many people would get sued in this world.
Their copyright stands for their work. EA games copyright stands for Westwood's work.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182948 is a reply to message #182772] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 21:39 |
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No, wasn't about you in that. the part of the approving would fit more into play if you're going to say a miniscule thing like reading "people" differently (when you know what it well meant) It really sounds like you're trying to justify it when you know the intentions
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182950 is a reply to message #182772] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 21:54 |
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I in no way believe that the .txt file was intended to apply just to members of the Reborn team. I just mentioned it could as a slim possibility.
Everything from the way "people" is used to the explanation of the texture file types Renegade can read indicates it's meant for the general population. There'd be no reason for Exdeath to write a "memo" reminding the Reborn team that Renegade only uses textures in a .tga or .dds format. They'd have to be incompetent beyond all human understanding for that to be the case, and my opinion of them is higher than that...
NeoSaber
Renegade Map Maker at CnC Source
Animator/Compiler/Level Editor/Object Rigger/Programmer for Red Alert: A Path Beyond
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182951 is a reply to message #182944] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 21:57 |
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| genetix wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 23:12 |
No actually they are entitled to a copyright. The specific lines of code that they added completely on their own and are coded by them are their work. They are automatically considered copyrighted to them. That doesn't mean everything pertaining to the modification/game base is their property. That means both groups hold copyrights for their work.
If your design an aftermarket part for a dodge engine its not like that part can't be patented just because it's used on a dodge engine... If that were the case so many people would get sued in this world.
Their copyright stands for their work. EA games copyright stands for Westwood's work.
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You're still building that part with your own original concept and design. The purpose for which you created it is completely yours; you are not building off a concept owned and previously created by Dodge. The part and its design, purpose, concept, and intellectual property are originally yours. Therefore, you can patent it.
EA's copyright goes for everything C&C related--the units, the concept, the storyline, the name, everything. If you create a C&C-related modification for any game, you're using EA's copyrighted concept and storyline as a basis for your modification.
Remember StarCraft 2: Xel'Naga Vengeance? Blizzard shut them down for copyright infringements. Why? Because they were creating their own mod based on Blizzard's intellectual property on a competing game's engine.
The Reborn team is using EA's intellectual property to create their own mod based completely on a game copyrighted by EA. As you said the only things they could copyright having to do with the mod are the individual lines of code used in every single script in the game; in order for that to be legally binding, they would have to list all the lines they would want to copyright and ensure that the same lines are not used or copyrighted elsewhere. They cannot simply say "I want to copyright the entire mod called Reborn" because so much of it is based on the intellectual property of EA.
They could, of course, get around all that by completely dissociating everything with C&C, aside from the engine upon which it is based. Then they might be able to copyright it (even then, it'd still be dicey with it utilizing a C&C engine), but then it wouldn't be the Renegade->Tiberian Sun mod that "eevrywon wnats 2 plai!!!"
Either way, Retardin's little "copyright" still means dick.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182953 is a reply to message #182908] |
Tue, 20 December 2005 23:30 |
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| NeoSaber wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 18:03 |
| Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 17:47 |
Do we allow people to use those files? NO.
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Actually, yes, you did allow people when the file "character definitions.txt" was included in the alpha saying that anyone who found it was free to use what was inside.
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Actually no it does not.
"This is a basic reference".
It states that. That is what it is and nothing more.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182954 is a reply to message #182772] |
Wed, 21 December 2005 00:36 |
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It was internal and should have staid that way. Now you guys just make sure that they won't give out any more internal testing in their forums and that what will come out, will be less tested. Way to go...
Also ACK, you of all people should know how much work gets in a total modification. You could respect that work and get on with your life in stead of releasing unfinished alpha tests to try and get Reborn's rep down.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #182972 is a reply to message #182969] |
Wed, 21 December 2005 08:32 |
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| Aidoneus wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 09:33 |
The funny thing is that Aircraftkiller only has the Alpha because one of your staff members leaked it to him.
Says alot about the integrity of your team, eh Renardin?
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How sure are you that the people u trust won't put a figurative knife in your back? For people on the I'net is even way worse.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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