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I have a prescription to Gmr, Game Informer, Gamepro, and O.P.M (official playstation magazine).
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hmm. maybe you can get a prescription for some STFU cream.
I think what is understood by everyone and agreed on by everyone is that downloading games is stealing them. No one is arguing this point. However, some people say they will continue to do it. Why? Cause they don't give a fuck about anyone else.
They'd rape pillage, steal, and kill if they could get away with it. Welcome to America; a land where people's morals are dictated by "what can I get away with?"
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| Doom 3! [message #107386] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 11:44 |
AlostSOul
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Downloading may be a crime but the U.S is doing nothing to prevent it. Yes, they made it illegal to download, but, the websites or icons are still poping up on computers. Kazaa and Imod seem to be the most popular illedged website/icons around. What people don't understand is that downloading free music or software is robbing the computer industry and illegality isn't preventing people from downloading this software! So the police should tracking the people who are downloading this crap and arresting them.
the only thing I can say is this: ROFL!!!!
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| Doom 3! [message #107405] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 12:13 |
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Downloading may be a crime but the U.S is doing nothing to prevent it. Yes, they made it illegal to download, but, the websites or icons are still poping up on computers. Kazaa and Imod seem to be the most popular illedged website/icons around. What people don't understand is that downloading free music or software is robbing the computer industry and illegality isn't preventing people from downloading this software! So the police should tracking the people who are downloading this crap and arresting them.
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Aren't they? I've heard they've been arresting people because they're tracking them. That's why I burn my shit on CD's and keep 'em on a nice hidden place and reformat once every two weeks.
EDIT: If you think murder or rape can be compared to downloading a game off the internet, you're a fucking idiot.
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| Doom 3! [message #107422] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 13:06 |
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YSLMuffins
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Consumers can get their money back by returning the game to the shop too.
Comments on '(A)': That's funny, because Renegade turned out to be crappy but most of us are still enjoying the damn thing and most of us have been playing for over two years now.
I have nothing to say on '(B)', but I have something to say on your conclusion.
That's why demos were invented my friend! Yes, most of them will not show most aspects of the game, personally the Renegade demo was fine, I even thought that some of the bugs were funny, and that's why I own two copies of Renegade today.
And if demos aren't enough, then rent the damn game!
Even if something is crappy I'm always going to enjoy it, why? Because I bought it. All the matters is: I got my preview, I've played the demo and it's my own problem if I got ripped off or not. Why? Because I had a chance to experience the game before.
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What place accepts opened software? Most of them no longer accept returns, because people can just copy the games and return it. Same goes for renting a game--pfft, who does that? The wrongful ways a right idea can be used is why we must all suffer.
Neither A and B are possible; they're just two opposite extremes of the same spectrum. My point was that both desires are rooted in legitimate concerns: consumers not wanting to be swindled out of their money, and the gaming industry and all of their workers getting the money they deserve. Furthermore, even though both desires are rooted in rightful intentions, they can get abused--hence, the examples of (A) and (B). It's just a domino effect that mutilates a good thing, and why we all suffer, if you think about it. And a sad thing, too, that shifts the balance here is that there are a lot more people that pirate than game designers who make crappy games, most likely.
There's only one way both sides win--consumer buys a company's game, and likes it. If consumer buys the game and doesn't like it, consumer loses and producer wins (they got their money anyway). If consumer tries the game (pirates) before buying it, and doesn't like it, consumer missed out on wasted money and producer loses.
I don't need to explain that further. It's just unfortunate that there are few options out there, leaving piracy the most common option. Yes, it's stealing, but to criticize it as simply wrong and shouldn't be done PERIOD means that the consumer would ultimately suffer. You've got a fifty-fifty chance of liking or not liking a game when you buy it, and if you continually buy games that you don't like, you'll soon stop. And if that happened, it would be the same consequence to the gaming industry as piracy. What's the incentive of making a better game when you'll still get money no matter what you produce?
If there were more official demos out there, there'd be less piracy, a game would get more exposure to more people (especially if they're anti-piracy), and if they like it, more people could go out and buy the game. Everyone wins, but call me an optimist. 
And I'm not sure about reviews, because my opinion of the game rarely coincides with the reviewer (look at Renegade). But this just opens up another can of worms...:-\
-YSLMuffins
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| Doom 3! [message #107469] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 16:03 |
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EDIT: If you think murder or rape can be compared to downloading a game off the internet, you're a fucking idiot.
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A crime's a crime. Whether it's speeding, stealing, or murder, it's all illegal. There may be different levels of punishment for each of those crimes, but yet they're still what? What are they? Oh yeah, crimes. No matter how you look at it, IT'S A CRIME. Whether or not it's a lesser of the evils, it's still what? ILLEGAL! You can't justify stealing a game because raping some poor innocent child/woman is worse. You're not forced to choose a lesser of the evils, so therefore you can't justify the crime.
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| Doom 3! [message #107521] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 19:02 |
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| xC4pRoX |
saying person A is gonna rape someone later in life, just because person A downloaded a computer game is just moronic.
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And so was that post. Where the fuck did anyone say that because you downloaded a game you're going to rape somebody later in your life? I said that a crime is a crime. No matter how you look at it, they're all illegal.
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| Doom 3! [message #107524] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 19:07 |
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I think what is understood by everyone and agreed on by everyone is that downloading games is stealing them. No one is arguing this point. However, some people say they will continue to do it. Why? Cause they don't give a fuck about anyone else.
They'd rape pillage, steal, and kill if they could get away with it. Welcome to America; a land where people's morals are dictated by "what can I get away with?"
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It wasn't you that said it. This post I quoted by viperFUD is why I said rape or murder can't be compared to downloading a game.
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| Doom 3! [message #107526] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 19:08 |
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I think what is understood by everyone and agreed on by everyone is that downloading games is stealing them. No one is arguing this point. However, some people say they will continue to do it. Why? Cause they don't give a fuck about anyone else.
They'd rape pillage, steal, and kill if they could get away with it. Welcome to America; a land where people's morals are dictated by "what can I get away with?"
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Still only said that people would do whatever they wanted if they could get away with it.
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| Doom 3! [message #107530] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 19:20 |
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Still, how did he come up with rape and murder out of "downloading doom 3 cause I don't feel like buying it"?
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I believe he is trying to say that, if you can get away with it then a lot of people will do it. Like for instance, speeding. If they can get away with it, they'll do it. Same as downloading music/warez. People can get away with it, so they do it.
Granted it takes different kinds of people to commit murder and rape, but the general idea is the same. If they think (or can) get away with it, they'll do it. That's how he's trying to connect the two together. People will do what they want if they can get away with it, or at least think that they can get away with it.
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| Doom 3! [message #107534] |
Thu, 12 August 2004 19:32 |
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]Can we get back on topic now? In case you forgot, it's Doom 3. 
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looks like 95% of the people forgot.......
Maybe there should a new topc about this, called: "How do you like the Doom 3", or "first impressions of Doom 3". But I shoudl not create it create it because I will never be able to play Doom 3, even if I downloaded it, because this is a crappy computer, and I can barely run Renegade on almost lowest details. (In completely lowest details Renegade does not look good, but still looks A LOT better than UT2003 on lowest details.)
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| Doom 3! [message #107637] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 08:50 |
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smwScott
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I'm not supporting piracy or anything, but comparing menial crimes like piracy or speeding to rape and muder is pure idiocy. I speed all the time, I download music. You're right, I do it because I can get away with it. But I would never do it if I thought someone would be hurt by it. Even if I could get away with murder or rape, I would never dream of doing that.
I guess there are some, generally more conservative type of people who never disobey the rules no matter what they may be. I'm not like that, I do what I do within the boundaries of my own moral principle. The only time I ever pirate a game is to see if it's worth buying, if not I delete it. There's a lot of shitty games out there that aren't worth playing and certainly not worth buying.
-smwScott
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| Doom 3! [message #107638] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 08:56 |
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everyone talks about how they don't want to buy shit games... I can't remember the last time I bought a shitty game.
I bought I think 2 games this year. Knights of the Old Republic and Farcry (more for the art and to check it out for new tech). I enjoyed both. I made sure I asked quite a few people about them before I layed the cash out. Didn't take a bunch of failed purchases to find some games I enjoyed.
Just doesn't make sense how you can argue that buying games only to find out they suck is your own fault. Farcry had a demo so that helped with my decision to buy it.
I agree official demos are the best way to go. Developers need to spend more effort on those.
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| Doom 3! [message #107639] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 08:59 |
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I'm not supporting piracy or anything, but comparing menial crimes like piracy or speeding to rape and muder is pure idiocy. I speed all the time, I download music. You're right, I do it because I can get away with it. But I would never do it if I thought someone would be hurt by it. Even if I could get away with murder or rape, I would never dream of doing that.
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In most cases, you're only indirectly hurting the people that make the game. That's generally the differnce between the rape and murder and the piracy. One is direct, the other is indirect. It doesn't justify either, but technically, both hurt people and both are crimes. I think that's what whoever-said-it meant when comparing the two.
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| Doom 3! [message #107640] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 09:03 |
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I'm not supporting piracy or anything, but comparing menial crimes like piracy or speeding to rape and muder is pure idiocy. I speed all the time, I download music. You're right, I do it because I can get away with it. But I would never do it if I thought someone would be hurt by it. Even if I could get away with murder or rape, I would never dream of doing that.
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I'm not putting it on the same level in severity, I'm putting it on the same level of legality. None of those acts are legal. Some individuals (as I said) would commit murder and rape if they could get away with it, or at least if thought they could. I didn't say you would or I would. I said SOME people may.
You can't justify any of the acts. I do agree with downloading to trying it out, but it still can't be justified because either way it's still against the law.
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| Doom 3! [message #107650] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 09:47 |
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I'm not trying to justify the acts, and I haven't downloaded a game in over a year more or less (although I still get music), and I never kept a game more than a couple days after downloading it. I don't buy very many games now, pretty much only major releases like HL2 and Doom 3, so I'm pretty much never dissapointed. However, I have bought some crap games in the past that were hyped to hell and back and got decent reviews. This is wasted money, $50 flushed right down the drain. If a game doesn't have a demo available, but I'm interested enough to try it and have no other means available, then I may consider pirating it. It will do nothing but increase my chances of buying it, except for major releases I never buy a game without trying it first. The fact is that overall games are very low quality, and very bad, there are only a select few companies that consistently pump out good titles.
And to the guy who said murder, rape, speeding, and piracy are all equally illegal, that's just stupid. Speeding isn't even a misdemeanor, and I'm not sure if piracy is even a felony. The legality of a crime is definitely on a sliding scale.
And another note: I have respect for quality game developers. This includes Westwood, Monolith, Valve, Id, etc. I haven't illegally acquired any of these games in any way. However, there are people like EA, where you never know if their latest game is a cheap cash in or a quality title. Almost all their Bond games are terrible, but the latest one is actually pretty good, it would certainly be ridiculous to waste your money on the shit ones, but at the same time you could easily miss out on a decent game. The same goes for other companies like Atari and whatnot.
-smwScott
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| Doom 3! [message #107652] |
Fri, 13 August 2004 10:04 |
phlakaton
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Don't be surprised if Pacific Assault and the new Bond from EA are not that great. They seem to change too many things too many times and they get diluted into thinking this mess they've been looking at for a few years is awesome. Notice they picked up Christopher Lee to do voice overs for Scaramanga... that's what they consider when marketing a game... who's on the list of celebrities and music acts. I swear they've given up on the game story in favor of trying to be a hollywood film studio. Oh wait... I'm ranting about EA again... forgive me. LMAO.
I see Half Life 2 on the horizon... that will be a game I buy blindly simply on the strength of the first. If it somehow... and I don't think it will... sucks... then I guess chalk that price tag up to giving the benefit of the doubt to Valve. I think it'll be super cool. Fingers Crossed.
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