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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #95841] |
Thu, 17 June 2004 16:55   |
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Crimson
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And warranto, why would you listen to what the press said were the reasons? They want Bush to fail. Anything that's bad news for the US is great news for the Democrats.
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Actually that's not true.
The PEW Charitable Trust Foundation released non-partisan research which stated clearly that the media "favors" Bush, with almost 75% of his network television coverage being favorable towards the administration.
The myth that the Media, comprised of the world's largest corporations, is somehow LIBERAL is sort of comical. Liberals do not control the wealth and power in this country, but will always influence it's cultural reform as that is done by the youth in this country which is almost always Liberal.
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The most compelling evidence to the contrary lies in this poll they did:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=29
Mind you, this is in reference to the Bush/Gore campaign, but it clearly shows that people perceive the media as "pulling for Gore".
This recent poll:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=214
Seems to be the one you were referencing. It shows that many people feel that the media is "too easy" on Bush. That's not the same as the media favoring him. Of course if you're referring to a different survey, please use the links I provided here to find the poll yourself, because I'm sure you read the interpretation on some liberal website instead of finding the actual poll results and methodology.
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #95949] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 08:11 |
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I beleive GW is a good man. I believe he thinks what he is doing is right. I support him because he has strength of resolve, and more charachter than anyone since Ronnie. I believe that in the end he will have proven himself vindicated, but I don't have to agree with everything he does.
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I've tried to steer away from targetting Bush exclusively in terms of the War in Iraq. For reasons very similar to this. I agree with you in saying that he has the best of intentions in mind. But remember that quote, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". He's a strong leader who has the ability to obviously empower nationalism, but I don't agree with his resolve. That doesn't make him a bad leader per se, but it does leave a lot of room for debate.
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http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5458352
He has, irregardless of methods, been proven correct in North Korea, and Iran. Both have active nuke programs, and could care less about UN mandates. I take it on credit that GW is right about Iraq too. Someday we will find that he was. It's already starting to bear out as true somewhat, as stated by one of our detractors.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia.warning/index.html
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #95962] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 09:22 |
KIRBY098
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I see his point, I was just voicing why I support GW.
If I had been president, I wouldn't have issued the war order. Special ops could have solved all my problems for me.
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #95981] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 10:43 |
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Because we haven't tried to resolve the issues of France with diplomacy yet. Saddam had 12 years.
I do not agree with the humanitarian reasons. That was a side benefit, but not the main goal. The Middle East fosters terrorism and those born there are taught to hate Americans. Iraq is a key player in the Middle East theater and therefore is a starting point for rebuilding them into the type of people who exist in the 21st century -- people who solve problems with words, deals, and diplomacy, not death and destruction.
Liberating the Iraqis was something we knew we'd obviously accomplish but it wasn't the main focus.
Overall, I'd say that since we haven't had an attack on US mainland soil that Bush is doing the right thing and he's doing a good job.
I'm the bawss.
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #97238] |
Fri, 25 June 2004 16:35 |
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"Putin said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime was actually behind any terrorist acts." Doesn't that negate the validity of any information given to the U.S.?
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #97364] |
Sat, 26 June 2004 11:51 |
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"Putin said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime was actually behind any terrorist acts." Doesn't that negate the validity of any information given to the U.S.?
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Read the story again. Bush never said Iraq was responsible for the 9-11 attacks. What the story said is the Russia warned the US AFTER 9-11 that Iraq was planning something.
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Putin said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime was actually behind any terrorist acts.
"After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said.
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See when you read the entire story you would understand. Don't go fishing for bits and pieces to spin.
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With only those two paragraphs above, Putin would contradict himself. If there even were links between Saddam and Al-Queda (as mentioned in the rest of the article), that would not mean Saddam was in any way behind the 9/11 attacks. It's all speculation at this point.
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #97658] |
Sun, 27 June 2004 19:43 |
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No one has said there was a link between Saddam and 9/11. This war isn't about 9/11. It's about preventing it from happening again. The only possible link between Saddam and 9/11 is that it's been reported that Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi government official in Czechoslovakia. This isn't confirmed and is not being used to formulate a tie. However there are plenty of documented incidents of Osama/Al Qaeda and Iraq having ties.
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #99198] |
Sat, 03 July 2004 09:38 |
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well, about Mr. Moore
In europe, a lot of people like his work.
He won the european oscar festival @ Cannes in France.
This man is not stupid, far from it.
Just compare Europe and USA.
USA : Almost every one has a gun at home.
Europe : No guns at home !!!
And about the news it's the same :
USA : The news make all american scared.
Europe : The news are about something else than danger and death... We don't have a 'COPS TV show' because we don't have enough pursuit in a year to make a single 30 min tv show with it...
I don't tell he is right about all, but on some points, come on ! face the truth !
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #99231] |
Sat, 03 July 2004 12:54 |
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Just compare Europe and USA.
USA : Almost every one has a gun at home.
Europe : No guns at home !!!
USA : The news make all american scared.
Europe : The news are about something else than danger and death... We don't have a 'COPS TV show' because we don't have enough pursuit in a year to make a single 30 min tv show with it...
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Now you are being a stereotypical bastard.
Almost everyone has a gun? That would mean that 80% or higher of a population of 255 million people has a gun in their home. Please, show me where you got this information, and I will cede to your point.
If you are going to ramble bullshit like that, at least make it SOMEWHAT believable.
Also, the news does not scare us. We don't board up our doors and windows when we hear someone was killed 50 miles away. And don't go saying that Europe doesn't have problems with crime. In most pursuit shows, about a quarter of the show displays high-speed chases and arrests in Britain, France, Germany, and Spain.
Don't go around waving your flag. Although the US may have more problems than Europe does, you face the same problems we do.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle
8-Bit Theatre. The power of evil compels you!
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #99645] |
Mon, 05 July 2004 12:12 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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hydra - have you actually seen Fahrenheit 9/11?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #99653] |
Mon, 05 July 2004 12:44 |
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[quote="Umbral_DelaFlare"]| Renardin6 |
Almost everyone has a gun? That would mean that 80% or higher of a population of 255 million people has a gun in their home. Please, show me where you got this information, and I will cede to your point.
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Well, here's the interesting part, aside from myself, I know very few people who don't own a gun and keep it in their home. There is even a gun in my parents house, it's unloaded and not well maintained, but if anything I'd say 80% is a little low.
The 2nd amendment guarantee's Americans the right to own and bear arms as the final line of defense against the Government should they leave control of the people and to defend against foreign invaders should the need arise. Thank heaven that the latter has never occured and the former hasn't happened in over 150 years.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| Michael Moore Has Competition. [message #99708] |
Mon, 05 July 2004 15:03 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Yeah, the 2nd amendment has two parts, the second of which the NRA doesn't want you to know about. I believe this is correct, except for a few misplaced words:
The Second Amendment:
1) The right to bear arms
2) to be used in a well-formed militia
The second amendment isn't there to make sure hillbillies can sit in their neck of the woods and unload on wild animals with automatic rifles. It's there to make sure citizens can always have a form of protecting themselves without the help of the government.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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