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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481075 is a reply to message #480854] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 15:20   |
iRANian
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Chad1233 was telling me how ridiculous the MPF ban was and wanted to help me video myself playing someone decent like himself on a DM server. So we joined a shitty, laggy DM server that doesn't even run 4.0.
Though he didn't want to play like the average MPF player (walking in straight lines, no jumping or crouching while evading) so I only got a ~9.0 kd against him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKq7wEyb8Zg&feature=youtu.be
I'm looking forward to playing on a non-laggy 4.0 server and doing a sniping montage. I was playing on the Sla Company Mutant Coop server a few days ago and my aiming was top notch, though that was against bots. I'll probably upload that too but I'm interested in doing a sniping montage taken from jelly. It's a bit annoying sniping on Jelly because hits have the tendency not to register with sniper and pistol there.
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481077 is a reply to message #480854] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 15:51 |
iRANian
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Now imagine that with the game I got banned on at the score screen; 4.0, almost no lag, about 32 players ingame, I'm whoring 4 shot Ramjets/Volt Rifles/LCGs, camp one spot and 93% of the players I'm up against are substantially worse than chad1233 (the player 'glors' was the other 7% or so).
Then it's not amazing I get double the amount of kills the next best person did, kinda like I regularly do on Jelly when I use a sniper, playing substantially 'better' players (mostly because they sit behind a wall and refill whenever they take about 50 hp damage..)
Yes, it must have been unbelievable I get twice the amount of kills the second best had.
TOO EXTREMELY GUDZZZ
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481079 is a reply to message #480854] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 16:42 |
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liquidv2
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looks like my theory shown in your signature holds up a bit
watch from 4:30 to 4:39 - you absolutely molest that guy, and he manages to body shot you one single time in the entire exchange, bullets flying all around you
either he's seriously terrible at Renegade, or something is out of place lol
start at 5:30 - he manages 3 body shots on you at close range before you kill him - looks like he's improving!!!!
again at 7:30 - dude spawns and gets turned into hamburger meat
at the very end before he dies, he manages to land 4 body shots
why are you so hard to hit? and why does the guy look like he's hardly trying to dodge lol
he charges you after that with a LCG, but your aim looks seriously awkward to me
you're just doing broad sweeps back and forth, not even trying to keep a steady aim on his face, and it magically works every single time (even more so early on)
at 9:40 it's kind of awkward too - you fire once and he's basically dead on the ground and then gone all in the same second
got to about 13 minutes (see you get irritated with him playing peekaboo for a while lol), and the video decided to stop buffering - i'll watch the rest later when YouTube quits being a bitch
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481083 is a reply to message #480854] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 17:30 |
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if you read Iran's signature, you'll see i don't believe the fellow cheats
if he does have something outside going on, it's more likely to be something he figured out how to do while tinkering with Renegade code
like, say, modifying his connection in a way that allows him to do better in Renegade, one of the few games where damage is client side and not server side (the reason spectate and ghost kills were possible pre-4.0)
it looks like the dude is barely trying to dodge in Iran's fraps (that's how i looked in HaTe's fraps from our sniper 1v1)
i can assure you, i was moving and dodging extremely hard, but you'd never have known by looking at his video
on my end, however, HaTe was moving from one side of the Volcano to the other in a single step, warping and teleporting so hard i'd barely get a bodyshot off before he managed to kill me each time
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481085 is a reply to message #481083] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 22:50 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 02:30 |
if you read Iran's signature, you'll see i don't believe the fellow cheats
if he does have something outside going on, it's more likely to be something he figured out how to do while tinkering with Renegade code
like, say, modifying his connection in a way that allows him to do better in Renegade, one of the few games where damage is client side and not server side (the reason spectate and ghost kills were possible pre-4.0)
it looks like the dude is barely trying to dodge in Iran's fraps (that's how i looked in HaTe's fraps from our sniper 1v1)
i can assure you, i was moving and dodging extremely hard, but you'd never have known by looking at his video
on my end, however, HaTe was moving from one side of the Volcano to the other in a single step, warping and teleporting so hard i'd barely get a bodyshot off before he managed to kill me each time
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481087 is a reply to message #481079] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 00:24 |
iRANian
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"looks like my theory shown in your signature holds up a bit"
Which "theory"?
"watch from 4:30 to 4:39 - you absolutely molest that guy, and he manages to body shot you one single time in the entire exchange, bullets flying all around you"
He has 160 ping, of course this happens, I still get it too like that or trying to pistol someone with less than 10 hp at close range, it's not unusual for all my 12 bullets not to register.
"start at 5:30 - he manages 3 body shots on you at close range before you kill him - looks like he's improving!!!!"
at 06:50 he rapes me within 2 secs, he's just having a hard time shooting me because of the lag, you can see how I have a hard time shooting him as well and I have 50 ping and he has 160 ping. You've never played at over 100 ping so you wouldnt know
"again at 7:30 - dude spawns and gets turned into hamburger meat
at the very end before he dies, he manages to land 4 body shots
why are you so hard to hit?"
I'm not hard to hit at all, see at 06:50 for example. it's his lag lol
"and why does the guy look like he's hardly trying to dodge lol"
uhm this guy is trying pretty hard to dodge, he even jumps unlike about 90% of players on MPF and jelly, you can see how a hard time I have hitting him when he's jumping with the lag
"he charges you after that with a LCG, but your aim looks seriously awkward to me
you're just doing broad sweeps back and forth, not even trying to keep a steady aim on his face, and it magically works every single time (even more so early on)"
It's a good thing you mention that, I'm compensating for his lagginess and leading my shots. watch 19:20 and you see how it helps me get some good hs on him and 21:25 is also a good example
"at 9:40 it's kind of awkward too - you fire once and he's basically dead on the ground and then gone all in the same second"
Yes I headshot him (about 50 hp damage or so?) and then body shoot him once.
got to about 13 minutes (see you get irritated with him playing peekaboo for a while lol), and the video decided to stop buffering - i'll watch the rest later when YouTube quits being a bitch
i never have that issue with youtube, maybe get better internet?
So yeah what you're seeing here is a guy trying pretty well to dodge (compared to the average jelly or MPF player) just getting destroyed by me on this laggy server. because of his 170~ ping he has a hard time shooting me, but I'm also having a hard time shooting him.
I'll see if i can get a snipe video of me at the front of GDI base on islands with me just killing players left and right like I did on MPF a few days before I got banned, where Hunter-Seeker was invisihugging me from wf door cause he couldnt keep up
So get the popcorn ready
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481088 is a reply to message #481075] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 04:27 |
shaitan
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| iRANian wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 18:20 |
So we joined a shitty, laggy DM server that doesn't even run 4.0.
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The "shitty, laggy DM server" you joined is in your country(MissionDM).  You're using 4.0 on a 3.4 server, unless they fixed that, you're going to lag somewhat. Yet, your ping is really good in the video.
The other thing that is funny, you plain suck in that video. If you played exactly like that all of the time, the regulars of that server would beat your ass easy. How is it you miss so much, yet when you snipe/shoot any other time, you rape?
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481089 is a reply to message #481088] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 04:38 |
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| shaitan wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 13:27 |
| iRANian wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 18:20 |
So we joined a shitty, laggy DM server that doesn't even run 4.0.
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The "shitty, laggy DM server" you joined is in your country(MissionDM). You're using 4.0 on a 3.4 server, unless they fixed that, you're going to lag somewhat. Yet, your ping is really good in the video.
The other thing that is funny, you plain suck in that video. If you played exactly like that all of the time, the regulars of that server would beat your ass easy. How is it you miss so much, yet when you snipe/shoot any other time, you rape?
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thx god i dont have to read every post in this topic 
the reason why he *rapes* is cuz hes using his *stuff*
i hardly understand y he and the others keep posting, he wont get unbanned tho... 
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481090 is a reply to message #481089] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 05:10 |
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| iRANian wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 02:24 |
You've never played at over 100 ping so you wouldnt know
Yes I headshot him (about 50 hp damage or so?) and then body shoot him once.
i never have that issue with youtube, maybe get better internet?
So yeah what you're seeing here is a guy trying pretty well to dodge (compared to the average jelly or MPF player) just getting destroyed by me on this laggy server. because of his 170~ ping he has a hard time shooting me, but I'm also having a hard time shooting him.
I'll see if i can get a snipe video of me at the front of GDI base on islands with me just killing players left and right like I did on MPF a few days before I got banned, where Hunter-Seeker was invisihugging me from wf door cause he couldnt keep up
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i have played with >100 ping, but not often
i played this Chad guy last night and the results were similar (until Rambo6 joined on his team and camped in a turret the whole time)
the thing that was odd about the headshot-bodyshot-dead thing was him dying, falling dead, and his body completely disappearing all in the exact same second
i checked my dl speed when the video started bugging out, and i was pulling close to 30 mbps download speed - YouTube might not be capped or something in your country, but it doesn't cooperate very well in America
not surprising that Hunter-Seeker would try to glitch snipe you; he's a known cheater lol
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 06:38 |
i hardly understand y he and the others keep posting, he wont get unbanned tho...
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481093 is a reply to message #480854] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 06:04 |
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He should have been mowing that Chad guy down in MissionDM, if he played the same. The armor on that server is different(weaker) than other servers.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38 |
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481096 is a reply to message #481087] |
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| iRANian wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 09:24 |
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"watch from 4:30 to 4:39 - you absolutely molest that guy, and he manages to body shot you one single time in the entire exchange, bullets flying all around you"
He has 160 ping, of course this happens, I still get it too like that or trying to pistol someone with less than 10 hp at close range, it's not unusual for all my 12 bullets not to register.
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False.
Hit detection is done client side, even with TT and is as such not related to lag. Only thing lag influences is how you appear to walk for the other. With lag you might look like you're walking in a straight line, while you're actually trying to dodge like fuck.
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| Re: MPF banning players for being extremely good at a 11 year old game [message #481098 is a reply to message #481094] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 08:37 |
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| ehhh wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 07:28 |
fraps in a full server would make him a lag a lot tbh
which is the reason why i dont record
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Yeah, i was able to record this 27.0 kd game in jelly right now with 28 players and it was starting to lag.
First game of renegade I played today, after some early game basic infantry fighting (where my 1 deaht comes from) i immediately went to sak and started killing stuff. I'm experiencing warpiness, the server's SFPS drops/lag issue and at one point (where I miss 5 shots) stuttering because I'm frapsing. As you can see from the video I my mouse is laggy as result of frapsing too.
The fucking warping and lag is annoying and the reason I missed half the shots I missed. This lag for the most part isn't an issue on MPF's server.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN87OhdI9Ao&list=HL1369409302&feature=mh_ lolz
May 24 16:39:20 <JellyMarathon> Host: 2good@ren has been recommended by BRenBot for: Most Kills on C&C_Complex with 27 frags
May 24 16:39:20 <JellyMarathon> Host: 2good@ren has been recommended by BRenBot for: Best K/D Ratio on C&C_Complex with 27.0
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