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As for someone who played beta for month, i would like to say its its most epic RTS game so far. I love new league system that allows everyone to play SC2, 5 placement matches throw you into one of four different leagues.Diamond,Gold,Silver,Bronze. Game feels easier compared to SC1, however it feels much more enjoyable.
I've been firstly in bronze then gone into silver at top 12.
I'm so impressed with graphics, light effect, shining units,maps, etc. Blizzard done their best with unit design, i love new units and the old ones that have been changed. I thought blizzard would ran out of ideas but they didn't. Every race has something new to offer, although they didn't change core and brought back iconic units like marine,zealot,zergling and more. There are also few new buildings.
Gameplay is much more polished, units have better AI, mechanics improved.Both Micro and Macro plays high role here, however macro is much more important. Units have fairly balanced new abilities that makes game deeper. Harassment is pretty much viable in SC2, its even better with new units like Banshee,Stalker,Baneling/Roach Drop, etc. Im a bit disappointed with few BO"s for every factions, this might evolve sometime.
Audio Music , i have to say..never heard such a beautiful music like terran themes especially, every faction have music that does fit. Explosions,guass rifle sounds, mutalisk scream, hydralisk,missles sounds awesome and realistic. Who doesn't love siege tank sound or carrier has arrived?
Balance is good, there are no imbalances atm, game is very playable with no bugs expect some minor.
Most loved faction? Okay Terran, can't stand lovely Thors,Siege Tanks,Marines,Ghosts and music 
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431102 is a reply to message #431065] |
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I'd just like to say that if you're a Bronze Leaguer, your opinions on balance or BOs or harassment or difficulty don't count for much. And just so you don't grow some unwarranted self importance, you were top 12 in your division of like 50 people, not top 12 in all of the Silver League. That said, if putting "Hurp Durp Division, Silver League: 12" next to your name gave you some confidence and made you feel like you could succeed at the game, the division system did its job.
As for the article that was linked, half of what's written is sensationalist bullshit. It's a shame that people who don't follow StarCraft II close enough (Or even though that do but are looking for something to bitch about) will grab their pitchforks anyway.
EDIT: In other news, Hydralisks are now snazzy dancers, in addition to ruthless killing machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431208 is a reply to message #431102] |
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| Dover wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 17:14 |
I'd just like to say that if you're a Bronze Leaguer, your opinions on balance or BOs or harassment or difficulty don't count for much. And just so you don't grow some unwarranted self importance, you were top 12 in your division of like 50 people, not top 12 in all of the Silver League. That said, if putting "Hurp Durp Division, Silver League: 12" next to your name gave you some confidence and made you feel like you could succeed at the game, the division system did its job.
As for the article that was linked, half of what's written is sensationalist bullshit. It's a shame that people who don't follow StarCraft II close enough (Or even though that do but are looking for something to bitch about) will grab their pitchforks anyway.
EDIT: In other news, Hydralisks are now snazzy dancers, in addition to ruthless killing machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0
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I didn't said i feel successful at this game, just wanted to share placement. I hadn't plyed starcraft in two years, i've just back into it, into SC2.
Im looking forward for opinions of beta
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431210 is a reply to message #431102] |
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| Dover wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 17:14 |
I'd just like to say that if you're a Bronze Leaguer, your opinions on balance or BOs or harassment or difficulty don't count for much. And just so you don't grow some unwarranted self importance, you were top 12 in your division of like 50 people, not top 12 in all of the Silver League. That said, if putting "Hurp Durp Division, Silver League: 12" next to your name gave you some confidence and made you feel like you could succeed at the game, the division system did its job.
As for the article that was linked, half of what's written is sensationalist bullshit. It's a shame that people who don't follow StarCraft II close enough (Or even though that do but are looking for something to bitch about) will grab their pitchforks anyway.
EDIT: In other news, Hydralisks are now snazzy dancers, in addition to ruthless killing machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0
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I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW BLIZZARD OVERLORDS
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431230 is a reply to message #431208] |
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| FACEBUTT wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 03:36 |
| Dover wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 17:14 |
I'd just like to say that if you're a Bronze Leaguer, your opinions on balance or BOs or harassment or difficulty don't count for much. And just so you don't grow some unwarranted self importance, you were top 12 in your division of like 50 people, not top 12 in all of the Silver League. That said, if putting "Hurp Durp Division, Silver League: 12" next to your name gave you some confidence and made you feel like you could succeed at the game, the division system did its job.
As for the article that was linked, half of what's written is sensationalist bullshit. It's a shame that people who don't follow StarCraft II close enough (Or even though that do but are looking for something to bitch about) will grab their pitchforks anyway.
EDIT: In other news, Hydralisks are now snazzy dancers, in addition to ruthless killing machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0
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I didn't said i feel successful at this game, just wanted to share placement. I hadn't plyed starcraft in two years, i've just back into it, into SC2.
Im looking forward for opinions of beta
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If you were a D player in StarCraft 1, no matter how long ago that was, there's no excuse for placing anything lower that Platinum League. If you were D+ or above, there's no excuse for placing lower than Diamond League. The majority of the playerbase is so hilariously awful at the game (At this point in time, of course) that it's pretty hard to do otherwise.
And you should feel sucessful! You're 12th in your 50-60 man division! That's an accomplishment! Good for you!
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 06:07 |
I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW BLIZZARD OVERSEERS
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You should welcome them. They're better than:
-The game being managed by a greedy semi-outlaw monopolistic "ruling body", like KeSPA in StarCraft 1's case
-A company that only looks to push out the next product in a series, like EA in C&C's case
-ABSOLUTELY NOBODY, like in Renegade's case
Think about it. If you limit yourself to video game companies (to exclude obvious answers like Microsoft and Google), what company has a track record of post-release support better than Blizzard's? Those facts are strong enough to remain persistent throughout your ridiculous "big brother is out to get you" scare tactics.
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431261 is a reply to message #431259] |
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| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 03:37 |
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Those facts are strong enough to remain persistent throughout your ridiculous "big brother is out to get you" scare tactics.
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Yeah, not including a LAN modus for some bullshit reason is totally Big Brother-esque. What?
Honestly, can you even read or did you just look at the pretty pictures in the link?
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I've read that article even before you linked it, and I'm intimately familiar with the TeamLiqiud community where the loudest tears are being shed. The big brother remark refers to your "BLIZZARD OVERSEERS" bullshit. I can completely understand the reasoning behind taking LAN away. It keeps bullshit like the KeSPA debacle from happening and prevents work-around methods like Garena or Hamachi from allowing hundreds of thousands of people to play DotA in countries that don't give two shits about US copywrite laws like Russia or Malaysia or Thailand. Really, the reasons from taking them away are a lot more compelling than the reasons for keeping it (Which amount to the wide-eyed recollections of a few nerds about that totally sweet LAN party they went to a decade ago).
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 03:37 |
Do you even know any gamecompanies beside EA and Blizzard that you honestly consider SCII the shining paragon of Onlinefunctionality/userfriendliness/userrights etc.?
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I take it you're taking me up on my challenge, then? Name one game company that does a better job than Blizzard at supporting their games post-launch. And no, SCII isn't the shining paragon of anything, but considering the game hasn't even launched yet, it's doing more than acceptably well. Certainly not enough to warrent the epic bitching taking place on the subject.
Read that article too. He makes it very clear why he can't root for KeSPA (Although he conviently leaves out the scandal a few years ago where they tried to sell broadcast rights that they didn't have to OGN/MBCGame, or how they used their clout to run the GOM league out of business to keep competators out, or their horrible mishandling of the match fixing incidents which were known to them. The list goes on and on), but sort of glosses over why he Blizzard can't do a better job, citing only some issues that nobody but WarCraft III players (All eight of them) care about.
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431267 is a reply to message #431265] |
Wed, 23 June 2010 05:14 |
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Overseers =/= Overlords. You can't expect people to know what meme you're mis-quoting if you're mis-quoting it.
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 04:24 |
replying as soon as I find the definition of an elitist...
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I hope the definition will tell you that it changes nothing and doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. I also like how you dodged everything of consequence I wrote -- That was really cute too.
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 04:24 |
Massive Entertainment (until the new insect overlords arrived, that is 
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From Massive Entertainment's website, I can see to date they've released three games, and one is just a sequel to another. It's hardly appropriate to compare Blizzard to a company who's accomplishments Blizzard matched in 1993 with Rock N' Roll Racing.
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 04:24 |
They can support their games post-launch as much as they want to, its completely irrelevant to the discussion.
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Dohohoho, the guy who just tried to sidetrack the conversation with accusations of elitism is now preaching about relevancy to the discussion. Dohohoho.
It's very relevant. The articles you linked imply that Blizzard somehow mishandles their games, is only looking for a short-term buck, and that is petty issues like "chat channels" aren't fixed in SC2 by launch, they'll never get done, ever. Blizzard's history suggests the opposite is true on all counts.
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431269 is a reply to message #431267] |
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 07:14 |
Overseers =/= Overlords. You can't expect people to know what meme you're mis-quoting if you're mis-quoting it.
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Good thing I didnt write overseers then, as far as I remember.
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replying as soon as I find the definition of an elitist...
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I hope the definition will tell you that it changes nothing and doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. I also like how you dodged everything of consequence I wrote -- That was really cute too.
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Yeah, declaring that WacraftIII only had 8 players is totally not stupid.
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but sort of glosses over why he Blizzard can't do a better job
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Maybe they can. If they can't, you're fucked. If that doesnt seem wrong to you, what will?
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| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 04:24 |
Massive Entertainment (until the new insect overlords arrived, that is
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From Massive Entertainment's website, I can see to date they've released three games, and one is just a sequel to another. It's hardly appropriate to compare Blizzard to a company who's accomplishments Blizzard matched in 1993 with Rock N' Roll Racing.
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So the fact that Massive Entertainment had LESS resources to continue supporting WiC after releasing it and still did an awesome job is your reason why this example isnt true. interesting. I havent been all that active in the onlinegaming department, so forgive me for not including tons and tons of examples.
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It's very relevant. The articles you linked imply that Blizzard somehow mishandles their games, is only looking for a short-term buck, and that is petty issues like "chat channels" aren't fixed in SC2 by launch, they'll never get done, ever. Blizzard's history suggests the opposite is true on all counts.
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Right, i'll buy the game as soon as they patch LAN modus and chat into the game and they remove the region-lock. Maybe.
Its possible I edited the overlord in, but im pretty sure I did so before you posted. Did you copy the quote from whoever quoted me maybe?
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 06:05 |
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don't make me post your picture.
Also, SCII is cool, yeah, but shit dude, it's not the shining pinnacle of achievement in the gaming industry you make it out to be. It's a solid game, but it's nothing special- it's just SC1 but updated graphics, and some other small changes. That's not bad at all, but it's not the greatest damn thing ever. Stop getting your panties wet.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431306 is a reply to message #431272] |
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| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 05:38 |
Good thing I didnt write overseers then, as far as I remember.
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No, you're right. I saw that on the guy below you who appears to have changed your quote. My bad, I should have paid closer attention and caught that. :S
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 05:38 |
Yeah, declaring that WacraftIII only had 8 players is totally not stupid.
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You're doing it again.
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 05:38 |
Maybe they can. If they can't, you're fucked. If that doesnt seem wrong to you, what will?
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Hasn't that always been the case? With every game? Ever? That seems perfectly right to me.
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 05:38 |
So the fact that Massive Entertainment had LESS resources to continue supporting WiC after releasing it and still did an awesome job is your reason why this example isnt true.
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Less resources than Blizzard in 1993 after Rock N' Roll Racing? Before WarCraft 1: Orcs & Humans? I doubt that.
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 05:38 |
interesting. I havent been all that active in the onlinegaming department, so forgive me for not including tons and tons of examples.
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I accept your surrender and apology, in that case. How am I supposed to respond to that? You're basically saying "Excuse me, I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about", to which the proper response would be "Then shut the fuck up."
| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 05:38 |
Right, i'll buy the game as soon as they patch LAN modus and chat into the game and they remove the region-lock. Maybe.
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- You're not getting LAN. LAN enables piracy. LAN enables KeSPA and KeSPA-wannabes to hijack the game. If the law was perfect everwhere on Earth and these weren't issues Blizzard had to concern themselves with, LAN would be a trivia matter. But they aren't, so it isn't. You're not getting LAN.
- Chat is already in the game. People just want the old Battle.net 1.0 style chat. Which is retarded because it's just an IRC port without the many things that make IRC great and with plenty of spam added. All along Blizzard has been saying "Hang tight, old chat channels suck, we're coming up with something better". And people have just continued bitching about how it's marginally harder to use a gaming platform as a chat room. Chat is here and/or confirmed to be coming, depending on how you define it.
-Region-Lock is also on their confirmed list of things to work out.
Then again, why should I care if you buy it or not. Don't buy it. I don't give a fuck. Keep playing WiC, I'll be busy enjoying the RTS game of the decade.
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 06:05 |
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don't make me post your picture.
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lol, dgaf
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 07:54 |
Also, SCII is cool, yeah, but shit dude, it's not the shining pinnacle of achievement in the gaming industry you make it out to be. It's a solid game, but it's nothing special- it's just SC1 but updated graphics, and some other small changes. That's not bad at all, but it's not the greatest damn thing ever. Stop getting your panties wet.
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Considering SC1 was (still is) the shining pinnacle of RTS achievement in the gaming industry, having SC2 being "just" SC1 with updated graphics and small changes seems pretty reasonable to me.
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431377 is a reply to message #431230] |
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[quote title=Dover wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 19:39]| FACEBUTT wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 03:36 |
| Dover wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 17:14 |
I'd just like to say that if you're a Bronze Leaguer, your opinions on balance or BOs or harassment or difficulty don't count for much. And just so you don't grow some unwarranted self importance, you were top 12 in your division of like 50 people, not top 12 in all of the Silver League. That said, if putting "Hurp Durp Division, Silver League: 12" next to your name gave you some confidence and made you feel like you could succeed at the game, the division system did its job.
As for the article that was linked, half of what's written is sensationalist bullshit. It's a shame that people who don't follow StarCraft II close enough (Or even though that do but are looking for something to bitch about) will grab their pitchforks anyway.
EDIT: In other news, Hydralisks are now snazzy dancers, in addition to ruthless killing machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0
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I didn't said i feel successful at this game, just wanted to share placement. I hadn't plyed starcraft in two years, i've just back into it, into SC2.
Im looking forward for opinions of beta
If you were a D player in StarCraft 1, no matter how long ago that was, there's no excuse for placing anything lower that Platinum League. If you were D+ or above, there's no excuse for placing lower than Diamond League. The majority of the playerbase is so hilariously awful at the game (At this point in time, of course) that it's pretty hard to do otherwise.
And you should feel sucessful! You're 12th in your 50-60 man division! That's an accomplishment! Good for you!
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Never were in any Iccup etc, never got ranked so far anywhere. Just wanted to say where i am, not to scream o guys im so high. People in leagues are pretty random same with match system, random people. Im casual at SC2, which means noob even big. There are only few good players, rest is hyping.
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| Re: Starcraft 2 Beta Wings of Liberty. [message #431383 is a reply to message #431377] |
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[quote title=FACEBUTT wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 03:20]| Dover wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 19:39 |
| FACEBUTT wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 03:36 |
| Dover wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 17:14 |
I'd just like to say that if you're a Bronze Leaguer, your opinions on balance or BOs or harassment or difficulty don't count for much. And just so you don't grow some unwarranted self importance, you were top 12 in your division of like 50 people, not top 12 in all of the Silver League. That said, if putting "Hurp Durp Division, Silver League: 12" next to your name gave you some confidence and made you feel like you could succeed at the game, the division system did its job.
As for the article that was linked, half of what's written is sensationalist bullshit. It's a shame that people who don't follow StarCraft II close enough (Or even though that do but are looking for something to bitch about) will grab their pitchforks anyway.
EDIT: In other news, Hydralisks are now snazzy dancers, in addition to ruthless killing machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0
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I didn't said i feel successful at this game, just wanted to share placement. I hadn't plyed starcraft in two years, i've just back into it, into SC2.
Im looking forward for opinions of beta
If you were a D player in StarCraft 1, no matter how long ago that was, there's no excuse for placing anything lower that Platinum League. If you were D+ or above, there's no excuse for placing lower than Diamond League. The majority of the playerbase is so hilariously awful at the game (At this point in time, of course) that it's pretty hard to do otherwise.
And you should feel sucessful! You're 12th in your 50-60 man division! That's an accomplishment! Good for you!
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Never were in any Iccup etc, never got ranked so far anywhere. Just wanted to say where i am, not to scream o guys im so high. People in leagues are pretty random same with match system, random people. Im casual at SC2, which means noob even big. There are only few good players, rest is hyping.
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I'm not trying to put you down for the league you got placed in. I'm just trying to make you aware that when you say things like "I'm disapointed that there are few builds for each race" or "SC2 feels easier than SC1", your opinion doesn't count for much.
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| FACEBUTT wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 07:48 |
Oh, ive misunderstood. Yes i known my opinions in these directions doesn't matter really. However i've had read a lot about SC2 from tl and got some more knowledge.
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When it comes to Brood War, TL is a wonderful, intelligent, analytic source of good solid information. When it comes to SC2, they're a bunch of immature whining crybabies that expect instant gratification and perfection from a game that hasn't been released yet and that they've been playing for free. I'm not saying don't trust TL, but I'm saying take anything written in the StarCraft 2 section with a grain of salt.
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| Ralph wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 00:57 |
man dover you sure are cocky about being good at the nerdiest game of all time
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I'm actually pretty bad. I'm just a hell of a lot better than these clowns who think they're good. >:[
And to be fair, StarCraft is a mainstream as hell, and a lot less nerdy than a game with a hundred or so players remaining at most. Like, oh, Renegade?
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