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Mon, 04 September 2006 13:30

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Scythar wrote on Mon, 04 September 2006 11:30

The problem I have with that is this: "Then it can take control, making itself the observed again...". The problem is, it *WILL* take control, not "can". It has no choice, it always works in a predictable way, that's what it was built for by humans, it's a machine.

You're right, "can" was a bad word choice on my part. The observed will modify information. It's not really a conscious act, although if you have consciousness you can probably change the way you modify information... based on the sum total of the information you've received. I've messed with people before by planting careful phrases in what I write, triggering specific thoughts in their head, and directing a debate exactly where I want it to be. However, I can only do that after I receive enough "information" from them to know how they think. Cause and effect again. Huh

(Plus I feel like a manipulative jerk whenever I do that... so I don't do it often.)

Scythar wrote on Mon, 04 September 2006 11:30

More edit. Since we seem to believe everything is based on cause and effect and the lack of a real choice...how about the beginning of the universe? There was a state in there where there had not yet been any causes or effects. Maybe a real choice is only possible in a state like this. Maybe the first something really had a real choice, not an illusion of choice, and so life was born. The question is, is this first something still capable of making real choices? A real choice is when you can decide to be or do anything you ever desire, so isn't that a definition of God? Does God exist? Whoo, check out the way I got God dragged into this again Razz

While I was writing my last post, I realized we got to an issue of "First Cause" too... where's Thomas Aquinas when you need him. Big Grin

Interesting though how one minor change in focus alters so much. By claiming observers control reality, the video concluded "we are all gods" if I remember correctly (I already deleted it). By shifting the focus to say the observer is controlled by reality, we get left with the premise of a supreme being, or first cause. It seems to be the unavoidable conclusion of the concept.

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		What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Sun, 27 August 2006 15:52
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		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Wed, 30 August 2006 20:27
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Wed, 30 August 2006 08:39
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