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argathol3
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Conclusion #2)
The question was whos the best player in Renegade not who's the best player in a clanwar.
.CC players struggle in servers like
marathon because it requires a lot of teamwork on maps like Field, Hourglass(GDI), and Mesa?...because if the wf or barracks goes down you see regular .cc players disappear promptly.
Regular players struggle in .cc games because the dynamic of Renegade is dwindled to a shadow of its former self albeit better, competitive, or more fun.
Maybe everyone would have better luck in distinguishing the two styles and making a "whos the best" in both categories and not basing a .cc match to a 12 hour (or even 30 minute) game because that's a bit egotistical and even borderline stupid on both ends (.cc or not)
By the way I own you in pub sniping(wouldn't want to stray from the awesome flame style that establishes this topic)
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439402 is a reply to message #439171] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 10:15 |
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What's the difference between being good at Ren in general and good at clanwars?
Also, inb4 "Heated Arguments and Debates" move, it's earned it.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439403 is a reply to message #439401] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 10:16 |
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HaTe
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argh speaks the truth^.
Renegade is more than just pub games or just private games....it's both. You need to be good with noobs on your team and against, along with being good with pro's in game, to be called the best.
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ - Edmund Burke
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439408 is a reply to message #439381] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 10:28 |
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| argathol3 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 11:33 |
| Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 10:47 |
One thing I learned is that there is always someone out there who can turn you inside out and make you feel like a piece of shit. So I grew out of the habit of claiming anything for myself.
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WOW...this has been the only thing worth reading in all the years I've been playing Renegade. Thank you for typing this....this should be the fucking Golden Rule of ReneEgo.
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thanks! I definitely think so.
However, I also think that not everyone can adopt my same attitude; that would make me a communistic libtard that believes everyone is equal and people shouldn't be rewarded for their skillsets.
I do think that the absolutes in the game are few: there has got to be 1 very good player. There has got to be 1 very good sniper. There has got to be 1 very good pilot. There has got to 1 very good SBH-hunter, etc etc so on and on. Of course you can have doubles. So when someone does claim to be so, then they are simply opening themselves up to great scrutiny. In that sense we can beat this topic to the death to find out since this is quiet a small community and everyone pretty much knows everyone else.
So for example, when HaTe says he is the best sniper. PERIOD. Then my question is are you good at tunnels (he is and I have seen it), are you good at long range sniping (I honestly don't know), are you a good sniper in a AOW environment? (I don't know about that and I doubt). So there you go, those are the questions that pop up.
In that case i0n seems more of a complete sniper; though I have not seen him play, I can believe what is said about him.
inb4 HaTe lollol 
anyway, the most complete player who is very decent in all the categories should be known as the best player. This way, I think we won't have to deal with the issue of being good only in CW-style vs timed 30 mintute AOW game with bigger teams.
| Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 10:33 |
You bitched about 0x90 being trusted and I agreed with you however I said if he was to be trusted he could benefit the team whereas anyone could do you 'job' and comment on gameplay balance.
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I diagree mate. There is no way I will believe just "anyone" can do Spoony's job in TT and comment on gameplay balance. The guy knows the game inside out, smart at maths, very articulate and is no fool. If anyone wants to compete with that or try to take his position in TT, then I can honestly say that such a person has not made an effort to do so and reveal their talents to the rest of the community (in the way Spoony has done by openly demonstrating his understanding of the game countless times).
| Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 06:07 |
Be honest now, it was kinda longer then 10secs, ok fine it wasn't exactly 10mins but still you was told multiple times and you just carried on. It was a mistake which happens, therefore that game you wasn't the best rene player.
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I don't think a 10 sec lapse in judgment outright disqualifies a person from being the best rene player in 1 game! He did kill HON and OB which automatically makes him so.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439413 is a reply to message #439400] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 10:43 |
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Yeah I do think you was being a dick towards him, you're like it to everyone. Do tell me why wont you let this drop? You dont have to admit you was wrong or right. You can't, you need to be #1.
You can try and be clever all you want with your wording, you know exactly what im talking about. You undermine people, I have a feeling you're a clever person in general however with it comes the attitude.
Ok, fine do it your way. You never said you was better at everything. However you'd like to think so. Why is it you're taking offense so much to what someone is saying about you on the internets. Why is it you can't just go.. You know what that Caveman is a lying dick and just leave it?
No you didnt say anything negatively about my gameplay however you didnt say anything positive yet you think I should because you killed a few buildings. Praise and approval is a two way street you know.
Me saving e-face, do me a favor, I have nothing to save it from and you can quote me all you like. I stand by what I believe which is you're difficult to reason with and with that brings attitude people dont like. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has told you this before.
Im sure someone like Seye could do the gameplay balance just as fine as you. I see no reason why he wouldn't. Im sure a lot of people could. Do I really have to go around naming names?
I never said whoring was a bad thing, its just what you did for the most part of the game. I just think you could have prehaps did something a little more productive like get an ion and ion the strip while I covered. Saved on unnecessary points for Nod. Surely you can see the logic in that? After all you're one of the best renegaders (There is that better?)
The only points you made in that thread was 0x90 couldn't be trusted, which I agreed with. You also said shit about EWD, I had no idea what the beef was between you both but all I wanted to point out that 0x90 would help TT whereas someone of your skills could easily be replaced. I also said I meant no offense by that, I was just stating fact.
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Word this however you want, bottom line - Im tired of these long ass debates, I actually have things to do. I don't personally have a problem with YOU sponny, its just your attitude.
I think a lot of people have a problem with your attitude, kinda remind me of troop.
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If you gonna reply to this with a long ass quote and whatnot, save your time - I can't be bothered, really, in one ear out the other.
You was right spoony, I was wrong, im lier etc.. etc..
Screenshot, do whatever.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439416 is a reply to message #439413] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 10:53 |
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If i had a computer that could hold a 60+ fps during aow or mara, i would be able to prove my sniping skills to you^. Fact is that i don't have a good enough computer, so my fps is 20-40 in bigger games, which impacts my sniping a lot. In games where my fps is good, i honestly think that I am the best sniper still around, merely because I do it so much, and know how to do it well. That's the only reason i think that 1v1's are important for sniping, because then lag isn't a huge factor, as it is in aow or mara games. I0n is good in mara and aow, because he has a high fps, and is good at hitting people who move very predictable. That's fine and all, but it's hard to establish who's better based on who can kill more noobs....I prefer a 1v1 because there's no other variables involved....it's all or nothing.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439417 is a reply to message #439416] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 10:58 |
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| HaTe wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 11:53 |
If i had a computer that could hold a 60+ fps during aow or mara, i would be able to prove my sniping skills to you^. Fact is that i don't have a good enough computer, so my fps is 20-40 in bigger games, which impacts my sniping a lot. In games where my fps is good, i honestly think that I am the best sniper still around, merely because I do it so much, and know how to do it well. That's the only reason i think that 1v1's are important for sniping, because then lag isn't a huge factor, as it is in aow or mara games. I0n is good in mara and aow, because he has a high fps, and is good at hitting people who move very predictable. That's fine and all, but it's hard to establish who's better based on who can kill more noobs....I prefer a 1v1 because there's no other variables involved....it's all or nothing.
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that's very fair then. cheers! I do hope you get a better computer cos you do deserve it. hell, I know my early days of ren on a laptop and know how much difference my new comp made when I got it just for Ren. 
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439419 is a reply to message #439413] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 11:52 |
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| Caveman wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 11:43 |
Yeah I do think you was being a dick towards him, you're like it to everyone.
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no, i don't talk to everyone the way i spoke to EWD, because very few people have done things as extraordinarily pathetic as the way EWD recently behaved.
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Do tell me why wont you let this drop?
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let what drop? you're the one came in and started flaming me, like you did in the server owner forum. then you got caught lying a whole bunch of times, but you're still desperately trying to act like i'm the bad guy here. jeez
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You dont have to admit you was wrong or right. You can't, you need to be #1.
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at what, exactly?
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You can try and be clever all you want with your wording, you know exactly what im talking about. You undermine people, I have a feeling you're a clever person in general however with it comes the attitude.
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like i said, you still haven't demonstrated that there's anything wrong with what i've said, whereas YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING SEVERAL TIMES
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Ok, fine do it your way. You never said you was better at everything. However you'd like to think so.
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making idiotic guesses about what i think is better than lying about what i said, so you've made a minor improvement there.
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Why is it you're taking offense so much to what someone is saying about you on the internets. Why is it you can't just go.. You know what that Caveman is a lying dick and just leave it?
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why are you still posting? nothing i've said has been refuted by anybody. quite a lot of what you've said has turned out to be nonsense and a lot more has turned out to be bald-faced lies. why are you still here?
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No you didnt say anything negatively about my gameplay however you didnt say anything positive yet you think I should because you killed a few buildings. Praise and approval is a two way street you know.
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your contribution to the team never really seemed to be the thing under debate.
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Me saving e-face, do me a favor, I have nothing to save it from and you can quote me all you like. I stand by what I believe which is you're difficult to reason with and with that brings attitude people dont like. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has told you this before.
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you're certainly not the only person who's behaved so pathetically out of anger at losing an e-argument, as i've noted.
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Im sure someone like Seye could do the gameplay balance just as fine as you. I see no reason why he wouldn't. Im sure a lot of people could. Do I really have to go around naming names?
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yes. there's the question i asked in the server owner forum: who understands this game's strategy and balance, in both small clanwar-style games and large publicserver-style games? stealtheye's grasp of clanwar-style games doesn't come close to mine, i can tell you that... with no undue disrespect to the guy.
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I never said whoring was a bad thing, its just what you did for the most part of the game.
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do you want to explain exactly what "whoring" is? you seem to like the word, perhaps you can define it.
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I just think you could have prehaps did something a little more productive like get an ion and ion the strip while I covered. Saved on unnecessary points for Nod. Surely you can see the logic in that? After all you're one of the best renegaders (There is that better?)
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we won by basekill, convincingly. why are you telling me that i should have done something differently, when we won so convincingly and when i was clearly the biggest contributor to the victory?
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The only points you made in that thread was 0x90 couldn't be trusted, which I agreed with. You also said shit about EWD, I had no idea what the beef was between you both but all I wanted to point out that 0x90 would help TT whereas someone of your skills could easily be replaced. I also said I meant no offense by that, I was just stating fact.
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facts that were plainly wrong. who has more experience in managing successful renegade ladders? nobody, not even westwood (in fact their ladders were positively crap). your only response to this was that you personally don't care about the ladder. fine, but that doesn't go anywhere near the point that the game really should have one.
secondly, you still haven't shown who'd be as good at the balance consultation job. "easily replaced"? the only person i can think of who would come anywhere near my competence for the job is whiskey.
as for "0x90 would help TT", maybe if he wasn't 0x90.
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Word this however you want, bottom line - Im tired of these long ass debates, I actually have things to do.
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i doubt that, cos you've spent an awful lot of time trying to win this e-debate. it obviously means a lot to you, given the level of dishonesty to which you've stooped.
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If you gonna reply to this with a long ass quote and whatnot, save your time - I can't be bothered, really, in one ear out the other.
You was right spoony, I was wrong, im lier etc.. etc..
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it's a shame you're probably sarcastic. anyone reading this thread can see you've been conclusively caught lying several times.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439420 is a reply to message #439407] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 12:38 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 11:28 |
Clanwar players don't struggle in publics... we rape. We don't struggle with teamwork lol, thats our speciality.
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Clanwar players generally ragequit and blame their team when even one building dies. There's the exceptions of you, spoony, kill, and a few others, but generally speaking, I'd almost rather not have a clanwars player on my team, as it turns out to rage and quit...unless it's with certain players who don't get emotionally attached to the game that much. I know Spoony gets mad when his team sucks, but at least he generally plays it out. A great example of what I mean is Karmai.....he quits mid game more than any other player i have EVER seen.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439427 is a reply to message #439171] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 13:16 |
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I prefer a 1v1 because there's no other variables involved....it's all or nothing.
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im sorry to be so blunt but if u think thats all sniping is ur nowhere near no1 sniper. numba 1 tunnel hugger sure, but thats a title noone should be proud of.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439440 is a reply to message #439407] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 17:11 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 17:28 |
Clanwar players don't struggle in publics... we rape. We don't struggle with teamwork lol, thats our speciality.
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clanwar players struggle not to team hamper and use *cheat name removed*in public servers
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #439441 is a reply to message #439438] |
Sat, 13 November 2010 17:21 |
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| Xpert wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 16:46 |
HaTe, big ego much ;|
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Only when noobs claim their better  . Always been that way, and will always be that way. It's sort of degrading, really.
I can actually hug pretty decently, i just prefer not to. If someone is hugging me, i prefer to rush them, rather than sit back and have a 1v1 hug war. I prefer games more than 1v1 snipe, which is why i'm always in public sniper servers. I'm planning on making a video of some of my sniping, if anyone's interested.
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