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Thu, 19 June 2014 06:30

Pyr0man1c
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renalpha wrote on Thu, 19 June 2014 05:31

Lol so there are just a few people who actually managed to make something of their lifes?

Virtually all of those people left a long time ago

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		Good job By: zunnie on Sat, 14 June 2014 06:17
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Sat, 14 June 2014 07:49
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sat, 14 June 2014 09:21
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Sat, 14 June 2014 09:24
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Sat, 14 June 2014 10:05
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Sat, 14 June 2014 12:45
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sun, 15 June 2014 18:30
		Re: Good job By: Kholdstare on Sun, 15 June 2014 21:17
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Sun, 15 June 2014 21:46
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Tue, 17 June 2014 14:39
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Sat, 14 June 2014 13:20
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Sat, 14 June 2014 13:23
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Sat, 14 June 2014 17:07
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 14 June 2014 22:05
		Re: Good job By: -TLS-DJ-EYE-K on Tue, 17 June 2014 04:38
		Re: Good job By: Mauler on Sun, 22 June 2014 19:40
		Re: Good job By: roszek on Sun, 22 June 2014 19:44
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Mon, 23 June 2014 10:49
		Re: Good job By: renalpha on Mon, 23 June 2014 11:11
		Re: Good job By: Gen_Blacky on Tue, 24 June 2014 13:46
		Re: Good job By: [Mike] on Tue, 01 July 2014 12:50
		Re: Good job By: Mauler on Tue, 01 July 2014 16:14
		Re: Good job By: [Mike] on Sun, 15 June 2014 03:22
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sun, 15 June 2014 19:44
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Tue, 17 June 2014 17:16
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Tue, 17 June 2014 18:22
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Wed, 18 June 2014 12:54
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 18 June 2014 12:50
		Re: Good job By: Hypnos on Mon, 16 June 2014 03:04
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Mon, 16 June 2014 05:02
		Re: Good job By: Nurple on Mon, 16 June 2014 14:41
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 17 June 2014 07:32
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Tue, 17 June 2014 07:36
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Tue, 17 June 2014 08:45
		Re: Good job By: Gen_Blacky on Tue, 17 June 2014 09:00
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 17 June 2014 18:22
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Tue, 17 June 2014 18:25
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Tue, 17 June 2014 18:33
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Tue, 17 June 2014 19:04
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Tue, 17 June 2014 19:26
		Re: Good job By: Kholdstare on Tue, 17 June 2014 23:25
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Wed, 18 June 2014 04:19
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Wed, 18 June 2014 09:44
		Re: Good job By: iRANian on Wed, 18 June 2014 09:57
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Wed, 18 June 2014 18:01
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 18 June 2014 19:03
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Wed, 18 June 2014 19:25
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 18 June 2014 19:41
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Wed, 18 June 2014 19:45
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Wed, 18 June 2014 18:52
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:05
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:06
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:07
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:16
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Wed, 18 June 2014 20:45
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Wed, 18 June 2014 21:14
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Thu, 19 June 2014 04:33
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 19 June 2014 07:47
		Re: Good job By: renalpha on Thu, 19 June 2014 05:31
		Re: Good job By: Pyr0man1c on Thu, 19 June 2014 06:30
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Thu, 19 June 2014 06:08
		Re: Good job By: Kholdstare on Thu, 19 June 2014 11:13
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 11:58
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Thu, 19 June 2014 12:28
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 12:33
		Re: Good job By: renalpha on Thu, 19 June 2014 12:53
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 13:19
		Re: Good job By: renalpha on Thu, 19 June 2014 13:37
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 13:50
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Thu, 19 June 2014 13:55
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 13:56
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Thu, 19 June 2014 14:21
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 14:30
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 19 June 2014 16:26
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 19:24
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 19 June 2014 19:58
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 20:06
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 19 June 2014 21:05
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Thu, 19 June 2014 21:13
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 20 June 2014 07:53
		Re: Good job By: renalpha on Fri, 20 June 2014 00:38
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Fri, 20 June 2014 00:51
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Fri, 20 June 2014 05:58
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Fri, 20 June 2014 06:39
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 20 June 2014 07:25
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Fri, 20 June 2014 07:51
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 20 June 2014 07:52
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Fri, 20 June 2014 11:04
		Re: Good job By: Hypnos on Fri, 20 June 2014 12:41
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Fri, 20 June 2014 12:46
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Fri, 20 June 2014 11:15
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Fri, 20 June 2014 11:28
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 20 June 2014 12:05
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Fri, 20 June 2014 12:14
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 20 June 2014 13:47
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Mon, 23 June 2014 12:59
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Fri, 20 June 2014 13:13
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Sat, 21 June 2014 06:13
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Sat, 21 June 2014 07:40
		Re: Good job By: renalpha on Sat, 21 June 2014 12:52
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sun, 22 June 2014 20:44
		Re: Good job By: iRANian on Mon, 23 June 2014 04:00
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Mon, 23 June 2014 05:54
		Re: Good job By: Hypnos on Mon, 23 June 2014 06:30
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Mon, 23 June 2014 06:53
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 23 June 2014 17:18
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 24 June 2014 09:33
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Tue, 24 June 2014 13:43
		Re: Good job By: DutchNeon on Thu, 26 June 2014 16:04
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 01 July 2014 12:58
		Re: Good job By: [Mike] on Tue, 01 July 2014 13:01
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 01 July 2014 13:33
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 01 July 2014 13:34
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 01 July 2014 13:37
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 01 July 2014 13:38
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 01 July 2014 13:41
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Tue, 01 July 2014 14:16
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 01 July 2014 14:17
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Tue, 01 July 2014 19:02
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 01 July 2014 20:37
		Re: Good job By: Kholdstare on Tue, 01 July 2014 23:35
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 01 July 2014 23:40
		Re: Good job By: [Mike] on Wed, 02 July 2014 01:58
		Re: Good job By: Mauler on Wed, 02 July 2014 07:44
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Wed, 02 July 2014 08:06
		Re: Good job By: [Mike] on Wed, 02 July 2014 11:13
		Re: Good job By: Mauler on Wed, 02 July 2014 12:11
		Re: Good job By: danpaul88 on Wed, 02 July 2014 02:47
		Re: Good job By: Starbuzz on Tue, 29 July 2014 20:10
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Wed, 02 July 2014 04:06
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Wed, 02 July 2014 04:50
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Wed, 02 July 2014 05:02
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Wed, 02 July 2014 11:22
		Re: Good job By: roszek on Wed, 02 July 2014 21:06
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Thu, 03 July 2014 11:21
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Thu, 03 July 2014 15:24
		Re: Good job By: Generalcamo on Fri, 04 July 2014 05:48
		Re: Good job By: Mauler on Fri, 04 July 2014 08:40
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Fri, 04 July 2014 06:25
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Fri, 04 July 2014 13:15
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Sat, 05 July 2014 15:59
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 04 July 2014 10:10
		Re: Good job By: OWA on Mon, 07 July 2014 14:50
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 07 July 2014 17:44
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Mon, 07 July 2014 19:07
		Re: Good job By: nikki6ixx on Mon, 07 July 2014 20:35
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Fri, 04 July 2014 10:34
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 04 July 2014 12:17
		Re: Good job By: UnitXc on Mon, 07 July 2014 04:34
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Mon, 07 July 2014 08:12
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Mon, 07 July 2014 14:54
		Re: Good job By: Nurple on Mon, 07 July 2014 19:50
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Mon, 07 July 2014 20:32
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 08 July 2014 08:35
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 08 July 2014 17:08
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 08:43
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 08 July 2014 08:55
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 09:41
		Re: Good job By: Starbuzz on Tue, 08 July 2014 20:02
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 08 July 2014 10:12
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 08 July 2014 14:50
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 14:54
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 08 July 2014 14:56
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 14:58
		Re: Good job By: Xpert on Tue, 08 July 2014 14:58
		Re: Good job By: roszek on Thu, 10 July 2014 08:38
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Thu, 10 July 2014 13:15
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Fri, 11 July 2014 08:25
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Fri, 11 July 2014 09:36
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 14:59
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Tue, 08 July 2014 15:04
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 15:05
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 08 July 2014 18:27
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 08 July 2014 19:37
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 08 July 2014 19:55
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 08 July 2014 20:02
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 08 July 2014 20:11
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 08 July 2014 20:57
		Re: Good job By: iRANian on Wed, 09 July 2014 13:47
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Tue, 08 July 2014 23:53
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Wed, 09 July 2014 05:51
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 09 July 2014 06:12
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Wed, 09 July 2014 08:58
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Wed, 09 July 2014 07:48
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 09 July 2014 15:02
		Re: Good job By: iRANian on Wed, 09 July 2014 15:19
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 09 July 2014 15:21
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Thu, 10 July 2014 13:18
		Re: Good job By: Kholdstare on Thu, 10 July 2014 21:31
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 11 July 2014 15:22
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Thu, 10 July 2014 13:26
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Thu, 10 July 2014 21:36
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Fri, 11 July 2014 08:51
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Fri, 11 July 2014 09:07
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Fri, 11 July 2014 15:16
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Fri, 11 July 2014 16:05
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Fri, 11 July 2014 15:44
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Fri, 11 July 2014 16:47
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Fri, 11 July 2014 21:24
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 11 July 2014 22:58
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Fri, 11 July 2014 23:16
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 12 July 2014 08:12
		Re: Good job By: Starbuzz on Sat, 12 July 2014 08:39
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sat, 12 July 2014 09:21
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sat, 12 July 2014 10:59
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sat, 12 July 2014 11:02
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sat, 12 July 2014 11:13
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sat, 12 July 2014 11:29
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sat, 12 July 2014 11:33
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sat, 12 July 2014 12:58
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 12 July 2014 15:09
		Re: Good job By: liquidv2 on Sat, 12 July 2014 19:19
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sat, 12 July 2014 21:14
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Sat, 12 July 2014 23:04
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Sat, 12 July 2014 22:52
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sat, 12 July 2014 23:12
		Re: Good job By: UnitXc on Mon, 14 July 2014 03:14
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Mon, 14 July 2014 10:11
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Mon, 14 July 2014 12:16
		Re: Good job By: ChewML on Thu, 28 August 2014 17:48
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Fri, 29 August 2014 18:10
		Re: Good job By: Ethenal on Mon, 14 July 2014 12:28
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Mon, 14 July 2014 13:51
		Re: Good job By: roszek on Sat, 30 August 2014 00:31
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sun, 31 August 2014 13:25
		Re: Good job By: reborn on Mon, 01 September 2014 01:23
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Mon, 01 September 2014 08:52
		Re: Good job By: Tw1X on Sun, 07 September 2014 17:53
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Sun, 07 September 2014 18:12
		Re: Good job By: Tw1X on Mon, 08 September 2014 00:22
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Mon, 08 September 2014 00:49
		Re: Good job By: Tw1X on Mon, 08 September 2014 01:10
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Mon, 08 September 2014 05:33
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Mon, 08 September 2014 13:59
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Tue, 09 September 2014 05:35
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Tue, 09 September 2014 07:03
		Re: Good job By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 09 September 2014 08:51
		Re: Good job By: InternetThug on Tue, 09 September 2014 09:46
		Re: Good job By: Wyld1USA on Tue, 09 September 2014 13:38
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Tue, 09 September 2014 15:25
		Re: Good job By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 09 September 2014 18:20
		Re: Good job By: Gen_Blacky on Mon, 15 September 2014 14:36
		Re: Good job By: ehhh on Mon, 15 September 2014 15:36
		Re: Good job By: zunnie on Wed, 24 September 2014 14:19

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