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How equal are we? [message #104190] Mon, 26 July 2004 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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Well above Nuclear Secrets? Bullshit. Nothing is classified well above nuclear secrets, you moron. If you thought, you would seem a lot smarter. See why this case is retarded? Well, we know it was well above nuclear secrets, but we don't know what it is.

Whereas at Abu Gharib, we have been torturing people, which is never justified. America does not torture people. Ever.


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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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How equal are we? [message #104199] Mon, 26 July 2004 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They don't?

And here I thought that was the point of reality TV, Jerry Springer, etc. being developed. I know it tortures me. Wink Razz
How equal are we? [message #104238] Mon, 26 July 2004 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well above Nuclear Secrets? Bullshit. Nothing is classified well above nuclear secrets, you moron.

What inner-intelligence circles do you run with to know that statement to be false?


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How equal are we? [message #104259] Mon, 26 July 2004 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just like the libs to turn it around to the abuse stuff. Why don't you address the issue at hand instead of trying to change the subject? It's not like the entire Republican party and everyone who believes in the right went and did that stuff FFS.

Of course we don't know what the documents were... if they were CLASSIFIED, Berger's theft of said documents doesn't make them unclassified, and it's not like we can just go ahead and tell the public what's in them now. You'd think that would be obvious common sense.


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How equal are we? [message #104269] Mon, 26 July 2004 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not like the entire Republican party and everyone who believes in the right went and did that stuff FFS.

And it's not like the entire Democratic party stole documents from an archive...

It's so funny to listen to people argue about politics. Regardless of their intelligence, people always start to sound stupid when they argue for or against a political party. I think there's just too much utter crap floating around in the media, so anyone who tries to follow politics invariably becomes more and more stupid.
How equal are we? [message #104274] Mon, 26 July 2004 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But if the Democratic Presidential candidate employed Sandy Berger even after he was caught back in October stealing those documents, then I wouldn't want to trust Kerry in office, now would I?

I am a Replubican (not straight because some of my beliefs clash with typical Republican ideals) because of their goals and beliefs, not because of the people themselves.


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How equal are we? [message #104295] Mon, 26 July 2004 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well above Nuclear Secrets? Bullshit. Nothing is classified well above nuclear secrets, you moron.

What inner-intelligence circles do you run with to know that statement to be false?


Nothing is classified well above nuclear secrets. People trying to pretend that they are is just retarded. Nothing is classified much higher than nuclear secrets. What possibly could be? NOTHING.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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How equal are we? [message #104303] Mon, 26 July 2004 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You just don't get it, do you. You don't work for any intelligence agency, so how can you claim to know ANYTHING about ANY specific classified document??? There may well be a document out there that's more secret than a nuclear launch code, but you wouldn't know it. You know why? Because it's CLASSIFIED!!!!!!!!!

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How equal are we? [message #104304] Mon, 26 July 2004 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You don't have to work for an intelligence committee to think. And, if you wanted to make something seem as important as possible, what would you relate it with? Nuclear secrets! Also, what source came out and said they were classified significantly higher than nuclear secrets?

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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How equal are we? [message #104325] Mon, 26 July 2004 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You just don't get it, do you. You don't work for any intelligence agency, so how can you claim to know ANYTHING about ANY specific classified document??? There may well be a document out there that's more secret than a nuclear launch code, but you wouldn't know it. You know why? Because it's CLASSIFIED!!!!!!!!!

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How equal are we? [message #104328] Mon, 26 July 2004 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So you think Area 51, which obviously exists and has been photographed, is not more of a secret than our nuclear weapons capabilities or our development secrets?

The entire government refuses to acknowledge Area 51's existence, but they're more than happy to tell you how many nuclear warheads we have and what general area they're located in.

There's your common sense. There's plenty of things classified higher than nuclear secrets are.
How equal are we? [message #104329] Mon, 26 July 2004 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is true and more. Women in the military have lower requirements for physical training. They have to do fewer pushups, situps, pullups and run 2 miles in a longer time frame. Their pushups, situps and pullups are also modified to make it even easier.



Not only that, but have you seen many Navy women lately? Getting to 33% bodyfat (the limit for women) is like a goal of theirs.

As for Mr Burgler.. I don't have an answer, and I don't think you'll ever get one.. I mean, the focus really shouldn't be on him, it should be on why this information was leaked out by the massively conservative media in an attempt to change the focus of drilling for humus in Iraq.. He didn't do anything that Bush wouldn't do, therefore you should switch your attention back to Bush's service gap.. thanks
How equal are we? [message #104354] Tue, 27 July 2004 05:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You don't have to work for an intelligence committee to think. And, if you wanted to make something seem as important as possible, what would you relate it with? Nuclear secrets! Also, what source came out and said they were classified significantly higher than nuclear secrets?


Actually, nuclear "secrets" aren't that highly classified anymore. Pretty much anyone can find out how to build a nuclear device, and R&D stuff just isn't THAT highly classified anymore.

Back in the cold war, sure, ok, but today? Fuck, we have an entire "Nuclear Engineering" degree at MIT. And while that may not encompass the entirety
of the US's nuclear program, I can safely say that there sure as fuck isn't a class on "the names of every CIA field agent currently deployed".

Mahkra- here's a scary thought: Snowflake playing with H-bombs (though less scary than the thoguht of him playing with miranda ...).


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How equal are we? [message #104384] Tue, 27 July 2004 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SuperFlyingEngi

You don't have to work for an intelligence committee to think. And, if you wanted to make something seem as important as possible, what would you relate it with? Nuclear secrets! Also, what source came out and said they were classified significantly higher than nuclear secrets?


Actually, nuclear "secrets" aren't that highly classified anymore. Pretty much anyone can find out how to build a nuclear device, and R&D stuff just isn't THAT highly classified anymore.

Unless by "nuclear secrets" they mean launch codes and such...

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How equal are we? [message #104439] Tue, 27 July 2004 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You just don't get it, do you. You don't work for any intelligence agency, so how can you claim to know ANYTHING about ANY specific classified document??? There may well be a document out there that's more secret than a nuclear launch code, but you wouldn't know it. You know why? Because it's CLASSIFIED!!!!!!!!!

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How equal are we? [message #104448] Tue, 27 July 2004 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wait, we've made it to page 3 and still no one has mentioned Hitler?

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How equal are we? [message #104452] Tue, 27 July 2004 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So you think Area 51, which obviously exists and has been photographed, is not more of a secret than our nuclear weapons capabilities or our development secrets?

The entire government refuses to acknowledge Area 51's existence, but they're more than happy to tell you how many nuclear warheads we have and what general area they're located in.

There's your common sense. There's plenty of things classified higher than nuclear secrets are.


First, you could have used the NSA and/or Skunkworks as better examples of fairly highly classified government ....things, in my opinion.

How many nuclear warheads we have isn't the same thing as how to make them or the launch codes we use to activate them.

I'm going to use Crimson's and hydra's argument against you here: How can you know that things can be classified higher than nuclear secrets if you DON'T WORK FOR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES OMGOMG!!!!

setstyle

Wait, we've made it to page 3 and still no one has mentioned Hitler?


Hitler didn't have nukes. Wink

ViperFUD

I can safely say that there sure as fuck isn't a class on "the names of every CIA field agent currently deployed".



I can safely say that there sure as hell isn't a class on "The launch codes to every nuclear warhead currently deployed"


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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How equal are we? [message #104455] Tue, 27 July 2004 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm going to use Crimson's and hydra's argument against you here: How can you know that things can be classified higher than nuclear secrets if you DON'T WORK FOR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES OMGOMG!!!!

Conversely, how can you know that there aren't things more secret than nuclear secrets unless you have access to the documents themselves?

If you DID know what was more secret than nuclear secrets, I'd be very afraid.


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How equal are we? [message #104468] Tue, 27 July 2004 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How equal are we? [message #104535] Wed, 28 July 2004 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quite frankly, both of your arguments are moot because NEITHER of you know exactly how classified those reports were. You were informed they were classified, and the media has construed it on varying degrees of classification.


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How equal are we? [message #104554] Wed, 28 July 2004 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not an intelligence agent, but I've seen one on TV. I would definately say that there are things classified higher than nuclear launch codes. Simply because, has our R&D stopped since the cold war? Hell no... So if Nuclear Secrets were the top in the 60's... Theres been 40 years to invent just one thing ping pong didly more top secret than a nuke. Think about it.

Also how someone mentioned earlier that the Liberals are willing to compromise national security for the sake of using it as a political tool. I agree... I'm afraid for the day when a jet that says "Kerry Edwards 2004" crashes into the Sears Tower, followed by a press conference from Kerry saying "This is why we need a democrat in the white house!" Proving that he can have his jet flown into another building and not be stopped. Then use that as a tool to say Bush doesn't have security down pat. I bet he'd appear at the funerals of those in the Sears Tower too and say... "Yay Verily... These people... were almost as brave as I was in Vietnam. Yay Verily... WE NEED A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!" and the Grieving familys will be like... Crying and stuff and he'll be like. Vote Kerry. Or SOMETHING.

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How equal are we? [message #105026] Fri, 30 July 2004 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with your 1st paragraph...

I think the way you are trying to make fun of Kerry needs some work.
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I was up pretty late. I don't remember much of it lol

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