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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84395] Fri, 30 April 2004 11:43 Go to next message
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I have successfully reimplemented Tiberian Dawn-style Surface-to-Air Missile Sites. Smile

http://www.cannis.net/commando/images/c4/screen/sam_01.jpg

They pop up when you fly near them and go underground after it has destroyed the target.

No additional scripting needed Smile

http://www.cannis.net/commando/images/c4/screen/sam_02.jpg
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84397] Fri, 30 April 2004 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sounds cool, but from the screenshot it looks as if the SAM is really just invisible. Does it really go under ground or is it always in the same place as far as hit and collision detection goes, with a little animation that pops up?

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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84399] Fri, 30 April 2004 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I dont think that matters. Here is a question though, can you walk over them when they ain't popped up?
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84402] Fri, 30 April 2004 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Deafwasp

I dont think that matters. Here is a question though, can you walk over them when they ain't popped up?


No.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84428] Fri, 30 April 2004 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whats the use of an underground structure, that cannot be walked or driver over, and people can still hit and damage the invisible SAM that is actually invis aboveground Sad
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84429] Fri, 30 April 2004 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whats the use of an underground structure, that cannot be walked or driver over, and people can still hit and damage the invisible SAM that is actually invis aboveground Sad


No, you got it wrong.
When it's underground, it is very hard to destroy it.
When it exposes its turret (pops up from underground bunker) to fire the missiles, it becomes vulnerable.

In Tiberian Dawn, if you didn't have Commando, you would have to send aircraft flying over it and then destroy it by attacking it with ground troops when it has exposed itself.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84433] Fri, 30 April 2004 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In Tiberian Dawn, any unit could eventually destroy a SAM site. I frequently used groups of grenadiers to do it.

C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84439] Fri, 30 April 2004 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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PiMuRho

In Tiberian Dawn, any unit could eventually destroy a SAM site. I frequently used groups of grenadiers to do it.


I never said that the SAM is totally immune to damage.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84441] Fri, 30 April 2004 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It would be bad form to drive over an underground structure anyway, because if an arcraft zoomed by then the missile launcher would pop up and smash in to a person or tank or something.

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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84449] Fri, 30 April 2004 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i think its good that you cant walk over it and driver over it... that keeps you from getting stuck if it suddenly pops up

anyway good work Smile is there any chance that the way to do it will be given to the public?


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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84450] Fri, 30 April 2004 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it classified as a vehicle or structure?

There must be some way to be able to drive over it.


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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84451] Fri, 30 April 2004 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cebt

is there any chance that the way to do it will be given to the public?


JonWil is working on a SAM Site script.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84452] Fri, 30 April 2004 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IRON-FART

Is it classified as a vehicle or structure?


Vehicle.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84453] Fri, 30 April 2004 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IRON-FART

Is it classified as a vehicle or structure?

There must be some way to be able to drive over it.


from what i know all those kinds of turrets are classified as vehicles... its only the big base defenses that are structure...

and it sounds good that its gonna be public Smile


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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84471] Fri, 30 April 2004 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like the reticle in the style of the Tiberian Dawn attack cursor.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84478] Fri, 30 April 2004 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you use JFW_Base_Defence_Aircraft_Only_Animated_Secondary (comming in 1.7) along with the b_samsite-up.gmax from the buildings.zip on the westwood FTP, you get (hopefully) fully working popup sam sites with everything in place.

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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84490] Fri, 30 April 2004 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even though nobody asked this, the reason why you can't walk or drive over the SAM Site is because of the world box that covers the whole SAM Site, including the height that the SAM Site pops out to.

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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84506] Fri, 30 April 2004 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seaman, how are you implementing this?

My way works great (just tested it)


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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84535] Fri, 30 April 2004 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84576] Sat, 01 May 2004 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SeaMan, I've been trying to contact you on AIM, could you sign on some day? :rolleyes:


I have been online for the for most of the day on yesterday and I didn't see you online.
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Maybe just put a small fence around it. that would solve people colliding with invisible objects.

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C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84579] Sat, 01 May 2004 02:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seaman, how are you implementing this?

My way works great (just tested it)


Simply, it employs the unused SAM Site logic.

As I said on other thread, the game is hardcoded to look up for certain animations for the SAM Site.

It attacks only flying vehicles. Infantry and ground vehicles are ignored.
It fires a salvo of missiles and then returns underground to reload and then pops up again to fire.
The reload/burst value must match the animation length, otherwise errors occur and the SAM starts shooting from inside the bunker.
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84609] Sat, 01 May 2004 05:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe just put a small fence around it. that would solve people colliding with invisible objects.

Cool, got my vote Cool
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84735] Sat, 01 May 2004 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, maybe some sandbags with a little barbed wire. Smile
C&C Commando: SAM Site tests successful! [message #84744] Sat, 01 May 2004 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Me and jonwil have brainstormed and I tested to find if you can animate world boxes to move, it is 100% impossible in my knowledge to animate them to move. Making them move is a big hassle as making the SAM behave more like a vehicle, and also, n00bs would stand on top of it to keep the SAM from popping out.

SeaMan

I have been online for the for most of the day on yesterday and I didn't see you online.


What time zone are you? Maybe we both have way different time zones. I'm Pacific Time Zone, GMT-08:00.
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