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Unit Balance [message #87703]

Sat, 15 May 2004 08:48

SuperFlyingEngi
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tahnhm07: How can you know something as broad as this? There's no other unit that, if transferred into an anti-air weapon could be nearly as effective as a sniper rifle, where you can shoot anything you can see, and do major damage to it. Sniper rifles should stop being the bane of light vehicles and start actually being anti-infntry weapons, which is what they do anyway.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 10:00

mrpirate
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Ramjet Rifles aren't technically sniper rifles.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 14:25

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Deathgod

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I use both n00b cannons and aircraft so I know exactly what it's like to be in both positions.

Somehow, I think the only position you're familiar with is bending over and grabbing your ankles, judging by the whining in this thread.

Sure, if by "whining in this thread" you mean "Deathgod whining about proposed balance changes."

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Sat, 15 May 2004 18:00

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Same range as the sniper rifle, has a scope (that nobody usues)... what makes this "technicaly not a sniper rifle"? The name?

Hah, I've seen ACK play. He's damn good. Less than I can say about people who only leave their little dark clan servers to bitch about alternate rules that won't even affect them... :rolleyes:

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Sat, 15 May 2004 21:03

mrpirate
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Same range as the sniper rifle, has a scope (that nobody usues)... what makes this "technicaly not a sniper rifle"? The name?

The name and the fact that there is a sniper rifle in the game and the Ramjet isn't it.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 21:44

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Sounds like they have a vested interest in maintaining the current amount of damage against aircraft.... and the points against all tanks/aircraft.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 21:51

Javaxcx
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Snipers damage to aircraft should be left alone.
The points obtained for doing relatively no damage should be changed. Points should be proportional to the damage being delt.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:42

tanhm07
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Same range as the sniper rifle, has a scope (that nobody usues)... what makes this "technicaly not a sniper rifle"? The name?

Obviously, you did not see the screenshots that i posted. FFS. get real. If i attached a scope onto a rocket launcher and give it the same range. WOULD YOU SAY THAT IS A FUCKING SNIPER RIFLE? IT STILLS GIVES ONE HIT KILLS ON HEADSHOT. JUST LIKE A SNIPER RIFLE. OMG A ROCKET LAUNCHER WITH A SCOPE IS A SNIPER RIFLE!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:45

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snip·er P Pronunciation Key (snpr)
n.
A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:48

tanhm07
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tahnhm07: How can you know something as broad as this? There's no other unit that, if transferred into an anti-air weapon could be nearly as effective as a sniper rifle, where you can shoot anything you can see, and do major damage to it. Sniper rifles should stop being the bane of light vehicles and start actually being anti-infntry weapons, which is what they do anyway.

The ramjet is not a sniper rifle. Now according to the name, it just states ''ramjet rifle'' see my screenshots.

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ram: n. A male sheep. rAny of several devices used to drive, batter, or crush by forceful impact, especially: A battering ram. The weight that drops in a pile driver or steam hammer. The plunger or piston of a force pump or hydraulic press. A hydraulic ram. A projection on the prow of a warship, used to batter or cut into enemy vessels. A ship having such a projection. Ram See Aries. tr.v. rammed, ram-ming, rams To strike or d

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ramjet : used to drive, batter, or crush by forceful impact, A jet-propelled vehicle, especially a jet-propelled aircraft

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:51

Javaxcx
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Well, technically, it shouldn't really be called "Sniper rifle" as much as "sniper's rifle". Aircraftkiller gave you the right definition, but any "rifle" and be used for sniping. The Lee Enfield, for example.

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:51

tanhm07
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snip·er P Pronunciation Key (snpr)
n.
A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

A skilled military shooter

Lmao. You guys are running about saying that people who used havocs are un-skilled. N00bjets etc etc

pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.

Errr.. If its a concealed place, ( To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; ) Smile

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But, havocs should from the open! We can See them!! They are not concealed. ^.^

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:52

Aircraftkiller
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The Ramjet Rifle is a sniper rifle. It's simply an upgraded version of the Sniper Rifle, the name is simply a name alone. It has no relevance to damages or how it operates.

In your above post you succeed at making no sense, do you want to elaborate and try again?

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Sat, 15 May 2004 23:53

tanhm07
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But aren't you just assuming?

Edit: Snipers hide and shoot. Do havocs do that? No. which leads us to the fact that they are not 'snipers'

EdiT: Bah screw it. Since its not gonna be implemented to ALL official maps, go aead. Make it ^.^ I'd like to see what happens. City_flying_exp2??

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Unit Balance [message #87822]

Sat, 15 May 2004 23:54

Aircraftkiller
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Think about it. I had a hand in developing this game. Think, also, about what PiMuRho said, as he had very close ties to the development team. There's a rather good chance that we both know what we're talking about.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:00

tanhm07
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Yes i forgot. Since you guys had a hand at what? developing this game. You guys are always right. I mean us players who play the game too are wrong. Right? Yeah. OMG /me bows down to ACK and the others who had a hand in developing this game. You guys are l33t man.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:04

Aircraftkiller
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Thanks for admitting you're wrong in that poor attempt at sarcasm. If you're simply going by name alone in the game, and not by what was intended by the people who developed it, you're not really arguing much more than semantics for a game that already breaks the meanings of a lot of words concerning realism.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:11

tanhm07
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tanhm07

EdiT: Bah screw it. Since its not gonna be implemented to ALL official maps, go aead. Make it ^.^ I'd like to see what happens. City_flying_exp2??

and when it comes out, be sure to post it in the pits.

Btw: The point of beta testing is to see if the people like the change. or game. Maybe ea stop supporting rene because people at rene didn't listen to players opinions. I'll speak again once the map comes out and i've tried it. Then i'll say if the changes are for better or worst. maybe if its good we'll make it to all the maps?

Btw: clarification. I opposed to the changes because i did not want a city_flying_exp2. Not because i'm nota gainst the points havoc gained. But i still agree with the damage. Maybe if you tone it down to 1.5 times that of deadeye to vehicals. I'm still ok with that.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:17

Aircraftkiller
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The only reason you agree with it is because you're almost exclusively a n00b cannon user and would not like having to hide and think, for once, in the game. This is the usual problem with people who oppose it, they're so used to it that they wouldn't know what to do when they can't shoot down aircraft in five seconds from maximum viewing distance.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:20

Deathgod
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Aircraftkiller

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Aircraftkiller

I use both n00b cannons and aircraft so I know exactly what it's like to be in both positions.

Somehow, I think the only position you're familiar with is bending over and grabbing your ankles, judging by the whining in this thread.

Sure, if by "whining in this thread" you mean "Deathgod whining about proposed balance changes."

So me pointing out that there is actually dissent about these changes makes me a whiner? That helps to explain where you're coming from, I guess. All I see here is people whining because they are too stupid to counter the snipers and instead choose to throw themselves into death repeatedly and wonder why they can't win. THE PROBLEM HERE IS STRATEGY, NOT THE SNIPERS. Why can't you see that?

While I'm on the subject, TEH MAPS IS BAD and I DESLIKE U.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:24

Deathgod
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Hah, I've seen ACK play. He's damn good. Less than I can say about people who only leave their little dark clan servers to bitch about alternate rules that won't even affect them... :rolleyes:

He's not too bad, it depends on what aspect of Ren we're discussing.

I'm curious if your little jab was directed at Java and I, though. If you have something to say, then man up and say it. Being a bitch doesn't get you anywhere. I also find it amusing you like to come here and try to talk shit about us, because I have never seen you here before a few weeks ago, and I'm willing to bet that you suck at everything, including Renegade and life.

These rules do affect us even though we're not running the maps because of the fact that there are a lot of people in this 'community' who are completely unaware of these changes, and these people will wonder why their game experience is completely different from server to server. Perhaps if you thought about everyone involved and not just yourself you might be better off.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:33

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The only reason you agree with it is because you're almost exclusively a n00b cannon user and would not like having to hide and think, for once, in the game. This is the usual problem with people who oppose it, they're so used to it that they wouldn't know what to do when they can't shoot down aircraft in five seconds from maximum viewing distance.

yeah sure ACK, Go ahead. attack my style of playing. And the only reason that people disagree with it is because they're almost exclusively a flyer and would not like having to hide and think, for once, in the game. This is the usual problem with people who agree with it, they're so used to it that they wouldn't know what to do when they get shoot down in five seconds from maximum viewing distance, except to whine and suggest a new map where their heli would own. Smile

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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:37

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Deathgod

So me pointing out that there is actually dissent about these changes makes me a whiner? That helps to explain where you're coming from, I guess. All I see here is people whining because they are too stupid to counter the snipers and instead choose to throw themselves into death repeatedly and wonder why they can't win. THE PROBLEM HERE IS STRATEGY, NOT THE SNIPERS. Why can't you see that?

While I'm on the subject, TEH MAPS IS BAD and I DESLIKE U.

You haven't just pointed out dissent, you've actively participated in the discussion by arguing against any changes to the snipers. That's no different to the people that have argued the opposite. You've stated your reasons, we've stated ours. Now either that makes us all whiners (including you), or you simply resorted to accusations of whining in an attempt to belittle other people's arguments. You were the first person to start talking about whining in this thread, remember?

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Sun, 16 May 2004 07:03

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Deathgod: Man up and say it? Thems letters been said up thar boy, read ums gewd! and, OMG I N00B R SUX AT EVRTING I BETR GO CRY ME TO SLEEEP! Laughing

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People in the community would like an alternative to playing with the squirley standard Renegade "snipers." Since these alternate rules will most likely be a server option, you will still have the easy choice of playing standard Renegade.

tanhm07: A Ramjet is a specialised sniper rifle. The name refers to the shell, which is self-propelled with highly compressed gas, expelled through a nossle in the rear. Since it can keep it's own spin and propell itself, it has a greater range than a standard sniper rifle, beter killing power, and is more effective against soft-skin vehicles. In reality, I don't think they're all that more effective than a big-assed 50cal sniper rifle.

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Sun, 16 May 2004 09:01

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In the manual, it actually says that the ramjet rifle is an "Anti-Material" weapon.

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