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Why Windows? [message #74418] Sun, 28 March 2004 17:30 Go to next message
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Let me ask you this: Why almost everi computer in the world uses Windows Confused ? Is it so hard for some other company to create something else or something similar that would be compatible with windows and other programs? Almost everibody knows that Windows sucks. It is like if everi car used the same engine, and almost no one would even dream of creating other engines, except maybe few that would be incopatible with the cars that use the first engine. I know that compatibility is a big issue, but look at CD-Roms: Every CD-Rom drive (made by any company)can read almost all kinds of CDs made by different companies. If this works with CD-Rom drives, it should work with Windows, and any other OS.
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Why Windows? [message #74420] Sun, 28 March 2004 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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let's put it this way, it's too late for someone to develop something that can compete. it's like trying to start up a brand new car company that u expect to compete with GM, Ford, etc... Microsoft pratically has a monopoly and trying to create a new OS you would either be bought out by MS itself or you would be squashed right off the bat. MS will not let anyone compete with them, they are on top and they plan on staying on top.

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Why Windows? [message #74423] Sun, 28 March 2004 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why Windows? [message #74430] Sun, 28 March 2004 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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its called lindows and it sux
they charge you money for a linux distro crappier than the rest and call it an easy switch from windows cuz of their click and run crap(which you also have to pay for)

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Why Windows? [message #74432] Sun, 28 March 2004 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Almost every computer in the world uses windows because of stupid people.

Literally. Stupid people.

MS markets windows primarily to those who are too dumb to know what windows is even. Some people are so computer-stupid that they do not know when they are getting ripped off. So the obvious choice when you want a computer is to run over to Dell or Gateway, and spend your money on a Windows OS computer. They don't know of any other OS. Linux, Mac and many other OS's remain unused by the majority of people.


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Why Windows? [message #74433] Sun, 28 March 2004 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There was a time when there were more operating systems. That was the time for competition. Windows has already won.
Why Windows? [message #74445] Sun, 28 March 2004 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I prefer windows over using OS X. Oh they say it does not crash like windows. It just crashes in it's own unique way.

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Why Windows? [message #74461] Sun, 28 March 2004 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Microsoft windows failed to crash because of an unexpected error"

Why Windows? [message #74470] Sun, 28 March 2004 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I always hear jokes that Mac uses use Mac OS because they are too stupid. Laughing

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Why Windows? [message #74479] Sun, 28 March 2004 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I dont use Windows, I use OSX, I run Windows in VirtualPc as more of a suplement...

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always hear jokes that Mac uses use Mac OS because they are too stupid.


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Why Windows? [message #74525] Sun, 28 March 2004 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was on a mac only once, and I found a button to format the hard drive right in the menu at the top... I'm hoping thats not true for all mac's Confused

Why Windows? [message #74553] Mon, 29 March 2004 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was on a mac only once, and I found a button to format the hard drive right in the menu at the top... I'm hoping thats not true for all mac's Confused


I once was on a windows pc, (wait I'm almost all the time behind a windows pc). On the desktop there was a link to the harddisk. when you pressed your left mouse you could navigate around the HD. But when you used the right mouse button there came al these evil extra options like formating the HD.

So this is actually not only a mac thing, but when you press buttons like these you will see you first have to go trough a lot of security checks before you can actually start.

Anyways I'm more of a linux guy. I'm doing a lot of programming work, and it's easy with linux to set up ftp connections and ssh connections.


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Why Windows? [message #74561] Mon, 29 March 2004 04:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have been trying (without success) to find an article I read a while back.

Basically the article stated that in future there is likely to be a three way fight between Solaris, Windows and Linux.
Some other OS's may survive, but they won't have anywhere near the user base of these three.

I kind of agree with that article with the reservation that I am not sure how some of the OS'es on newer devices will pan out, (Mobile phones, PDA and such).

Personally I see the strengths of these three being:

Solaris: Good on high end Sun and Fujitsu hardware.
Linux: Cheap/Free and reliable server side OS.
Windows: Well known desktop OS.

I use all three OS'es almost every weekday and I like all of them.

I don't see any new OS'es coming into any of these markets for these reasons:

In order to compete at the high end server market you need a lot of money to build hardware and develop an OS there just aren't that many companies that have the resources/desire to do it.

For a low end server, it is difficult to find flaws in Linux and its really difficult to beat the price. Smile

For the desktop, I just don't think MS will let anyone else into the market.
I think they will do anything they can to stop someone getting a foothold.
Why Windows? [message #74566] Mon, 29 March 2004 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, I guess it was just a matter of time until the OS fight topics came here too...

All OS's have their pros and cons, Linux is good for some things, and in some other stuff, Windows is superior to Linux.


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Why Windows? [message #74578] Mon, 29 March 2004 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Although many people hate Microsoft, and their OSs', but tbh, they make REALLY good Operating Systems. Most are stable (Windows 2000, 2003, NT etc).

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Why Windows? [message #74580] Mon, 29 March 2004 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Windows and Mac are meant to be user friendly OSs for the majority of society which still consists of more computer illiterate people then computer literate. There will always be windows, but Linux will still stand, but it still wont be more used then Windows because the majority of the population doesn’t have a use for it.

Why Windows? [message #74609] Mon, 29 March 2004 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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O.K, windows has taken over. Before windows, there were programs like MS-DOS, Volcow commander(or what was it called), DOS-Navigator, Norton commander (I have this one on my computer just for fun Razz ), and maybe more. Those Operating Systems were replaced by the first Windows 3.11(or what number was it) and then by Windows 95, but what happened to them afterwards? Did they disappear? Why didn't the creators of those programs try to compete with the Windows?
Someone explain this to me. Confused
Why Windows? [message #74611] Mon, 29 March 2004 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Terminator 101

O.K, windows has taken over. Before windows, there were programs like MS-DOS, Volcow commander(or what was it called), DOS-Navigator, Norton commander (I have this one on my computer just for fun Razz ), and maybe more. Those Operating Systems were replaced by the first Windows 3.11(or what number was it) and then by Windows 95, but what happened to them afterwards? Did they disappear? Why didn't the creators of those programs try to compete with the Windows?
Someone explain this to me. Confused



$$$$$$$ Creating OS's required a lot of time and resources. After Windows 95 not many companies could compete with MS and survive. 95 was the straw that broke the camel's back. Being the first true mainstream GUI OS does have its perks.

BTW 3.11 was still a DOS shell.


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Why Windows? [message #74621] Mon, 29 March 2004 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The amount of crashes in an OS is directly proportionate to the user's inability to use it correctly.

I cannot, in recent memory, recall any time in which I got an error that I did not know how to fix, or at least did not accept as my own fault.

When you've got a problem, the first thing you should be checking is the user.err file. :thumbsup:
Why Windows? [message #74623] Mon, 29 March 2004 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BTW 3.11 was still a DOS shell.


Wasn't Windows 95/98 and maybe even 2000 still a DOS shell with a graphical interface?
Why Windows? [message #74633] Mon, 29 March 2004 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kinda but they integrated the graphics into it so that the os was useless without the gui. Btw sun...? solaris is a unix(linux's big bro) os, wich is being abandoned by sun in favor of....?Linux!! All of Sun's upcoming workstations are going to be linux based. So the question is wich person are you windows?(it's not going away....ever) or linux(wich needs lots of work to make it more user freindly). We my freinds are in a world now dominated by pc's. Even stupid people need to be able to use them. Wich is what MS markets to makes for, and linux needs to gravitate to, if it ever wants to compete with windows.
(BIG strides in the last few distros have done this but still more is needed). Even Mac os is unix based now. The days of old are long gone in having to understand how it works to use it. The day will never come when just one platform will exist.


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Why Windows? [message #74643] Mon, 29 March 2004 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2000 is natively NTFS but could be installed as a FAT32 and possibly FAT16. But DOS/95 are FAT and 95OSR2/98/98SE/ME are FAT32
3.1x was just a shell for DOS and a lot of people do not consider it a true GUI OS.

NTFS does not use DOS. It has something similar in the Command Prompt, but it is not DOS. I dare you to go to a hard core IT person and tell him to open the "DOS window" in Server 2000. Razz


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Why Windows? [message #74649] Mon, 29 March 2004 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2000 is natively NTFS but could be installed as a FAT32 and possibly FAT16. But DOS/95 are FAT and 95OSR2/98/98SE/ME are FAT32


WTF are you talking about:

NTFS = New Technology Filing System

NTFS is simply a filing sytem(partion type) it has nothing to do with whether the OS is based on DOS or not.

If MS wanted to they could have released a new version of DOS that could read and write to NTFS partitions but it would still be DOS. **

The deciding factor is not the partition type, but how the OS interacts with the hardware, In Windows 3.11, windows just made DOS calls and it was DOS that made the hardware calls. In Windows NT based OS'es the windows NT kernel makes direct calls to the hardware without going through a DOS layer.


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Why Windows? [message #74652] Mon, 29 March 2004 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was on a mac only once, and I found a button to format the hard drive right in the menu at the top... I'm hoping thats not true for all mac's Confused


I once was on a windows pc, (wait I'm almost all the time behind a windows pc). On the desktop there was a link to the harddisk. when you pressed your left mouse you could navigate around the HD. But when you used the right mouse button there came al these evil extra options like formating the HD.

So this is actually not only a mac thing, but when you press buttons like these you will see you first have to go trough a lot of security checks before you can actually start.

Anyways I'm more of a linux guy. I'm doing a lot of programming work, and it's easy with linux to set up ftp connections and ssh connections.


I thought the only way to format a HD was to go into MS-DOS and type the 'fdisk' command. Heh, well thats how I've always done it Razz .

I still have a laptop that has windows 3.11 on it. It's a Toshiba T4400C. I unearthed it when I was cleaning the basement one day. The amazing thing is, it still runs great, and the battery still works. The only thing that was wrong with it was that the clock read 1996 Confused .


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Windows and Mac are meant to be user friendly OSs for the majority of society which still consists of more computer illiterate people then computer literate.


I have found quite the opposite. Macs are for video editing professionals, graphics artists, and 3d artists. A PC simple can't compare when performing these tasks. Contrary to popular belief, Macs are far from easy to use, at this point in development, the Aqua interface is plaged with bugs and cosmetic problems and feels sluggish at times. That's why I choose to use KDE instead.


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