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| RenMonitor [message #73329] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 18:57   |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
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| ssptweek |
hmmm Alk let me see if i can explain this n00b style. So you understand this.
With this program:
Why use alt-tab
Why not use in-game commands
Well you wouldn't. Idiot, let's try to think here...ahhh yes BR reports to IRC, you can kick from IRC, and see what is typed in IRC.
Well what it looks like to me is snipesimo wrote a script (which you can't write) for when admin's / moderator's are in IRC with fellow admins / moderators not playing the game. It appears it makes it easier to control a game from IRC. So for several people who are admins / moderators might find this script usefull...of course you wouldn't, because your a n00b.
Shit Crimson should make a whole page on n00bstories...dedicated to your ass. So in n00b language for you....this is for when you are in IRC and NOT in the game....dumbass
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First of all STFU you random dumbass. Let me explain why this program is compeltely retraded:
Here are the steps this gay program has to take to work:
- FDS SERVER Starts
- Br.net starts
- Br.net sends info to IRC
- Client starts MIRC and connects to channel (notice, this stupid program does not work without mirc)
- Client starts SNIPESMOs POS application
Basically this program forces you to take 10 differnt routes to do something that would normally require only 1 step:
Use NATRIVE RENREM SUPPORT AND LOG INTO THE DAMN FDS DIRECTLY instead fucking around with this IRC SHIT.
Puft, as if Dante hadn't made it already easy enough, he could have just ripped off Dante's Renremn 32 and base his app off that instead of going to this irc bullshit route.
The fact of the matter is, anyone can use the source code for renrem32, make a program with some buttons and map fds commands in it, then have it communicate with the FDS directly instead of fucking around with IRC :rolleyes:
but knowing Snipesmo, he has to fuck with irc.... :rolleyes:
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73330] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 19:05 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
Karma: 0
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General (1 Star)
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As it stands now, its a wannabe renrem32 & br.net look-a-like app.
If snipesmo hadn't wrecked all my post, I would have posted nothing on this thread, but since he has ruined all my posts I feel obligated to ruin his.
Here is some advice Snipesmo:
- Use the damn source code for renrem 32 and rebuild your app so that it communicates directly with the fds instead of having to go through the IRC route.
- If you stop wrecking my posts I'll stop wrecking yours. 
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73341] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 19:50 |
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gibberish
Messages: 366
Registered: May 2003
Karma: 0
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This flame war gave me an idea,
Has anyone written a regulator that can respond to pages i.e. you log into WOL then page the name of the server and it could write back player infomation to you via pages, then you wouldn't need any client (IRC or otherwise) to be able to kick.
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| RenMonitor [message #73342] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 19:55 |
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Messages: 366
Registered: May 2003
Karma: 0
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| Alkaline |
Use the damn source code for renrem 32 and rebuild your app so that it communicates directly with the fds instead of having to go through the IRC route.
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Some people don't like exposing the RenRem port to the internet, there is at least one good reason not to do this.
Hence IRC is a reasonable compromise since there is already a network of servers that can be connected to.
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| RenMonitor [message #73344] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 20:25 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
Karma: 0
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General (1 Star)
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| ssptweek |
ok lil bitch, make some sense
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Here are the steps this gay program has to take to work:
- FDS SERVER Starts
- Br.net starts
- Br.net sends info to IRC
- Client starts MIRC and connects to channel (notice, this stupid program does not work without mirc)
- Client starts SNIPESMOs POS application
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hmmm can BR run with out the FDS Server Starting....NO
so the FDS has to start....idiot
BR starts...like normal
BR sends to IRC....yes which i can't think of a real server that doesn't do this.
mIRC....you already start this and connect to a channel in under a second to watch the game with fellow clan members/moderators
in under another second, if snipe added an on start, or on connect script for it. or u type a command....still starts in under a second.
So what 10 different routes are there? None. Well maybe for you....or do you have BR sending to IRC, and are u watching the game through a script?? just curious. If you do...well than dumbass....
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Puft, as if Dante hadn't made it already easy enough, he could have just ripped off Dante's Renremn 32 and base his app off that instead of going to this irc bullshit route.
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Maybe i am confused here...are you talking about the RenRem.Net? didn't Steve Tall make that?
So once again you have been proven wrong....n00b
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What the Hell are you talking about idiot? THis application if made properly DOES NOT NEED BR.NET ONLY FDS. You dare call me a n00b when you don't even fucking understand what is going on.
Look around dumbass, the only thing this program does is read from the FDS INDIRECTLY GOING THOUGH 10 differnt things.
The functionality of this app only needs 1 thing: FDS Server, it doens't need br.net, it doesn't irc server, it doesn't need mirc. But Snipesmo not knowing anything made it go though a hoopla of bullshit to accomplish this.
All this is renrem 32 basically but bloated 10 ways and requreing 10 differnt things.
Your a fool to even try to rationalize this :rolleyes:
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73349] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 20:52 |
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Whitedragon
Messages: 832
Registered: February 2003
Location: California
Karma: 1
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Since its a script to be ran on the mods/admins comps, NOT the server it does need BR or some other admin tool to relay it the FDS log. I dont see how you're relating this to renrem32.net when all it is is a renrem.exe replacement while this is a mIRC script to give the end user a GUI like BR's.
Black-Cell.net
Network Administrator (2003 - )
DragonServ, Renegade's first IRC interface bot
Creator and lead coder (2002 - )
Dragonade, Renegade's first server side modification
Lead coder (2005 - )
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| RenMonitor [message #73350] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 20:57 |
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ssptweek
Messages: 81
Registered: February 2004
Karma: 0
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I just looked around. Here is what i saw. You want to call me a n00b. Ha
How many double post's are in this topic alone? n00b.
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You dare call me a n00b when you don't even fucking understand what is going on.
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I think i know what is going on. Jealous? n00b.
Your an ass, except for when you need FDS serials. yup, a n00b.
Can you create a real website, "Mr. Badass" oppss silly me, n00b.
Shall we even start on your forums? Nah, let me try being nice, n00b.
How many people hate you here? Everybody. That makes you a n00b.
What does your name stand for? HaHa, n00b.
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Some people don't like exposing the RenRem port to the internet, there is at least one good reason not to do this
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Do you know that reason? I didn't think so, n00b.
I can think of a ton of things that I bet you want for your server. [Map Rules] [Poll Commands] just to name a few. All of which i have written in mIRC. Oh what scripting is going through 20 billion different "things" to be read, but I have things you want, n00b.
You still haven't answered my question,n00b.
Let's think about this, who is the fool?
Thanks for shopping, have a good day. Goodbye.
No get you lil bitch ass out of here, n00b.
As we all can see, you have yet to proven shit, or even code shit. So why are you talking shit? Answer: Your a n00b.
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| RenMonitor [message #73352] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 21:25 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
Karma: 0
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General (1 Star)
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A n00b is somone who joins a game and does stupid crap. The fact of the matter is I can kick your ass in renegade, and I don't do stupid stuff while playing so sadly I'm not a n00b.
You dumb goat fucker.
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73354] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 21:31 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
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General (1 Star)
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| Whitedragon |
Since its a script to be ran on the mods/admins comps, NOT the server it does need BR or some other admin tool to relay it the FDS log. I dont see how you're relating this to renrem32.net when all it is is a renrem.exe replacement while this is a mIRC script to give the end user a GUI like BR's.
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You don't get the point.
What is the purpose features of this application?
It only has commands found in renrem. Any other thing on the app can be done in game with bots already out.
Why would you bother to make a app that has to be run in irc, using mirc, and on top of that, using br.net. When all of the functionality can be there by making an application that communicates directly with FDS.
2nd of all, the renrem port argument is completely flawed. ANY RENEGADE MODERATING BOT USES the remote admin part of the FDS to communicate with it, so your always going to have that port open :rolleyes: The so called server owners that manage to run a server with remote admin dissabled are full of shit, just like ssptweek & snipesmo.
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73355] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 21:35 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
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| ssptweek |
All that matters is, your a little bitch, you can't anwser questions (to affraid to contradict yourself) Your a pussy, Im sure you will say you can kick my ass in anything, which is fine. Your the one looking like the bitch.
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I answered all your questions stupid bastad. This app is useless poorly constructed, and complete waste of time. Anyone even co nsidering using it should be slapped acroos the face 1000 times.
I'm bring out the huge flaws on this completley retarded application which no one will use, and when the ask snipesmo he will try to answer the question by making some retarded 12 hours restart script :rolleyes:
Your so fucking stupid its not funny. Have you even ever used renrem thats included with renegade? That doesn't needs Br.net or irc fuckhead. :rolleyes:
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73359] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 21:50 |
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ssptweek
Messages: 81
Registered: February 2004
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and are u watching the game through a script?? just curious. If you do...well than dumbass....
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You can't read? How do you know it is poorly constructed? Have you seen the coding, or seen the app? Wait can you even understand the coding?
As far as snip making a 12 hour restart script, he was fixing a bug in BR. Snip didn't write BR, it wasn't even snipe's problem, but he made a patch.
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Your so fucking stupid its not funny. Have you even ever used renrem thats included with renegade? That doesn't needs Br.net or irc fuckhead.
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Yeah im stupid, how bout you stop for a second, take a deep breathe, go and read some info, learn what the fuck you are talking about, then come back, and try to make some fucking sense. Yes I have used renrem, but why go through all that trouble with typing in a pass and so on when all i need to do is type !ban Alkaline in IRC. Yup, your a real smart one.
But what the fuck ever. Snipe, sorry i ruined your post, good luck on your script, and i LOOK forward to taking a look at the coding.
Alk go fuck a rabbit you bitch.
I'm out.
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| RenMonitor [message #73363] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 22:26 |
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gibberish
Messages: 366
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| Alkaline |
2nd of all, the renrem port argument is completely flawed. ANY RENEGADE MODERATING BOT USES the remote admin part of the FDS to communicate with it, so your always going to have that port open :rolleyes: The so called server owners that manage to run a server with remote admin dissabled are full of shit, just like ssptweek & snipesmo.
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Alkaline you may want to stop rolling your eyes and read my post before trying to contradict it next time.
I didn't say anything about disabling remote administration I simply said not to expose the port to the internet. In other words you should run the regulator and the game behind a firewall that blocks access to the renrem port from the internet.
Additionally I thought White Dragon’s point was particularly valid, there are certain events such as vehicle purchases which can not be detected via the RenRem protocol, additionally not having a server side app that can detect events as they happen means that the remote client has to keep polling for information such as when a new player joins, this is an inefficient use of bandwidth, hence Snipesimo actually has a better design than the one you are proposing.
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| RenMonitor [message #73364] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 22:30 |
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Whitedragon
Messages: 832
Registered: February 2003
Location: California
Karma: 1
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| Alkaline |
| Whitedragon |
Since its a script to be ran on the mods/admins comps, NOT the server it does need BR or some other admin tool to relay it the FDS log. I dont see how you're relating this to renrem32.net when all it is is a renrem.exe replacement while this is a mIRC script to give the end user a GUI like BR's.
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You don't get the point.
What is the purpose features of this application?
It only has commands found in renrem. Any other thing on the app can be done in game with bots already out.
Why would you bother to make a app that has to be run in irc, using mirc, and on top of that, using br.net. When all of the functionality can be there by making an application that communicates directly with FDS.
2nd of all, the renrem port argument is completely flawed. ANY RENEGADE MODERATING BOT USES the remote admin part of the FDS to communicate with it, so your always going to have that port open :rolleyes: The so called server owners that manage to run a server with remote admin dissabled are full of shit, just like ssptweek & snipesmo.
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Its purpose is to provide mods with an easy to read GUI similar to BR's.
Your "but you have to use mIRC to run this script!!" arguement is seriously flawed, i'd say 3/4 of the people that host servers now use IRC and mIRC. Hell, most people would take this being a mIRC script as a good thing since they dont have to start another app.
All mod bots use renrem? Dragonserv doesnt use renrem, winrem, or any native renrem code thanks to vloktboky and mac.
Yes he could use renrem or renrem32 or some other shit to talk to the FDS, but i doubt most server owners give all their mods renrem access when they have BR or BrenBot running.
Black-Cell.net
Network Administrator (2003 - )
DragonServ, Renegade's first IRC interface bot
Creator and lead coder (2002 - )
Dragonade, Renegade's first server side modification
Lead coder (2005 - )
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| RenMonitor [message #73397] |
Tue, 23 March 2004 09:08 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
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General (1 Star)
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I never said all bots use renrem, I said all bots use remote admininistration. Please look before you post.
You can detect vehicle purchases by loging into the server, the renrem application just doesn't display this information, but any application using native renrem connectivity can.
RENREM IS NOT A PROTOCAL, do not make stuff up if you are not sure what the word means :rolleyes: As for bandwidth consumption, lol.. you think running an IRC server uses less bandwidth that communicatind directly with FDS? Please I used to give you some credit, but now you're just being stupid.
Wheater a person uses mirc or not is the question, for this application to work you have to install it. I run 5 servers, I certainly do not use IRC to administer my servers, don't make statistics out of your ass such as "3/4" of all server owners :rolleyes:
As for sspteawk, ya stay the fuck out before I pound you in the ground further Jackass. You just proved my point, if your are going to use !ban XXX then your using the ingame bot, not snipes POS now are ya? And if you are going to be doing administration outside the game then you'll have to start mirc and this crappy program.
ALso, please stop with the renrem port crap. IRC servers pose a 1000x greater risk. WHY DO YOU THINK MANY HOST STRIAGHT OUT SAY NO IRC SERVRERS including ServerMatrix? You mean to tell me you rather run the risk of running an IRC server or joining an IRC server than leaving the renrem port open? Ya ok real smart, the whole damn world knows what IRC's port is, but only server runners know what the renrem port is :rolleyes:
Keep the retarded posts coming, I'm amused at the stupid logic you Jug Heads are coming up with.
This is the bottom fucking line:
- Everything this retarded app does can be done by using Renrem 32 by Dj or the One released by Dante. Or by using the included renrem app with renegade.
- communication is direcly to the server with current solutions, it does not require any irc server or mirc on the client
- Majority of the people will have no use for this as people will use built in commands for game bots such as brenbot or br.net .
- This appplication takes a retarded and unneed approach to accomplish a task which is not effcient, poses huge security risks, and will probably take 10x as much cpu time and resources when compared to a direct solution.
- The only thing that "MUST HAVE" this app is the recycle bin. :rolleyes:
http://www.UNRules.com
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| RenMonitor [message #73399] |
Tue, 23 March 2004 09:21 |
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Dante
Messages: 1039
Registered: February 2003
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what happens when a server admin wishes to not give out the remote admin information to his mods?
RenRem32 .Net was made by me, a .Net clone of DJLapTop's RenRem32 (under permission). Then released Open Source for people to use freely.
Steve Tall made the FDSTalk.dll, not RenRem32 or RenRem32.Net.
Now, with all that said.
If a server admin doesn't want to give out his remote admin information to his moderators, uses BR.Net, and the users have a fragile memory or a bad case of CRS, then this would be a nifty app.
btw, snipesimo is the official tech support weenie for BR.Net, has been for a while, and knows more about it then anyone without source code.
RenEvo
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| RenMonitor [message #73400] |
Tue, 23 March 2004 09:26 |
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Dante
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another note, about Win32 Winsock coding, and connecting to servers...
when a computer connects to a remote port, say the standard IRC port 6667, it will use a random open local port for connecting, unless specified by the application. BR.Net uses a completely random local port to connect to the IRC servers, so in all technicality, there is no way for you to know what port that was, as it is different each time you connect. And you would have to do a simple netstat to find out.
Also, most hosts don't do IRC not because of security issues, but for BW issues and people running DCC bots.
RenEvo
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| RenMonitor [message #73401] |
Tue, 23 March 2004 09:42 |
Alkaline
Messages: 1132
Registered: November 2003
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You can design the application so that it gets permissions from the host. You could host a simple config.xml file on the game server's webserver where the clients application would get rights and the app would enable on the commands a person has access to.
As for IRC. I use a host (same as Crimson & renwarz & black-cell) that does not allow IRC servers because of security problems. They allocate 1000 GB per month to you and you have a dedicated server. YOu are free to use your server anyway you want to. However, they ban IRC because it posses a risk to there network. I don't know how because i'm not an IRC guru 
As for winsock programming, yes I know there are 65K random local ports a machine uses to connect, but if you are hosting an IRC server, you do leave the IRC port open to the public.
http://www.UNRules.com
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