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Why do people hate big business? [message #367128] Mon, 12 January 2009 23:02 Go to next message
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Microsoft is one of the biggest things in the world, and tons of people hate it long with windows

EA games is a big gaming company and many people hate them

and other ones I have heard I cannot remember

why is this so?
Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367130 is a reply to message #367128] Mon, 12 January 2009 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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people hate big business because they have small penises

it's a proven fact


actually when shit gets too big it gets more cliche and mainstream and a lot of people find that boring and shitty

some people listen to indie music which i think sucks ass but to them it's great because it's not what everyone else is listening to

also big things make people feel small and they either feel threatened by them or get jealous of them because they cannot compete

all that or i actually know nothing at all
but at least the first part is true


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367131 is a reply to message #367128] Mon, 12 January 2009 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like EA and semi-like Microsoft. (Maybe if they didn't charge me double the amount for Xbox live and then continue to charge me until I bought another month...)

However, as said above, especially in the gaming industry, the more companies you control, the more fans you have to please, and thus the more generic "everyone gets what they want" kind of games come out.

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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367141 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't mind people hating them but they need to be consequent and not use any objects/services they make then. That includes not pirating them, of course.

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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367150 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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people don't like microsoft, or more-over, Windows because they're dumb and can't work computers.

people don't like EA because of R315r4z0r's second point
Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367153 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 02:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Big companies most likely think:
"We have our name, we have our fame, we can release whatever we want for the price we ask, people will buy it."

Also, sometimes they even force their own creations into their releases. Microsoft inherits their own browser IE7 in Vista, they inherit Media Player etc. Though Winamp is proven to be better than WMP and Firefox is better than IE7.

They're just a big bunch of jackasses which are only out on MONEY.
Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367154 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have no issues with Microsoft, their products are generally of a high quality and fairly stable. Their Visual Studio line of products in particular are very impressive and I have yet to find any other IDE which rivals it in terms of integration and usability.

Most of Microsofts products are let down by third party code, particularly their operating systems. Vista in particular is plagued with buggy or non existant driver support from hardware manufacturers, and often gets the blame for things which are not actually it's fault, such as poorly written drivers and applications. People are too quick to lay the blame at Microsofts door because it happens to be the most obvious target to blame.



As for EA, I object to their treatment of the C&C franchise and their continued efforts to completely and utterly destroy everything it once stood for. However their other games are often very good (even if, sadly too often, heavily laden with DRM) and I have no intention of boycotting their entire product portfolio.


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367167 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 06:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alot of big busineses revolve around making profit.
As far as I know one of the reasons why EA brough out
Westwood and other companies was in order to increase
its profiting potential.

I used to work for Morrisons when I did A levels.
There was alot of things wrong with the place but
they were not willing to do anything about it due
to the fact that they would be spending more money.
Since the Business(system) was already working they
felt they need not spend their profits so they could
be the most profitable supermarket in the UK.

I have no problem with Microsoft, I think their products
and customer service are satisfying.

So the point im trying to make is that alot of big businesses
have the aim to make profit and that they are so willing to
do this to the point that hurting peoples feelings or ruining
something else is not an issue that should be addressed.
ie EA buying out Westwood and Taking C&C away from them.


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367182 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Their monopol abuse sucks alot, Microsoft is the best example.

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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367183 is a reply to message #367182] Tue, 13 January 2009 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cAmpa wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 09:30

Their monopol abuse sucks alot, Microsoft is the best example.

They abuse like you and your Modrights.
Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367197 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I mostly dislike large companies because they often have little competition when they get too big, ruining innovation. And what little innovation there is, is very slow. Wheras when you have a ton of smaller companies (Rather, companies all on the same level), they all compete to create a better product. 'Tis the basis of capitalism, and it works quite well. Until the company gets TOO big, that is.

Thankfully, the nature of revolt is also in our nature, so when a company gets too big, people bash it to keep it under control, much like how alot of C&C fans bash EA. It's not exactly the best choice or the most intelligent, but it's somewhat necessary to keep EA in line. Otherwise, we'll continue getting shitty games.

As for Microsoft, I'm kind of indifferent to them. They DO have plenty of great products, and for being one of the largest companies in the world, they have a TON to manage, so I can sympathize with them not being able to please everyone. But, on the other hand, things like Vista and such have little to no excuse to have been released.


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danpaul88 wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 03:37





As for EA, I object to their treatment of the C&C franchise and their continued efforts to completely and utterly destroy everything it once stood for.

What DID the C&C franchise stand for?
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What DID the C&C franchise stand for?

A deep and intriguing universe filled with many, many interesting aspects, aswell as unique and innovative gameplay.


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Nero wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 03:36



Also, sometimes they even force their own creations into their releases. Microsoft inherits their own browser IE7 in Vista, they inherit Media Player etc. Though Winamp is proven to be better than WMP and Firefox is better than IE7.


This makes me giggle. Why would people complain that a company released THEIR OWN PRODUCT and incorporate other parts of it WITH THERE OWN PRODUCT. Thats kind of umm... fucking obvious.
Also "proven to be better" . NO. your wrong. Which application to use is a preference, not a proven fact. I personally like WMP a lot more then winamp, and find firefox slow at opening. So, i use IE becuase it is my PREFERENCE.

But seriously who would have thought of the idea of NOT advertising your competition...yes.. big bad microsoft.


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367214 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have the people who keep going on about how Microsoft shouldn't bundle IE with Windows given any thought to how exactly they would go about downloading their browser of choice WITHOUT having an existing browser to get to said browsers website with? In that respect it's absolutely essential that Microsoft include a browser with their operating system, otherwise nobody could get online.

Personally, I use IE to go and download Firefox. That's my personal preference. But if it wasn't available to me, how on earth would I get Firefox in the first place? One thing I would like is the ability to easily UNinstall it later on mind you.

I don't hear anyone complaining about Apple bundling Safari with their operating system.


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mǻdrãçķz wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 16:34

cAmpa wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 09:30

Their monopol abuse sucks alot, Microsoft is the best example.

They abuse like you and your Modrights.


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367227 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The best reason I can think of is that, when a company reaches a certain critical mass, it no longer needs to ask its customers what they want... instead, it begins telling its customers what they want. Smaller businesses depend more heavily on the good graces of their customers, and are thus more strongly compelled to provide quality services in order to retain those customers. Big business knows that it can do just about whatever it damn well pleases and, unless it gets really unlucky, enough people will buy the product anyway because it is cheaper or more widely known.

I don't *really* hate the business for being what it is; I hate the customers for not being smart or motivated enough to force it to change. I strongly dislike certain companies, but in the end they're really just looking out for their own skins. The customers are responsible for creating an environment in which parasitic, unethical businesses may thrive and grow rather than dying on the vine.


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367255 is a reply to message #367128] Tue, 13 January 2009 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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People are to dumb and/or ignorant to think on their own. Look at all the vista haters. Every one of them is a mindless twat who jumped on the band wagon.

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Windows does have its problems, but I don't *hate* Microsoft for it. I think Microsoft is doing a fairly good job, if it were Sony in their place instead, my operating system probably would not last for longer than a week.

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luv2pb wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 19:09

People are to dumb and/or ignorant to think on their own. Look at all the vista haters. Every one of them is a mindless twat who jumped on the band wagon.


EXACTLY!

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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367266 is a reply to message #367153] Tue, 13 January 2009 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nero wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 03:36

Big companies most likely think:
"We have our name, we have our fame, we can release whatever we want for the price we ask, people will buy it."

Also, sometimes they even force their own creations into their releases. Microsoft inherits their own browser IE7 in Vista, they inherit Media Player etc. Though Winamp is proven to be better than WMP and Firefox is better than IE7.

They're just a big bunch of jackasses which are only out on MONEY.

They do that because it's standard. You can't really expect them to not include any browser with Vista, because that would make it a lot more difficult for people to access websites. FireFox isn't their product, and it's probably illegal in some way for Vista to use it as a standard.

Same goes for Windows Media Player. It's standard on Windows. Also, you can't really "prove" that one product is better than another, that's just too biased. Just because you happen to prefer those things over Vista's standard programs, doesn't mean it's wrong for them to be using these products.


What most of everyone else here is saying pretty much sums it up. Large companies yearns to please everyone, so they have to pretty much desperately try and release things that makes everyone happy, which never really works.
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Nero wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 03:36

Big companies most likely think:
"We have our name, we have our fame, we can release whatever we want for the price we ask, people will buy it."

Also, sometimes they even force their own creations into their releases. Microsoft inherits their own browser IE7 in Vista, they inherit Media Player etc. Though Winamp is proven to be better than WMP and Firefox is better than IE7.


That's like complaining to McDonalds that they don't serve Burger King... or buying a Sony TV, and expecting it to come with a Toshiba remote.

Nero wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 03:36


They're just a big bunch of jackasses which are only out on MONEY.


HOLY SHIT! YOU JUST WON ECONOMICS 101!!!

Of course they're out to make money... you expect them to do all the work, and then just 'give' it to you? Would YOU hold a job if your employer demanded you work for free?


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Re: Why do people hate big business? [message #367298 is a reply to message #367255] Wed, 14 January 2009 06:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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luv2pb wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 20:09

People are to dumb and/or ignorant to think on their own. Look at all the vista haters. Every one of them is a mindless twat who jumped on the band wagon.

Couldn't be that vista legitimately sucked when it first came out?


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Baker wrote on Wed, 14 January 2009 07:09

luv2pb wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 20:09

People are to dumb and/or ignorant to think on their own. Look at all the vista haters. Every one of them is a mindless twat who jumped on the band wagon.

Couldn't be that vista legitimately sucked when it first came out?


Vista worked surprisingly well at launch compared to the last major consumer operating system Microsoft released (Yes, I'm talking about XP)
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Yeah, XP was pretty damn glitchy when first released too, although the difference is that Vista still is pretty buggy. Even without the bugs, compatibility sucks, and there's too many workarounds to get stuff to work IMO.

Sadly, as I said before, the hatred and bashing of Vista is somewhat necessary, otherwise they'd probably not be working on Windows 7. Believe it or not, the bashing and such is necessary to make a better product out of a mega monopoly company.


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