| Global warming [message #218605] |
Sun, 10 September 2006 18:52  |
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Simple question: Do you believe global warming is happening?
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| Re: Global warming [message #218610 is a reply to message #218605] |
Sun, 10 September 2006 19:13  |
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Yes. Have you seen those graphs of the average temp in the US, it's growing. And those glaciers or something, is melting really fast, and soon it will be just plain water. I think making this thread is pointless.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218616 is a reply to message #218605] |
Sun, 10 September 2006 19:27 |
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Is the earth warming? Sure! Were we afraid we were causing global cooling a mere 30-40 years ago? Yep! Are we causing the global warming? Doubtful.
The earth has been going through cycles of warming and cooling ever since the beginning.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218617 is a reply to message #218616] |
Sun, 10 September 2006 19:29 |
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| Crimson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 22:27 |
Is the earth warming? Sure! Were we afraid we were causing global cooling a mere 30-40 years ago? Yep! Are we causing the global warming? Doubtful.
The earth has been going through cycles of warming and cooling ever since the beginning.
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Exactly. The earth has natural cycles. Hell, the (magnetic) poles even switch. North has been South and South has been North.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218697 is a reply to message #218605] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 07:41 |
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There has been enough scientific evidence that this is happening. It seems the US is about the only economic super power that still seems to believe it isn't. then again, they also seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of petrol left. Funny, not?
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| Re: Global warming [message #218707 is a reply to message #218605] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 08:01 |
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There has been enough scientific evidence that this is happening. It seems the US is about the only economic super power that still seems to believe it isn't. then again, they also seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of petrol left. Funny, not?
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Let's see it, then. Let's see how the actions of humans have directly caused an increase in the average temperature of the entire surface of the Earth, and explain to us how this is not being caused by natural cycles occurring on Earth and on the Sun.
Then you can explain to us how it's all the United States' fault and why we should completely ignore the actions of developing third-world nations like China (which, by the way, has the highest annual GDP growth rate and will soon rival the United States for the world's largest economy).
And Al Gore documentaries don't count as evidence because Al Gore doesn't count for a human.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218708 is a reply to message #218707] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 08:08 |
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| Hydra wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 11:01 |
Let's see it, then. Let's see how the actions of humans have directly caused an increase in the average temperature of the entire surface of the Earth, and explain to us how this is not being caused by natural cycles occurring on Earth and on the Sun.
Then you can explain to us how it's all the United States' fault and why we should completely ignore the actions of developing third-world nations like China (which, by the way, has the highest annual GDP growth rate and will soon rival the United States for the world's largest economy).
And Al Gore documentaries don't count as evidence because Al Gore doesn't count for a human.
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I don't think anyone here is claiming that. The original poster asked whether we think the climate is warming, which it is. We're not arguing who's causing it as far as I know.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218716 is a reply to message #218697] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 08:29 |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 10:41 |
There has been enough scientific evidence that this is happening. It seems the US is about the only economic super power that still seems to believe it isn't. then again, they also seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of petrol left. Funny, not?
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What evidence? The earth has rising temperatures? Sure, but, as already stated by me and Crimson, the earth goes through natural reoccuring cooling and warming stages.
Just because we consume the most amount of petrol doesn't mean that we automatically think it's an unlimited supply.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218724 is a reply to message #218716] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 08:44 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 11:29 |
| Goztow wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 10:41 |
There has been enough scientific evidence that this is happening. It seems the US is about the only economic super power that still seems to believe it isn't. then again, they also seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of petrol left. Funny, not?
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What evidence? The earth has rising temperatures? Sure, but, as already stated by me and Crimson, the earth goes through natural reoccuring cooling and warming stages.
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Nobody is claiming that Earth isn't going through natural cycles that cause temperatures to change. But it doesn't change the fact that global warming is happening, whatever the cause may be. You're assuming the same as Hydra and turning this into a debate of who is to blame, without any reason. Nobody has claimed here that the US or humans in general are to blame.
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218731 is a reply to message #218605] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 09:08 |
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I didn't state the US is to blame, I stated their politicians are still ignoring the problem deliberately.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218747 is a reply to message #218605] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 11:04 |
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I think it certainly is a problem. Just because we can't do anythign to it - which isn't necessarily true - doesn't mean we should ignore it, just like we shouldn't ignore any other natural disasters. USA's help in studying this phenomenon is important. However, that's a completely different matter which doesn't involve lessening "greenhouse gases" but researching ways to evade possible catastrophes before they happen instead. Yes, that's an exaggerated comment and we don't know what exactly might happen in 100 years, but I'm just making a point.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218763 is a reply to message #218761] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 11:43 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 14:32 |
Yes, but if it's a natural cycle that keeps switching (and causes no real harm), what point is there to try and control it? If the earth is going to cool back down, why continue research on it warming up?
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True, but we don't really know what kind of effects it could have, do we?. What I was trying to say is that it's important to have large countries such as US help discover the effects. If they prove to be nothing, it's all well. If the effects are found to be disastrous, e.g. global floods, storms or complete lack of food in many areas around the world, then at least we might be able to prepare.
I have no clue at all about this stuff, I don't know what kinf of effects a 1-degree increase in climate could cause (I don't have time to read Warranto's links), but that's my point of view nevertheless.
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| Re: Global warming [message #218790 is a reply to message #218770] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 12:56 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:10 |
Just for reference, the Kyoto Protocol, if followed, would shave 0.11 to 0.20°F off the total projected warming.
30 years ago, it was all about ZGOM GLOBAL COOLING! http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
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Pff.. all that means is that we've pumped enough gasses into the atmosphere to counteract the natural cooling trend. 
Global Warming does occur, at a "normal" rate (normal being used as a reference for what is natural). However, the same gasses that cause the warming trends are the same ones we are putting into the atmosphere as well. The "normal" rate is exponentially lower than the contribution we are making. Even though it is a normal thing to happen, does that mean we want it to happen?
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