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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99435] |
Sun, 04 July 2004 11:37   |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Whatever, don't change it if you don't want to, but I think it looks really silly right now.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99721] |
Mon, 05 July 2004 15:40 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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*hint hint wink wink screw the rocket pods and make it look like a real sub.*
Actually, it would be awesome if you just replaced the sub model you have now with a typhoon. It's a Russian ICBM sub, and it's very neat.
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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99754] |
Mon, 05 July 2004 18:49 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I don't care how realistic it is, make the missile sub look like whatever you want. The reason you should consider removing the rocket pods is that they are ugly and stupid.
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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99829] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 06:14 |
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Removing them will make the sub ugly and stupid, it's supposed to have them. That's like telling us to remove the extra barrel on the heavy tank or the extra barrel and the rocket launchers on the mammoth tank because real tanks don't have them, or removing the tesla coil (tesla soldier, tank, rifle too) from the game, or the flame tower, etc. from the game because they're not realistic.
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There is absolutely no reason what so ever to remove the rocket launchers.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99864] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 07:52 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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No....I don't necessarily care how realistic it looks, I'm just saying that the sub looks stupid with some big boxes sticking out the top. If you made an entriely new submarine model that is not realistic at all and that no one has ever even seen, but looks great, I would not object to it at all.
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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99885] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 09:23 |
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I like it. Looks like a submarine with rocket pod....oh that's what it should be. I liked ACK's post about the rainbow submarine^
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99891] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 09:35 |
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He says, that he wants them removed. He doesn't say, that he wants them changed. I think thats Sirphoenix' point.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99893] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 09:44 |
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LMAO. This all reminds me of my time at EALA when a certain "producer" wanted to change a particular piece of art but didn't know what he wanted changed. All he knew is he was "producer" and he didn't like "something" ... not that he knew. He was Mr. "producer." So he leaves it up to me... Mr. "Lead Artist" and says you make the call... so I say it's done. But that wasn't good enough... so he wanted it changed. Not sure what he wanted changed. But it was my call. LOL. At least here there is a clear issue. Rocket Pods. I say leave em. Use em. Play with em. Form follows function in this case I guess... right? LOL.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99902] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 11:03 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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...I don't not know what I want changed...I say the rocket pods should be removed and replaced with vertically-firing launch tubes...but if Sir Phoenixx doesn't want to change it, then that's cool - I guess it's mostly a matter of taste.
And doitle, thanks.
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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99915] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 12:44 |
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Just because he thinks it's ugly and stupid is NO reason to remove it. A reason would be if it wasn't on the sub in any referrences.
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No....I don't necessarily care how realistic it looks
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You're bitching about how ugly and stupid it looks because real subs don't have rocket launchers like that, because it's not realistic and how it should have vertical internal launchers because that's what real subs fire them from(which isn't true in this case, since this particular sub in real life doesn't have any silos at all.), and yet you don't care how realistic it looks? :rolleyes:
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Form follows function in this case I guess... right? LOL.
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ALL visual referrences from Red Alert of the missile sub clearly show a Russian Akula submarine, with two rocket launchers mounted on the top of it.
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I guess it's mostly a matter of taste.
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No, taste has nothing to do with this. It's a matter of common sense. The Red Alert missile sub had two rocket launchers mounted externally, since this mod is supposed to be Red Alert, the missile sub was made with two rocket launchers mounted externally.
Let me rephrase it...
There is absolutely no VALID reason what so ever to remove the rocket launchers.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99921] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 13:06 |
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smwScott
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An ideal way to handle it would be to incorporate a torpedo system. The sub fires a torpedo, the torpedo floats to the top and then launches a missle (this would be the best way, and a similar system is used in real warfare, but I doubt it would be possible or at least very hard to do). Either that or have the missles fire upwards out of the submarine.
Or, you can keep it like it is. It's not that bad, just a bit silly looking. And if you think about the logistics of it then there's no way that thing could ever function. I realize that it was that way in Red Alert, so that's a very good argument for having it that way in Ren Alert. Only problem is it looks a lot worse in a 3D FPS environment than it did in Red Alert where you could barely make it out.
Don't bite my head off, just listing a few alternatives to what you already have.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99929] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 13:32 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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About torpedoes popping out of the water and engaging a rocket propulsion system - one version is called the UUM-44A SUBROC, which is launched normally from a 21 inch torpedo tube; at a safe distance from the submarine the solid-fuel rocket motor ignites and the weapon follows a short level path before pitching out of the water. At the optimum payload release point, the missile having been steered by 4 jet reflectors, the 5kT yield W55 warhead is released by a combination of explosive bolts and a thrust reversal deceleration system, continuing on a ballistic trajectory to the target area. The bomb then sinks to a set depth before detonating. It weighs 4,000 pounds and has a range of 1.5 miles.
Phoenixx - I'm not bitching about it being ugly and stupid because real subs don't have rocket pods, I'm bitching about it being ugly and stupid. And this particular sub in real life is not a ballistic missile submarine, last I checked.
This is a Russian Akula submarine.
This is not clearly a Russian Akula submarine. It resembles one, but they are not the same. For one, an Akula doesn't bulge out at the nose.
Lastly: Fine, leave the rocket pods if you want to. Blindly follow the source material, no matter how silly it makes the submarine look. There are better ways to incorporate rocket launching devices in to an attack submarine than crazy gluing refridgerator cartons to the outside.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99932] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 13:38 |
phlakaton
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Calm down Phoenix... you don't have to rebutt every comment. Form doesn't always follow function either... lol. You're right about Red Alert. If it's what you want then leave it. People can say what they want. It's your mod.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99976] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 17:12 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
And this particular sub in real life is not a ballistic missile submarine, last I checked.
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Which is exactly what I said.
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This is not clearly a Russian Akula submarine. It resembles one, but they are not the same. For one, an Akula doesn't bulge out at the nose.
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Besides the fact that I never said that that was "clearly a Russian Akula submarine"... I said several times in this thread alone that the rocket pods and a larger nose was added to match the Red Alert missile sub.
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Lastly: Fine, leave the rocket pods if you want to. Blindly follow the source material, no matter how silly it makes the submarine look. There are better ways to incorporate rocket launching devices in to an attack submarine than crazy gluing refridgerator cartons to the outside.
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They don't make the submarine look silly. I'm not blindly following anything. You're comparing this sub to real subs, completely ignoring the simple fact that this isn't a realism game, that the only thing that matters is how close it resembles the referrences used, that the fact that real subs don't have rocket launchers like these is completely and totally irrelavant.
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as SirP said, this mod is based on Red Alert. in RA, the missile sub had rocket pods on the side. so it only makes sense that the missile sub in the mod has it. in a way it would kinda be like saying, "omg there are no walking mech on the battlefield, why does reborn have titans?" because the mods are based on game and these games had these items.
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Exactly.
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A normal akula class with no rocket launchers. Now he sees an akula with rocket launchers and goes "eww... that looks ugly" Not because its unrealistic, but because he doesn't like it.
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Um... You're saying he's calling it ugly because normal (real) Akulas don't have rocket launchers.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #99984] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 18:18 |
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I'm not trying to convert anyone, I'm not trying to change his opinion, I'm not saying he can't give his opinion. I'm simply stating the simple fact (Well, apparently it isn't that simple, as he still can't understand it.) that realism and the fact that real subs don't have them doesn't matter, that they're supposed to be there. He's the one trying to convince me that they should be removed.
If the Akula actually had these rocket launchers he wouldn't be complaining about them. But solely because the Akula doesn't, they're supposedly ugly, completely disregarding the fact that they're not based off of the real Akula but off of the Red Alert missile sub's rocket launchers.
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| Renegade Alert Missile Sub [message #100053] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 05:43 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Here, Sir Phoenixx, take a long hard look at this acronym:
IDNCAR
Let's break it down, shall we?
I Do Not Care About Realism
As you can see, I don't care about realism with this submarine. Design a brand new sub from the ground up if you want to. But rocket pods look stupid. And you basing the missile sub off of something doesn't just equate into it looking good.
Again, IDNCAR.
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